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46. What is often not stated......

Sun Jan 5, 2014, 02:15 PM

Jan 2014

We hear that "evidence-based" medicine, science, research, etc., does not support this, or does not support that. What we aren't told is that this or that is not "evidence-based" because those with the money to obtain the evidence haven't bothered to test this or that.

For instance, "This cancer drug works." The reply is, "There is no evidence that that cancer drug works." What is NOT said is that no one has spent the money to test that cancer drug. Then, there follows a lambasting of the "anecdotal evidence," with a complete ignoring of the fact that anecdotes ARE evidence. They are not empirical evidence, but they ARE evidence. What anecdotes DO is give us a hint as to what we should be testing empirically, but it goes no further than that, usually. Instead, we just get "Oh, that's anecdotal."

When you control what is tested, you control the evidence. It is a stifling of research, at it's best.

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Anti-woo commentators are a bunch of smug and condescending... [View all] ChisolmTrailDem Jan 2014 OP

It's anger and frustration, not smugness. eqfan592 Jan 2014 #1

What do you know about me that causes you not to be shocked that I "fail to understand ChisolmTrailDem Jan 2014 #2

You just made this post, underscoring that you failed to understand the difference. eqfan592 Jan 2014 #9

Their anger and frustration is NO EXCUSE to bully people. Period! n/t ChisolmTrailDem Jan 2014 #11

Oh PLEASE tell me how we are bullying people? eqfan592 Jan 2014 #14

Pointing out what you believe to misguidedness is one thing, it's how that bunch ChisolmTrailDem Jan 2014 #20

I too have noticed this as well fascisthunter Jan 2014 #320

You seem to be laboring under the assumption that the woo-believers are open to counter-evidence or AtheistCrusader Jan 2014 #423

The problem is that, often, people label "woo" those things that they disagree with. Th1onein Jan 2014 #38

So someone who consistently states the scientific consensus Codeine Jan 2014 #43

If you're not basing it on science, then what exactly are you basing it on? eqfan592 Jan 2014 #63

See post #46 Th1onein Jan 2014 #81

Anecdotal "evidence" is only observation montex Jan 2014 #127

You are absolutely and completely wrong. Th1onein Jan 2014 #136

Anecdotal evidence can be the first step of the investigation. Orrex Jan 2014 #159

if there EVER a final step? hfojvt Jan 2014 #431

Final for all time? No. Orrex Jan 2014 #441

Anectdotal is not Evidence montex Jan 2014 #178

Anecdotal is evidence. Indicative only, not definitive, but evidence. Bernardo de La Paz Jan 2014 #209

Thank you! You are absolutely correct. Th1onein Jan 2014 #460

I am not going to give my name and other information on a public forum. Th1onein Jan 2014 #459

Which journal and which book? Android3.14 Jan 2014 #422

I'm not about to give my name and other information on a public forum. Th1onein Jan 2014 #458

If you are unable to confirm a claim to expertise, your assertions based on that claim have no value Android3.14 Jan 2014 #461

I think it smells a little fishy when someone requires that I post my name and other informaiton Th1onein Jan 2014 #462

Th1onein provided a link Android3.14 Jan 2014 #465

Anecdotes are stories. Many stories are bullshit. dorkulon Jan 2014 #449

And scientific evidence is often ohheckyeah Jan 2014 #171

Science is not godly perfection montex Jan 2014 #182

It's more than side effects... ohheckyeah Jan 2014 #188

Drugs can kill? Really? montex Jan 2014 #221

They can kill when taken as prescribed.... ohheckyeah Jan 2014 #222

That is still a side effect. Shivering Jemmy Jan 2014 #330

There have been drugs released to the public ohheckyeah Jan 2014 #341

That sounds like corruption in the monitoring of the process. haele Jan 2014 #316

Who here has called the scientific process wrong? Th1onein Jan 2014 #329

"it should lead us to DO the work to provide empirical evidence..." Android3.14 Jan 2014 #427

This is why you get attacked... CSStrowbridge Jan 2014 #430

I get attacked because you don't want to believe what is true. Th1onein Jan 2014 #463

Not always.... ohheckyeah Jan 2014 #172

It is their job, through the use of science--to prove their GM food is safe, before it passes FDA Chrom Jan 2014 #175

Nations don't always base their decisions on science. eqfan592 Jan 2014 #388

the US FDA is being run by former Monsanto employees Chrom Jan 2014 #444

Some countries banned stevia. Blanks Jan 2014 #442

because of the way you, and other like minded woobashers, communicate in these threads. Voice for Peace Jan 2014 #71

Lack of creative curiosity or wonder? eqfan592 Jan 2014 #390

Your word choices, tone, and general attitude to the OP have been classic bullying. 1monster Jan 2014 #218

Going back and reading my posts, i don't think i once directly insulted the op. eqfan592 Jan 2014 #384

