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LuvNewcastle

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38. I think it all comes down to this.
Sun Jan 5, 2014, 03:24 PM
Jan 2014

Some people have an ailment and they've either tried going to a doctor or they can't afford going to a doctor so they try one of these cures. Some will feel better after they go (and 'feeling better' really can't be measured) and they tell a friend and the friend goes to see the acupuncturist or chiropractor or whatever.

People have been trying all these things for a very long time and stories pass by word of mouth about the effectiveness of these various cures. A lot of these people are thoroughly convinced that they're being helped, because they keep spending money to go back to these practitioners.

How can you or I tell these people that they aren't being helped and they need to quit wasting their money when they tell us that they feel 10x better than they felt before and they can do all the things they couldn't before? We can't, because they firmly believe they are cured, or at least they're much better, and if they perceive that they're better, then that perception = reality.

This is actually a discussion about what's real and what isn't. You don't want to believe people are being helped unless you have a study that tells you they are. I'll take their word for it, because reality is essentially what we believe to be true.

I think we're at an impasse here. Studies are well and good to help us understand the world, but they don't explain everything, especially when it comes to perceptions. Just because a study can't explain it doesn't necessarily mean it doesn't work. It might be an indication of that, but it doesn't determine it. Sometimes we have to look deeper.

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*fingers crossed for you* In_The_Wind Jan 2014 #1
Thank you In_The_Wind! ScreamingMeemie Jan 2014 #5
You deserve only the best my friend. May this year bring you happiness. In_The_Wind Jan 2014 #12
surely you don't mean to suggest that necessity... mike_c Jan 2014 #2
...desperation dear...desperation... ScreamingMeemie Jan 2014 #4
Some people think that if an event can't be explained by the criteria they apply, LuvNewcastle Jan 2014 #3
smh. more magical thinking. eqfan592 Jan 2014 #6
I'm saying some things turn reason on its head. LuvNewcastle Jan 2014 #11
did you just compare quantum theory to alternative "medice?" seriously? nt eqfan592 Jan 2014 #15
"Quantum" is now the go-to bullshit phrase for the pseudo-science crowd. Codeine Jan 2014 #18
No, I'm not a physicist or anything close to it, but I've read a few books about it. LuvNewcastle Jan 2014 #22
It was less about your post Codeine Jan 2014 #24
Why not? LuvNewcastle Jan 2014 #19
Oh, it's "apparent" that some cures work? eqfan592 Jan 2014 #20
I've known people who have tried alternative medicine for certain problems LuvNewcastle Jan 2014 #25
UNTIL a study has been done on it, i see little reason to believe it does. eqfan592 Jan 2014 #27
I'm all for studies. I don't know why more studies haven't been done on some of these things. LuvNewcastle Jan 2014 #29
Actually, they CAN in fact all be wrong. eqfan592 Jan 2014 #30
I think it all comes down to this. LuvNewcastle Jan 2014 #38
It would be nice if that was actually true. Ms. Toad Jan 2014 #45
They already know that herbs are science. They just try to come in and make trouble. loudsue Jan 2014 #9
I usually do ignore them; I don't know why I've even read some of these threads. LuvNewcastle Jan 2014 #14
the only "saboteurs" are those that promote non-science based medicine. eqfan592 Jan 2014 #16
Desperation sucks etherealtruth Jan 2014 #7
It sure does ShazzieB Jan 2014 #21
Welcome to DU! etherealtruth Jan 2014 #23
K and R bigwillq Jan 2014 #8
I guess the placebo effect customerserviceguy Jan 2014 #10
I went without health insurance for the last year and I didn't buy into woo. Vashta Nerada Jan 2014 #13
My physician wouldn't see me without an up ScreamingMeemie Jan 2014 #31
My doctor visits campus and it only costs $20 to see him. Vashta Nerada Jan 2014 #33
It is. ScreamingMeemie Jan 2014 #34
I'm glad you got your insurance card. Vashta Nerada Jan 2014 #36
Good luck! Make sure they treat you nice. ScreamingMeemie Jan 2014 #42
Well, don't feel bad.... Berlin Expat Jan 2014 #43
Best thoughts for your better treatment and good health! LeftishBrit Jan 2014 #17
I hope you receive the treatment you need. nt ZombieHorde Jan 2014 #26
Sorry, but BULLSHIT. Science didn't demand you pay up front - Capitalism did. progressoid Jan 2014 #28
Science. Sorry. ScreamingMeemie Jan 2014 #32
Congratulations. n-t Logical Jan 2014 #35
This. n/t jtuck004 Jan 2014 #37
You are right, ScreamingMeemie. Raine1967 Jan 2014 #39
My wife is a Wooist, and I support her. Courtesy Flush Jan 2014 #40
One more thing Courtesy Flush Jan 2014 #41
My friend with MS libodem Jan 2014 #44
Well, woo supplemented by careful habits is not "bad" if there isn't much of an issue to begin with. haele Jan 2014 #46
As always... Behind the Aegis Jan 2014 #47
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