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In reply to the discussion: Man Over pays Child Support, And visits his son too much, Sentenced to 180 Days in Jail [View all]Major Nikon
(36,925 posts)245. How progressive of you
You seem to be making a convoluted case for this law by stating that women are child abusers, and that would not happen if more men had shared custody.
Kindly back that up.
Kindly back that up.
That's not the case I am making. In fact, I specifically said if the gender roles were reversed I thought the statistics would be reversed. Please read what I write more carefully.
What I am saying is that the primary caregiver is not always the best parent and that kids are served best by equal parenting because both parents have distinct contributions to offer the child.
If you want evidence of this, you can start with what the APA said on the subject:
Best Interest of the Child Standard
The research that included child adjustment criteria concerning the study of joint custody will be used relevant to this issue. The two studies with the best methodology (Buchanan, Maccoby,&Dombush, 199 1; Burnett, 199 1) indicated that joint custody versus sole maternal custody was associated with adolescents positive adjustment. This finding was replicated for children by Abarbanel(l979). Greif (1979), and Luepnitz (1986) but not Johnston, Kline & Tschann (1989) and Kline, Tschann, Johnston & Wallerstein (1989). It is concluded that the present research supports joint custody for facilitating childrens adjustment. The above conclusion is supported by the more generalized research with optimal methodology concerning childrens divorce adjustment. Several studies found that increased and reliable visitation by the noncustodial parent (usually the father) predicted positive adjustment of children (e.g. Guidubaldi, Cleminshaw, Perry
& Nastasi, 1984; Hetherington, Cox & Cox, 1982; and Wallerstein & Kelly, 1980).
...
Conclusions
The research reviewed supports the conclusion that joint custody is associated with certain favorable outcomes for children including father involvement, best interest of the child for adjustment outcomes, child support, reduced relitigation costs, and sometimes reduced parental conflict. Kelly (1994) recommended joint custody for increasing the access of both parents which has consistently been shown to promote positive adjustment of children. Kelly (1994) also noted
that misinterpretation of research conclusions could be due to political distortion as reflected by the following statement:
The current practice of feminist writers and fathers rights groups to use a particular research finding to bolster a political or gender-linked point of view while ignoring other data makes it difficult for legislators, judges, attorneys or parents to obtain a balanced, informed view. (p. 128)
It is hoped that this report provides the Commission with a balanced and informed view based on the empirical research evidence. The need for improved policy to reduce the present adversarial approach that has resulted in primarily sole maternal custody, limited father involvement and maladjustment of both children and parents is critical. Increased mediation, joint custody and parent education are supported for this policy. Comprehensive research on these topics with
effective methodology is also critically needed.
American Psychological Association. (1995). Preliminary summary: Empirical Research Describing Outcomes of Joint Custody.
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Man Over pays Child Support, And visits his son too much, Sentenced to 180 Days in Jail [View all]
Heather MC
Jan 2014
OP
I have never understood why two people that claimed to have loved each other dearly
bluestate10
Jan 2014
#2
Do you work for free? Or are you upset you had to pay for the problems you helped create?
last1standing
Jan 2014
#32
Yes there are a few & we know who they are (talking in terms of local bars)
WolverineDG
Jan 2014
#192
LOL. Anything to keep from having to take responsibility for your own problems.
last1standing
Jan 2014
#228
"Nobody said anything about anyone giving anything away." Isn't that what you wrote?
last1standing
Jan 2014
#244
Wow... we used a "family law" attorney when my husband adopted our daughter...
ScreamingMeemie
Jan 2014
#39
You know most family law attorneys would be happy just to charge a flat fee
WolverineDG
Jan 2014
#191
Yup, my lawyer did the same to me, charged me full hours when split his actual time with several ..
Darkhawk32
Jan 2014
#108
Fraudulent billing is standard & customary practice in the legal profession.
Egalitarian Thug
Jan 2014
#133
Which has nothing at all to do with the point made. Want to try again? n/t
Egalitarian Thug
Jan 2014
#169
I had my lawyer call me, keep me on the phone for an hour and sent me a bill for $200.
Darkhawk32
Jan 2014
#152
Yes, they could be "working". No way to verify anything really. Just "trust me".
Darkhawk32
Jan 2014
#172
Even better, you can simply claim to have been thinking about a case and bill it.
Egalitarian Thug
Jan 2014
#171
So in order to "play the game" you feel I must subject myself to fraudulent billing?
Darkhawk32
Jan 2014
#209
I think lawyers charge exorbitant fees. Not that they have to work for free.
Darkhawk32
Jan 2014
#109
Where does it say that he "overpays his child support and visits his son too much"?
Sheldon Cooper
Jan 2014
#3
I used to work with somebody who couldn't get the State of California off his back
Sen. Walter Sobchak
Jan 2014
#31
I have been a member of the DU "racist hetero patriarchy" for some time
Sen. Walter Sobchak
Jan 2014
#98
As a divorced dad it's my experience that child "support" systems often start with the assumption
villager
Jan 2014
#36
Yes, it's severely scary for fathers out there. The system is just itching to screw them!