This message was self-deleted by its author 1monster Jan 2014 #414

the earth is flat Pharaoh Jan 2014 #433

Um, no I don't. Because "science" at one time used anecdotal evidence- Moonwalk Jan 2014 #440

The word "woo" itself is name calling and a form of bullying. pnwmom Jan 2014 #473

Seems to me that this thread HappyMe Jan 2014 #19

ChisolmTrailDem is not above criticism montex Jan 2014 #194

No, it's smugness and egotism. n/t pnwmom Jan 2014 #44

No, it really isn't. eqfan592 Jan 2014 #61

What is fascinating... montex Jan 2014 #191

I agree wholeheartedly that "everything that you oppose" is not VanillaRhapsody Jan 2014 #80

Wow you made his point...very first post. zeemike Jan 2014 #89

There's that smugness, again. Ms. Toad Jan 2014 #113

But how do you know it is working? montex Jan 2014 #226

Actually -not out of my purview at all. Ms. Toad Jan 2014 #296

If the treatments you're using have solid, peer reviewed evidence to support their viability... eqfan592 Jan 2014 #379

Because the label "woo" hasn't been used on DU Ms. Toad Jan 2014 #410

The OP is correct. Always the same people too. Why do they care so much what choices other people sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #126

Because it really *does* affect those of us who believe in actual science. eggplant Jan 2014 #173

And they can make the same argument you are making. Science is fine but we know that science sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #202

No, that's a false argument. eggplant Jan 2014 #343

excellent point passiveporcupine Jan 2014 #207

+1 hueymahl Jan 2014 #233

Huge +1. nt eqfan592 Jan 2014 #378

Because they pollute collective knowledge and wisdom montex Jan 2014 #201

I can give you links to the 'other side' also. Choosing a few devastating failures of science such sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #362

Also consider that peer review (especially in the medical sciences) appears to be broken... Pholus Jan 2014 #407

+1000 Cleita Jan 2014 #240

lol- you are exactly who this poster is talking about Chrom Jan 2014 #180

You've noticed this poster's love of GMOs as well U4ikLefty Jan 2014 #337

I don't "love" GMO foods. I simply note the misinformation spread by the anti GMO crowd. eqfan592 Jan 2014 #377

Whose "Woo" now? Katashi_itto Jan 2014 #404

Not even gonna bother with any sort of serious response. eqfan592 Jan 2014 #405

LOl!!! Cool! As a embracer of bad science, not even Woo, you should Katashi_itto Jan 2014 #406

GMO foods has to be the ultimate example of 'woo'. And finally, thankfully, the world has awoken sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #457

Plenty of science on the safety of GMO foods. eqfan592 Jan 2014 #376

Why take this so personally? pecwae Jan 2014 #311

Because none of us live in a bubble. We are all part of a society. eqfan592 Jan 2014 #380

You do realize that mainstream pecwae Jan 2014 #383

I'm seriously tired of that line of reasoning. eqfan592 Jan 2014 #385

Frankly, pecwae Jan 2014 #386

I've got no problem with a conversation eqfan592 Jan 2014 #387

I appreciate that. nt pecwae Jan 2014 #389

No .. sendero Jan 2014 #394

No, again, it really isn't. eqfan592 Jan 2014 #395

I realldy don't argue.. sendero Jan 2014 #396

lol, what exactly do you think should be done instead of clinical trials? eqfan592 Jan 2014 #397

I think people.. sendero Jan 2014 #398

So nothing. Just what I thought eqfan592 Jan 2014 #399

I've explained my position.. sendero Jan 2014 #400

No, the fact that you think you know more than the entire scientific community is hubris. eqfan592 Jan 2014 #401

Well you certainly proved the posters point about smug, condesending 1st responders Katashi_itto Jan 2014 #403

Except that they only believe in science based medicine when it's convenient. pnwmom Jan 2014 #472

Sounds like every other discussion around here. Blue_Adept Jan 2014 #3

it is, it's very creepy notadmblnd Jan 2014 #4

I'm sitting on a forum on my phone to kill time while my baby sleeps on me. eqfan592 Jan 2014 #10

Do you think that is the only thread where these creepy people show up? notadmblnd Jan 2014 #21

Ridiculing ideas is different from ridiculing people. eqfan592 Jan 2014 #66

Seems to me the best way to convince someone that they are wrong notadmblnd Jan 2014 #94

Do you recognize the dangers of non-alternative medicine? ohheckyeah Jan 2014 #179

Would you please show me the recalled Alternative Drugs website? montex Jan 2014 #260

