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stopbush

(24,810 posts)
Mon Jan 6, 2014, 01:23 PM Jan 2014

So Where Do We Draw The Line On Extended Unemployment Insurance, And Why? [View all]

As one of the 99ers who has exhausted their Fed unemployment extensions, I have a question to ask: what is the proper length of time for extending benefits, and why?

I ask, because it seems to me that any kind of cut-off for ending such benefits is arbitrary. If you make the argument that an unemployed person needed those benefits at week 26 or week 55 or week 99 to provide them with a lifeline (and - as the argument goes -to give them the resources to look for work), then how do you make the argument that they no longer need the benefit at week 100 or 120 or 150?

If the argument is, "well, they can't go on forever," or, "99 weeks is plenty of time to find a job, so it must be the person's fault that they can't find work," or, "well, that's just the way it is," then what's wrong with making the same arguments to limit the length of benefits to, say, 26 weeks?

What about workers who have paid into unemployment for decades without using it, compared to people who have gone on and off unemployment many times over the decades? Aren't those people who didn't use it entitled to a little consideration when it comes to the 99 week cut-off (BTW - I'm not one of those people)?

The fact is that the longer one is out of work, the less likely it is they will be hired because employers look down on such people. That has nothing to do with the person themselves and everything to do with a perception on the part of the employer. Yet, those people are cut-off from that lifeline at a date certain, even though the job market and economic conditions haven't gotten better, for them or many others.

On the one hand, being for any kind of cut-off date sorta puts you in the "cutting off benefits will get them off their lazy asses to find a job, and pronto" claque. Thinking that "we simply can't afford it" is a purely political position.

Are we as a nation moving in a direction where we accept that a not-insignificant number of our fellow citizens being tossed to the wolves is just fine, while an elite subset of people see their assets grow beyond the hopes of rampant avarice?

Any thoughts?

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When this Congress JustAnotherGen Jan 2014 #1
Some government work programs would be good, but we shouldn't make jobs for the sake of making jobs. reformist2 Jan 2014 #9
Why is it better to get nothing in return... Lost_Count Jan 2014 #12
Amen JustAnotherGen Jan 2014 #17
I'd go the next step... Lost_Count Jan 2014 #19
In total agreement JustAnotherGen Jan 2014 #23
I'm not talking about jobs for the sake of jobs JustAnotherGen Jan 2014 #16
The people BobUp Jan 2014 #2
Actually it is the employer who pays, amount depends somewhat on the number of claims Thinkingabout Jan 2014 #3
The retraining/go back to school thingee is just another sham/scam when it comes to finding work. stopbush Jan 2014 #5
In the State of Texas the employer only pays on the first $9000 and to the Federal it is the Thinkingabout Jan 2014 #15
The employer pays into the unemployment fund, not the employee. We agree on that. But I don't politicaljunkie41910 Jan 2014 #29
You're overlooking the mandate from the government that employers pay into UI. stopbush Jan 2014 #32
Actually I'm an accountant so I understand how the process works. politicaljunkie41910 Jan 2014 #33
The company pays for uninsurance taxes, not the employee MiniMe Jan 2014 #4
See my post #5 stopbush Jan 2014 #6
That's why employers will fight unemployment claims madville Jan 2014 #11
Extended unemployment ought to be "permanentized" into basic income, a human right. reformist2 Jan 2014 #7
You know, I really think that would make the country a much better place. LisaLynne Jan 2014 #8
Indeed. My favorite part of the basic income is that it gives the would-be worker bargaining power. reformist2 Jan 2014 #10
LOL snooper2 Jan 2014 #14
Tough call. Somewhere above subsistence but below the median, obviously. reformist2 Jan 2014 #21
My take on it: The Straight Story Jan 2014 #13
Companies who fire/lay off a lot of workers already pay more into UI funds stopbush Jan 2014 #31
Link it to some state-wide average unemployment rate. After a base time limit. randome Jan 2014 #18
Are there no prisons? Are there no work houses? They should die and decrease the... Drew Richards Jan 2014 #20
Should be indexed to unemployment and participation rates. TheKentuckian Jan 2014 #22
I would agree... kentuck Jan 2014 #25
The programs udbcrzy2 Jan 2014 #24
When the economy for the middle class is fixed? uponit7771 Jan 2014 #26
The UI program MissMillie Jan 2014 #27
I only collected unemployment benifits only once ($30) and at the time you could only collect for demosincebirth Jan 2014 #28
When we drop Social Security access to age 55 and 401K/Pension access to 50. haele Jan 2014 #30
When the unemployment rate reaches a level considered satisfactory, ProgressSaves Jan 2014 #34
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