Darkhawk32
Jan 2014
#50
Actually, non-custodial parents of either gender. For a time my ex had custody of my child
GreenEyedLefty
Jan 2014
#142
"Judge Millard tells Fox 26 after she found Hall in contempt he walked out of the courtroom"
Gravitycollapse
Jan 2014
#8
Yes, but he gets paystubs and he knows that he has a child support obligation.
LeftyMom
Jan 2014
#22
I have a friend at work that overpaid by around $6000 because of HER not reporting income!
Darkhawk32
Jan 2014
#51
Yes, but if the change was not made previously because of the receiving parent's fraud,
Darkhawk32
Jan 2014
#174
Oh no, I meant to send the check to the CSPA (or local equivalent) NOT to the custodial parent.
LeftyMom
Jan 2014
#55
Also, if he was showing up fore visits (unscheduled) when he shouldn't be that is an issue itself.
boston bean
Jan 2014
#123
What bothers me is that he is being threatened with jail. Throw him in jail and it ruins
madinmaryland
Jan 2014
#27
I personally don't mind the payroll deduction. It ensures I know it is paid and that there are ...
Darkhawk32
Jan 2014
#49
This exposes the fact that in the family court system, men are treated like garbage.
Darkhawk32
Jan 2014
#33
The feeling you get as a dad in the system is that "all are guilty," axiomatically
villager
Jan 2014
#40
Do you feel threatened by the notion of a man wanting equal rights to his children and...
Darkhawk32
Jan 2014
#46
Reread your post! You accused women of driving men away and exploiting them for money.
LeftyMom
Jan 2014
#60
You said she's on welfare. They don't give that out to people who are living well.
LeftyMom
Jan 2014
#88
She barely works, she gets $500+ a month on food stamps, my money, tax money (yes EIC included),
Darkhawk32
Jan 2014
#97
Her not doing well is her CHOICE. She knows she doesn't HAVE to work because ...
Darkhawk32
Jan 2014
#115
I know everybody has stories. We should all be working for a system that doesn't create these
Darkhawk32
Jan 2014
#175
Because she gets to claim them because the judge says she gets to claim them.
Darkhawk32
Jan 2014
#151
Exactly. Men fighting that system in order to become an equal parent under the law shows...
Darkhawk32
Jan 2014
#77
When it really comes down to it. A lot of mothers (not all) really don't want the fathers around.
Darkhawk32
Jan 2014
#80
So the experiences we have as fathers of being treated a certain way by the system...
villager
Jan 2014
#81
So he's part of the system. If he doesn't see there's a bias, then he's lying.
Darkhawk32
Jan 2014
#61
When joint custody is not the default arrangement, the system will always favor women
Major Nikon
Jan 2014
#93
So a man that did the right thing and supported his family BEFORE the divorce,
Darkhawk32
Jan 2014
#106
So you're saying that men who worked before the divorce aren't equal parents
Darkhawk32
Jan 2014
#114
First, you've assumed that the father just isn't normally capable of being an equal parent
Darkhawk32
Jan 2014
#116
I didn't misquote you at all. If the father worked, the mother should have the upper hand.
Darkhawk32
Jan 2014
#118
Again I never said if the Father works the Mother should have the upper hand.
newcriminal
Jan 2014
#121
Joint physical should not be the default because it does not adequately address the needs of the
msanthrope
Jan 2014
#183
But when you change the default, you but an unreasonable burden on the primary caregiver,
msanthrope
Jan 2014
#189
First, a default that does not take into account the well-being of the child is patently
msanthrope
Jan 2014
#202
Custodial orders don't even happen unless the parents can't work them out on their own
Major Nikon
Jan 2014
#220
I think you haven't read the law you are touting. And if you have read it, you haven't
msanthrope
Jan 2014
#229
Equal parenting is not always in the best interests of the child. Sorry....but it's not. You are
msanthrope
Jan 2014
#234
Anecdotal evidence is shit and you either already know it or should know it
Major Nikon
Jan 2014
#237
I didn't give you anecdotal evidence. I gave you valid hypos which underscore the bad law you tout.
msanthrope
Jan 2014
#238
You are the one advocating for a change in law, it is you who must provide proof that
msanthrope
Jan 2014
#240
You are using a 20-year old study to justify precisely, what? What I am not understanding
msanthrope
Jan 2014
#247
I'm not disagreeing with you that shared parenting is a good thing when it is in the best interests
msanthrope
Jan 2014
#249
The ones that want to participate in their child's life. The ones that don't mind paying a
Darkhawk32
Jan 2014
#101
He'll lose. He admits there was an arrearage and he is responsible for that. Further
msanthrope
Jan 2014
#186
Carefully reading between the lines, this person was screwing around with the support and
msanthrope
Jan 2014
#187