Often that protection ohheckyeah Jan 2014 #319

Does the Jenny McCarthy Death Count website count? Capt. Obvious Jan 2014 #419

How many times do I need to post it for you? ohheckyeah Jan 2014 #446

Are there risks to science based medicine? of course. eqfan592 Jan 2014 #375

Why do you think people turn to "woo"..... ohheckyeah Jan 2014 #448

Oh, that's not bullying or snide at all. TransitJohn Jan 2014 #52

I imagine that is was just as effective as your comment. notadmblnd Jan 2014 #112

those who dont believe in woo are creepy and lead pathetic lives? backwoodsbob Jan 2014 #95

Seriously, is that what you think I said? notadmblnd Jan 2014 #104

here is your exact quote backwoodsbob Jan 2014 #117

yet no where in that sentence is this notadmblnd Jan 2014 #121

flame bait posters are a bunch of shit stirrers who have no interest in honest debate cali Jan 2014 #5

That sounds like an accusation. Are you innocent of posting flamebait, cali? n/t ChisolmTrailDem Jan 2014 #13

because woo. dionysus Jan 2014 #6

Meta thead. Vashta Nerada Jan 2014 #7

Sounds like any gun, feminist/gender HappyMe Jan 2014 #8

Couldn't possibly agree more DisgustipatedinCA Jan 2014 #12

The results are in: Texasgal Jan 2014 #15

Juror #6 hit the nail on the head. eqfan592 Jan 2014 #18

Juror #6 is wrong. I'm not whining at all. I am merely making an observation. How you ChisolmTrailDem Jan 2014 #30

I'm glad you posted this, ChisolmTrailDem. Th1onein Jan 2014 #40

+1000000 Chrom Jan 2014 #183

Whine, whine, whine. muriel_volestrangler Jan 2014 #108

I agree with Juror #5! Cha Jan 2014 #271

You're just telling it like it is Capt. Obvious Jan 2014 #418

Yup. Juror #6 nailed it...nt SidDithers Jan 2014 #144

Thank you, jury. I figured this would be alerted because that is what the anti-woo crowd does to ChisolmTrailDem Jan 2014 #26

This forum does have an SOP that says "No whining about DU." Vashta Nerada Jan 2014 #184

Then stop whining about DU yourself, take your own advice, no? n/t ChisolmTrailDem Jan 2014 #354

I'm not the one whining. Vashta Nerada Jan 2014 #363

And your post #184 is also whining about DU. Also, you come in here months after I ChisolmTrailDem Jan 2014 #364

What are you getting pissed about? Vashta Nerada Jan 2014 #367

I'm not pissed. I merely asked you to recognize that you are whining too and that you have no ChisolmTrailDem Jan 2014 #368

My favorites are the ones who have to even disrupt in the Creative Spec forum. Gidney N Cloyd Jan 2014 #16

perhaps it might help you better understand why... mike_c Jan 2014 #17

I'm not arguing the efficacy of woo. I'm saying that those who are anti-woo, ChisolmTrailDem Jan 2014 #23

+1 progressoid Jan 2014 #24

What is often not stated...... Th1onein Jan 2014 #46

Who is controlling what is tested? Universities? Doctors? Dreaded Big Pharma? Humanist_Activist Jan 2014 #70

seriously? you think all research is equally funded and allowed? Voice for Peace Jan 2014 #86

Who would do the testing, who gives permission for it to be tested? Humanist_Activist Jan 2014 #92

I'm not saying anything is happening, I'm just questioning your assertion. Voice for Peace Jan 2014 #120

There was a documentary/news report laundry_queen Jan 2014 #413

You are confusing, as is often done, a conspiracy with a systemic problem. Th1onein Jan 2014 #97

I would agree that money and big business corrupts the approval process... Humanist_Activist Jan 2014 #106

That's laughable. How in the world am I attacking the "clinical approval process"? Th1onein Jan 2014 #125

Bingo. NOT PROFITABLE does not equate to NOT EFFECTIVE. That is an inherent bias. GoneFishin Jan 2014 #345

Absolutely, GoneFishin. Good way to put it. Th1onein Jan 2014 #347

This message was self-deleted by its author JTFrog Jan 2014 #391

I wish I could rec your subject line in this response.... mike_c Jan 2014 #123

Thank you, mike_c. Th1onein Jan 2014 #142

Exactly Th1onein! nt Edim Jan 2014 #186

Thanks. Th1onein Jan 2014 #331

good point(s) Voice for Peace Jan 2014 #88

Thank you, Voice for Peace. Th1onein Jan 2014 #100

Thank you!!!!! get the red out Jan 2014 #168

it is creepy, because there is Woo then there is real conspiracy. Whisp Jan 2014 #22

It is never good to be a total dick, but cthulu2016 Jan 2014 #25

I thought Meta was "shut down" to end posts like this etherealtruth Jan 2014 #27

With all due respect... jimlup Jan 2014 #28

Woo is pretty much anything that hasn't (yet) passed the test of science. And some of it ChisolmTrailDem Jan 2014 #35

I for one try to remain open minded jimlup Jan 2014 #145

It's difficult NOT to condescend to a person who believes Codeine Jan 2014 #29

Then trash the woo thread and move on. Simple. But to purposely bully or make fun ChisolmTrailDem Jan 2014 #32

There's not "bullying." It's a discussion board Codeine Jan 2014 #34

Wrong. I've seen with my own eyes bullying and emoticons used as a way to laugh at people. Also, ChisolmTrailDem Jan 2014 #37

yes, thank you for pointing this out Chrom Jan 2014 #193

making fun of (most) people shuts down communication. Voice for Peace Jan 2014 #93

Anyone who actually believes in homeopathy or alien crop circles Codeine Jan 2014 #98

so you feel comfortable bullying such inferiors? Voice for Peace Jan 2014 #129

I'm not bullying them. Codeine Jan 2014 #249

"Im not bullying them" darkangel218 Jan 2014 #254

Everyone on this board demeans the hateful worldviews of the righties and the homophobes. Codeine Jan 2014 #259

This message was self-deleted by its author darkangel218 Jan 2014 #263

Nevermind, its not worth it. darkangel218 Jan 2014 #269

Already read it. Codeine Jan 2014 #273

No, you failed and continue to do so, darkangel218 Jan 2014 #281

it's about fundamental respect, and effective communication. Voice for Peace Jan 2014 #360

It's people like you that get put on my ignore list. Have fun bullying others. I won't liberal_at_heart Jan 2014 #416

K. nt Codeine Jan 2014 #435

Yet all those things you have mentioned haven't been disproved either. Cleita Jan 2014 #47

Many of the people who make crop circles are well-known. Codeine Jan 2014 #56

The fact is that they don't know it isn't the weed until it's studied and as far as Cleita Jan 2014 #72

this is a subject close to my heart questionseverything Jan 2014 #115

The reason for that is non-scientists interfered, marijuana was classified as a drug with... Humanist_Activist Jan 2014 #119

the point is back then questionseverything Jan 2014 #143

Actually it wasn't considered woo, it was considered untested or unproved... Humanist_Activist Jan 2014 #150

so the gov't is the answer to your earlier question? questionseverything Jan 2014 #176

In the case of marijuana, yes, largely, though it is a outlier rather than something that is... Humanist_Activist Jan 2014 #189

you have dismissed the fact that medical mj was ever considered woo questionseverything Jan 2014 #228

But it wasn't considered woo, and the federal government is not necessarily swayed by facts... Humanist_Activist Jan 2014 #231

THIS!!!! eqfan592 Jan 2014 #382

And there was a pundit right now on MSNBC who said the medical Cleita Jan 2014 #190

sorry for your loss questionseverything Jan 2014 #241

Thank you. It happened almost a decade ago. n/t Cleita Jan 2014 #242

I am so sorry for what you and your mother went through etherealtruth Jan 2014 #289

well glad you were more informed questionseverything Jan 2014 #295

Oh I have no doubt etherealtruth Jan 2014 #297

he is the oncologist for area questionseverything Jan 2014 #303

I don't think the Fed's think cannabis is woo etherealtruth Jan 2014 #306

actually there has been a drug called Marinol made from guess what? azurnoir Jan 2014 #170

The doctor I worked for found Marinol a poor substitute with Cleita Jan 2014 #187

that may be so however Marinol has been around for nearly 20 years azurnoir Jan 2014 #200

I don't get your point. Cleita Jan 2014 #205

my point is that in some limited areas Marijuana had indeed been studied azurnoir Jan 2014 #208

You also did not exclude herbal cures from your jargon 'woo'. Which is why the word sucks. Bluenorthwest Jan 2014 #174

Sometimes a line is crossed Bradical79 Jan 2014 #339

+1000 nt geek tragedy Jan 2014 #402

Whereas the people who favour woo intaglio Jan 2014 #31

"Alternative" to what?? Are eastern meds "woo" because they don't... polichick Jan 2014 #49

No, eastern medicines are woo because there is little or no evidence to support them intaglio Jan 2014 #87

Tell that to the millions of people over several centuries who have... polichick Jan 2014 #90

Evidence for these millions? Humanist_Activist Jan 2014 #122

Here's a fun tidbit from the CIA - the U.S. ain't doing so well: polichick Jan 2014 #133

Your point? That has to do with access to health care, not quality of said care. Humanist_Activist Jan 2014 #138

The list was life expectancy but I see it's now encrypted and won't appear. polichick Jan 2014 #140

And again, that has to do with ACCESS TO HEALTH CARE. So again, your point? Humanist_Activist Jan 2014 #146

My point is that it's ethnocentric to consider Western meds superior to... polichick Jan 2014 #148

That's stupid, does the East operate on a wholly different set of physical and biological laws? Humanist_Activist Jan 2014 #153

I'm saying it's ignorant to discount other cultures' medicines. polichick Jan 2014 #161

That's why you clinically test them, and if they are effective... Humanist_Activist Jan 2014 #181

You know modern healthcare in China is predominately western medicine right? NuclearDem Jan 2014 #392

No, you tell it to the millions who have died using arsenic and lead laced Ayurvedic medicines intaglio Jan 2014 #132

East/west doesn't figure into it. Treatment is either based in science or it is not. Marr Jan 2014 #134

I didn't lump Eastern med in with woo - that was #87 polichick Jan 2014 #139

I know you didn't-- you suggested they are efficacious. Marr Jan 2014 #152

Some work, some don't - same as with Western meds. polichick Jan 2014 #163

If they can be proven to work, they're not woo. /nt Marr Jan 2014 #247

Chairman Mao: The real inventor of “traditional Chinese medicine” SidDithers Jan 2014 #158

those are interesting - thanks for the links Coexist Jan 2014 #250

ROFL - Now there's REAL quackery! bananas Jan 2014 #293

The key word there is "medicine." Scootaloo Jan 2014 #309

So, you have a right to be completely full of crap, and convince others of it? Mopar151 Jan 2014 #157

In what way does this relate to post #49? polichick Jan 2014 #166

It would be fairly clear to anyone Mopar151 Jan 2014 #177

I'm only responsible for what I post - if you have direct question... polichick Jan 2014 #212

Is it authoritarian to ask for evidence? Humanist_Activist Jan 2014 #33

See post #46 Th1onein Jan 2014 #48

+1 TroglodyteScholar Jan 2014 #64

Meta! Iggo Jan 2014 #36

People are entitled to have opinions, but not to have those foolish opinions not laughed at! on point Jan 2014 #39

I have experience on both sides of the issue Siwsan Jan 2014 #41

LOL...read about "discussion boards". They are everywhere! n-t Logical Jan 2014 #42

I know all about discussion boards. I've been on the Internet since the Compuserve/Prodigy days... ChisolmTrailDem Jan 2014 #54

Some people are superior to other people. I am superior to anyone who believes in.... Logical Jan 2014 #68

shall we bow? G_j Jan 2014 #96

The stuff I listed is not a real stretch. b-t Logical Jan 2014 #196

fundamental flaw.. you will have a rude awakening one day. Voice for Peace Jan 2014 #103

Let me know when that day gets here. I want to see an alien. n-t Logical Jan 2014 #195

we all do. but finding out you aren't superior to others has nothing to do with aliens. Voice for Peace Jan 2014 #357

Me too... SidDithers Jan 2014 #164

I agree! n-t Logical Jan 2014 #204

After all is said & done, bvar22 Jan 2014 #45

"they ARE allies and puppets of the For Profit Pharmaceutical Industry"... polichick Jan 2014 #50

Willow bark has the same properties as aspirin. Look it up. n/t Cleita Jan 2014 #51

No, it doesn't. MineralMan Jan 2014 #57

Authoritarian!!! Look at you, with your smug knowledge of chemistry! nt msanthrope Jan 2014 #65

Actually, it has to metabolize in the body first, which can give the stomach conniption fits... Humanist_Activist Jan 2014 #78

I guess I should have said similar. Semantics my dear but you can Cleita Jan 2014 #79

So I take it you enjoy getting ulcers more? Humanist_Activist Jan 2014 #109

Yes, you should have. MineralMan Jan 2014 #346

Or vice versa. Comrade Grumpy Jan 2014 #60

After WWII western pharmaceuticals were unavailable in much of Cleita Jan 2014 #62

I agree, but hueymahl Jan 2014 #298

This is what I'm talking about. Cleita Jan 2014 #317

LOL, and WOOers are puppets to any quack out there. n-t Logical Jan 2014 #53

You said it best, bvar22! Th1onein Jan 2014 #55

As opposed to your equally rude behavior? Codeine Jan 2014 #58

lol, bingo. eqfan592 Jan 2014 #69

It's the "big meany" argument. Iggo Jan 2014 #75

Shame on you for that ridiculous caricature of the situation. Orrex Jan 2014 #101

I stand corrected. Iggo Jan 2014 #110

I don't know... ScreamingMeemie Jan 2014 #76

Is the alternative medicine and supplemental industry non-profit all of the sudden? Humanist_Activist Jan 2014 #83

Amazing to see a thirty BILLION dollar/year industry so beloved and defended etherealtruth Jan 2014 #107

I know, I don't get it, I do wonder how many of them are owned, either partially or wholly, by... Humanist_Activist Jan 2014 #114

I think the largest manufactureres of mulit-vits are subsidiaries of large pharma etherealtruth Jan 2014 #128

Herballife IS Amway Mopar151 Jan 2014 #162

Chewing willow bark also destroys the lining of your stomach, intaglio Jan 2014 #340

And you have the research published in a credible... bvar22 Jan 2014 #468

Why should you never take old asprin especially if it smells of vinegar intaglio Jan 2014 #469

Then your answer is NO. You have NO Scientific Research that supports YOUR claim that bvar22 Jan 2014 #470

OK chew willow bark, don't blame me or the educators who teach the truth intaglio Jan 2014 #471

Big Pharma is abusive, yes, but it doesn't invalidate centuries of western medicine. NuclearDem Jan 2014 #393

my thoughts exactly KT2000 Jan 2014 #59

I defer to Richard P. Feynman Gore1FL Jan 2014 #67

They are definitely taunting, authoritarian types.... villager Jan 2014 #73

Do you have the same opinion of the anti-gun posters? nt ZombieHorde Jan 2014 #74

We have the obligation to contradict bad information. Bad health advice is dangerous. LeftyMom Jan 2014 #77

^^That. Orrex Jan 2014 #82

And the woo-peddler would never have owned up to being at fault. Codeine Jan 2014 #84

I agree but sometimes when all else fails, it doesn't hurt. Cleita Jan 2014 #91

Please cite an example of Woo becoming mainstream science montex Jan 2014 #211

Omg!!! not long ago if you sugested that stomach ulcers were caused by bacteria darkangel218 Jan 2014 #216

Here's how it works... montex Jan 2014 #235

That was exactly my point!! darkangel218 Jan 2014 #244

+1 lunasun Jan 2014 #374

My dad died in 1972. Exercise was then considered inflammatory Cleita Jan 2014 #224

Twenty years ago was 1994 montex Jan 2014 #268

You came up with twenty years ago figure regarding my dad. Cleita Jan 2014 #315

I'm glad your mom is okay. HappyMe Jan 2014 #99

There aren't in many states and that should change. Cleita Jan 2014 #322

Claims that aren't backed up by science deserve nothing less. NuclearDem Jan 2014 #85

They need to be scrutinized by scientific method before they Cleita Jan 2014 #102

Woo is dangerous. Marr Jan 2014 #105

Oh, I agree. But treating those who promote potentially dangerous woo badly is not the way ChisolmTrailDem Jan 2014 #130

Honestly, I think derision is about the best option. Marr Jan 2014 #149

Marijuana was called woo. DeSwiss Jan 2014 #167

Trepanation was called efficacious. Marr Jan 2014 #246

Yes, that would have been your boys who did that sort of nonsense. DeSwiss Jan 2014 #252

Medieval pseudoscientists and modern day quacks are "my boys"? Marr Jan 2014 #261

Actually, no they're not. DeSwiss Jan 2014 #280

Not by any scientific standard. Marijuana was demonized because powerful people wanted it to be. NuclearDem Jan 2014 #251

Yes, I know. DeSwiss Jan 2014 #255

this guy says mj was never considered woo questionseverything Jan 2014 #266

I have no idea who ''this guy'' is. DeSwiss Jan 2014 #294

he was just a guy i have been debating on this thread questionseverything Jan 2014 #299

Welcome to DU. Its not just woo. Religion, gun control groups do it too. marble falls Jan 2014 #111

What is Woo? montex Jan 2014 #116

Having gone through the trusty Merck Manual Turbineguy Jan 2014 #118

Science is not there to make you happy montex Jan 2014 #131

What balance? You have one side(science) that admits it doesn't know everything... Humanist_Activist Jan 2014 #141

This is really a sad statement, made in ignorance. Th1onein Jan 2014 #160

Your issue is not with science montex Jan 2014 #214

My issue, as you can see by my replies in this thread, is with anti-woo rants and ranters. Th1onein Jan 2014 #325

Can you give an example of such a compound? n/t Humanist_Activist Jan 2014 #239

Glutathione is one example. Th1onein Jan 2014 #318

Uhm, both chemicals you mentioned are used, widely in some cases, to treat a variety of ailments... Humanist_Activist Jan 2014 #324

Glutathione is not a prescription medication. Th1onein Jan 2014 #326

Glutathione is an enzyme already present in our bodies, and direct absorption of it through pills... Humanist_Activist Jan 2014 #338

You really have no idea what you're talking about. Th1onein Jan 2014 #342

Actually, I just read Wikipedia, if its wrong, go ahead and correct it. n/t Humanist_Activist Jan 2014 #344

Wikipedia is not a real good source. But I'm glad you admit where you got your info from. Th1onein Jan 2014 #348

Actually, its me who is wrong, its a tripeptide, a synthesis of some amino acids, its one of those.. Humanist_Activist Jan 2014 #350

I don't have time to do much more than to quickly scan it. Th1onein Jan 2014 #351

A few will claim this topic is a bunch of woo. Spitfire of ATJ Jan 2014 #124

What is woo? RandySF Jan 2014 #135

Woo proponents deserve everything they get... SidDithers Jan 2014 #137

It's obfuscation. They are mentally pointing at themselves saying, 'I know everything and I refuse Lint Head Jan 2014 #147

Please back up and reverse that, its the alternative medicine people who claim to know everything... Humanist_Activist Jan 2014 #155

Exactly. DeSwiss Jan 2014 #236

I'm not 100% against alternative medicine RandySF Jan 2014 #151

Is It Just Me? Or Is the Term "Woo" Itself Smug and Condescending? Leith Jan 2014 #154

Woo is just a simplified label montex Jan 2014 #217

Very smug. easttexaslefty Jan 2014 #370

Yes, very belittling Tumbulu Jan 2014 #475

The big tent is tailor-made to ''exclude'' certain kinds of people. DeSwiss Jan 2014 #156

Wow, we hate science now? Starry Messenger Jan 2014 #165

speaking as someone with no attachment to either woo or so-called skeptics, paulkienitz Jan 2014 #169

academically speaking it's done to strip context MisterP Jan 2014 #185

I completely agree with you, OP. darkangel218 Jan 2014 #192

Interesting Capt. Obvious Jan 2014 #420

Woo's on first? Tierra_y_Libertad Jan 2014 #197

There was a time in history when the notion of Earth being round was woo darkangel218 Jan 2014 #198

Yes, and during that time, Woo ruled - early scientists were trying to dispel woo. hueymahl Jan 2014 #285

Its besides the point who killed who. darkangel218 Jan 2014 #287

It is exactly the point who killed who hueymahl Jan 2014 #301

K&R quinnox Jan 2014 #199

LOL, Science is hard! n-t Logical Jan 2014 #203

Being open minded is not anti science. darkangel218 Jan 2014 #210

Open minded is thinking aliens might exist.... Logical Jan 2014 #219

Why is it woo? darkangel218 Jan 2014 #230

You understand that the person making the outlandish claim is the one who needs the proof?...... Logical Jan 2014 #238

Oh, outlandish claim. darkangel218 Jan 2014 #248

Send me your best current evidence that aliens have visited earth. I will read it. n-t Logical Jan 2014 #257

Did you even read my post? darkangel218 Jan 2014 #258

Let me make it simple..... Logical Jan 2014 #267

Im not an expert on aliens, but some people regard such things darkangel218 Jan 2014 #278

Link to mainstream scientific paper that say aliens might have visited! nt Logical Jan 2014 #302

Just a quick google search darkangel218 Jan 2014 #305

That is not aliens visiting earth. It is probes. And plenty here.... Logical Jan 2014 #312

Alien probes. darkangel218 Jan 2014 #327

Proof is not speculating. Proof is finding one of the probes. No one has. So as of now.... Logical Jan 2014 #328

Those are not speculations, those are conclusions darkangel218 Jan 2014 #332

No, they are not. But I give up. n-t Logical Jan 2014 #333

All scientific studies follow a scientific method. darkangel218 Jan 2014 #335

Indeed 2naSalit Jan 2014 #206

... Cha Jan 2014 #264

Apparently that's 2naSalit Jan 2014 #274

Yeah, I don't get into these Cha Jan 2014 #291

Indeed. 2naSalit Jan 2014 #300

Of course! I remember.. Cha Jan 2014 #313

According to 2naSalit Jan 2014 #314

Backatcha.. Cha Jan 2014 #323

I do not know what posts you are referring to... LeftishBrit Jan 2014 #213

Ah yes.... CanSocDem Jan 2014 #334

Authoritarians are insufferable assholes whatchamacallit Jan 2014 #215

So are people who call everyone they disagree with "authoritarians". zappaman Jan 2014 #227

Yes, yes they are. quinnox Jan 2014 #245

Four chapters of a book I studied in Northwestern grad school on the pharmacology of hallucinogens ancianita Jan 2014 #220

Unfortunately, the medical establishment did not act on these studies Cleita Jan 2014 #237

Exactly. And many who do know are labelled woo because the tyrannical parameters of 'official' ancianita Jan 2014 #270

Who bent your spoon? Get over yourself. mr blur Jan 2014 #223

I have a feeling thats the attitude the OP was reffering to. darkangel218 Jan 2014 #234

Scientific Materialist Totalitarian Poo Flingers (R) have a weird woo fetish Berlum Jan 2014 #225

+1 n/t whatchamacallit Jan 2014 #232

Ad Hominem Attack montex Jan 2014 #277

Fail? Reality is Fail? paleotn Jan 2014 #286

No one is attacking reality. darkangel218 Jan 2014 #290

Huh? I didn't say anyone... paleotn Jan 2014 #308

Kick. Rec. IdaBriggs Jan 2014 #229

it is a middle of the road crowd in many ways . Not so many progressives on many topics lunasun Jan 2014 #243

Yep, and I take almost none of them seriously. Teens, mostly, closeupready Jan 2014 #253

Yes, creationists and climate change deniers have similar reactions when confronted by real science WatermelonRat Jan 2014 #256

^^This! montex Jan 2014 #272

+1-- My god, that's a good point. Marr Jan 2014 #276

"The important thing is not to stop questioning. Curiosity has its own reason for existing." G_j Jan 2014 #262

+1million darkangel218 Jan 2014 #265

Totally with this. Long live woo. ancianita Jan 2014 #275

No, they are doing a service and saving people's lives. alarimer Jan 2014 #279

Thanks for the insults, alarimer. darkangel218 Jan 2014 #284

Where do you see any evidence that I "beleive that stuff"? Links please. n/t ChisolmTrailDem Jan 2014 #359

God is not scientifically verified therefore for those who believe in God are idiots. Got it. n/t ChisolmTrailDem Jan 2014 #361

It's what you get on DU--anyplace, really--when you disagree with people. Igel Jan 2014 #282

I don't engage in woo posts at all BainsBane Jan 2014 #283

First time I can ever recall agreeing with you. Codeine Jan 2014 #288

Yes, and Christians are being.... paleotn Jan 2014 #292

That must be very difficult for you. Scootaloo Jan 2014 #304

And OP proves right again. darkangel218 Jan 2014 #307

No problem. Scootaloo Jan 2014 #310

How much lower than this can you get? darkangel218 Jan 2014 #321

At least I'm not turning blue from argyria Scootaloo Jan 2014 #353

You attacked me because of my screen name. darkangel218 Jan 2014 #355

I did what, now? Scootaloo Jan 2014 #365

Keep your insults and excuses going. darkangel218 Jan 2014 #366

And hopefully someday you'll read a book not written by Deepak Chopra Scootaloo Jan 2014 #369

Youre in a dark place. I wish you well and light. darkangel218 Jan 2014 #371

No, you know who is in a dark place? snooper2 Jan 2014 #411

... NutmegYankee Jan 2014 #358

I think it is you who needs a hug. n/t ChisolmTrailDem Jan 2014 #356

Maybe they're psychic? Digit Jan 2014 #336

I don't usually respond to these threads Marrah_G Jan 2014 #349

They are arrogant n/t easttexaslefty Jan 2014 #352

Sorry that you feel threatened by those who know more than you. Deep13 Jan 2014 #372

I am sorry that you are incapable of reading the entire thread but think you know everything anyway. ChisolmTrailDem Jan 2014 #373

Woo That Some Should Consider cantbeserious Jan 2014 #381

Woo Cant Be Serious? hueymahl Jan 2014 #425

Very Serious cantbeserious Jan 2014 #436

Forums are about discussion Shankapotomus Jan 2014 #408

Yes forums are about discussion justiceischeap Jan 2014 #466

Because I don't have to entertain the idea the sun rises in the west.... ProudToBeBlueInRhody Jan 2014 #409

Are they the same people who pile on, deriding, marginalizing and mocking ALL religious beliefs Common Sense Party Jan 2014 #412

Pitching Woo Glassunion Jan 2014 #415

Your anger suggests that you are suppressing something(s) Capt. Obvious Jan 2014 #417

ROFL!!! ChisolmTrailDem Jan 2014 #426

Yo, I was paged to this thread. AtheistCrusader Jan 2014 #421

Is the alarm like the bat signal? Kaleva Jan 2014 #474

I, personally, am a big fan of Louis Wu. tclambert Jan 2014 #424

Seriously? fleabiscuit Jan 2014 #428

The medical establishment is very, very authoritarian tavalon Jan 2014 #429

Do you have any scientific evidence for your claim? cvoogt Jan 2014 #432

I just put them on ignore Pharaoh Jan 2014 #434

Hello, CTD....not intrested if fight..but.... abakan Jan 2014 #437

Good post, abakan. Welcome to DU! n/t ChisolmTrailDem Jan 2014 #438

I can only speak for myself naturallyselected Jan 2014 #439

Great Post hueymahl Jan 2014 #445

Scientific research is often manipulated, or suppressed CrawlingChaos Jan 2014 #464

you would think if they are confident in their 'facts' they wouldn't need to act like bullies Chrom Jan 2014 #443

Interesting that you say that CrawlingChaos Jan 2014 #452

I've noticed the same thing as you laundry_queen Jan 2014 #467

Hmm, that's funny, I heard that quantum mechanics was pretty woo-ish. Waiting For Everyman Jan 2014 #447

agreed Chisolm Puzzledtraveller Jan 2014 #450

Creationists get offended when mean evil evolutionists poke holes in their crap as well. NuclearDem Jan 2014 #451

And vice versa egduj Jan 2014 #453

Except those on the side of evolution don't complain about a massive conspiracy to keep them down. NuclearDem Jan 2014 #454

There is no kind way to tell someone they're wrong. dorkulon Jan 2014 #455

Boo-hoo. n/t Ian David Jan 2014 #456