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hunter

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42. The AMA is not a "trade union." That's bullshit.
Mon Jan 6, 2014, 01:33 PM
Jan 2014

The AMA is more like the American Automobile Association. Does the AAA regulate the number of automobile workers trained? Does it negotiate auto worker salaries?



The facts are new physicians face brutal working conditions, salaries inadequate to pay huge student debts, etc., etc. Primary care residency slots are often filled by foreign trained physicians who must pass very difficult exams. And doctors who do make those "median" salaries often quit their jobs for other work or dissuade their own children from the profession in the rare case their own kids are not already saying "OMG! I'm never doing that!"

The situation is similar to that of teachers in rough communities. My wife and I met as Los Angeles school teachers. We were making pretty good money for young school teachers. People here might wonder why we quit and moved away when my wife was accepted to an out of state graduate school.

For me every day of teaching felt like falling into an avalanche of raw humanity. I was supposed to be teaching science, something I'm well qualified for, but that was the smallest part of the job. There were kids who couldn't read, kids who wouldn't turn anything in, kids who couldn't be motivated to write their names on a scantron quiz much less complete it, kids who were discipline problems, and then, if I managed to wrangle in a parent for a conference, hearing of home situations that explained it all.

After school I'd complete the useless administrative paperwork, grade papers, sweep my classroom floor... simply to decompress enough that I could face the freeway traffic well enough to drive home safely. Checking out of school I'd sometimes see substitute teachers breaking down in tears, never to return again.

Honestly, the only people who survive working conditions like that are the saints, the sadists, the masochists, or the dead-to-the-world zombies. We've all had teachers like those and in rough communities the difficulties are amplified. I'm no saint and I didn't want to turn into the other sorts of teacher. I found myself becoming increasingly authoritarian and I hated that.

In many places primary care medicine is much like that, but with dead babies and actively bleeding abuse victims, drug addicts, alcoholics, etc., etc.. Or else it's "assembly-line" except when something unusual comes up, and then it's losing money and wasting time arguing with knobs trained to say "NO" sitting in the cubicles of some insurance company.

Medicine in the U.S.A. is fubar but it's not because of the AMA or the supply of primary care physicians. Mostly it's a problem of Big Money corrupting our political process. The insurance companies, the hospital corporations, the pharmaceutical industry, giant corporations that don't want small businesses to be competitive in the job market, those are the real devils here.


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ACA - bandaid for a sucking chest wound KG Jan 2014 #1
+1 xchrom Jan 2014 #2
Informative. k&r for exposure. n/t Laelth Jan 2014 #3
If you're looking for trouble frazzled Jan 2014 #4
As I've noted on this topic before though... Shandris Jan 2014 #5
I'm not understanding your comment frazzled Jan 2014 #6
I'm going to go on the assumption you don't live among the people I've described. Shandris Jan 2014 #8
No, I still don't understand frazzled Jan 2014 #9
Yes, preventative for chronic was what I was... Shandris Jan 2014 #10
As those of us that actually pay attention to what is actually happening already know, Egalitarian Thug Jan 2014 #7
The AMA has always controlled the supply of doctors underpants Jan 2014 #11
I'll say it again... hunter Jan 2014 #18
I second that. The AMA has nothing to do with it. mainer Jan 2014 #24
Not to mention a lot of med students don't want to be Primary Care Physicians. TheMightyFavog Jan 2014 #38
Someone who gets it ^^^ sendero Jan 2014 #12
see my post #18 above. hunter Jan 2014 #19
You confuse MDs with doctors. Igel Jan 2014 #13
That is correct. Medicare pays for, and regulates, residency spots. Barack_America Jan 2014 #16
That's interesting - enlightenment Jan 2014 #30
Easy fix.... Bigmack Jan 2014 #14
It's pointless to threaten the AMA, it's a strawman. hunter Jan 2014 #21
It already exists Glitterati Jan 2014 #32
I love that relative... and her ideals...nt Bigmack Jan 2014 #35
Thanks, so do we! Glitterati Jan 2014 #41
We have a shortage of *practicing* physicians. Barack_America Jan 2014 #15
Another non-practicing MD here. mainer Jan 2014 #25
Am I wrong that part of the problem is .... Bigmack Jan 2014 #36
I agree with you that use of EDs is something a lot of previously uninsured knew and therefore CTyankee Jan 2014 #29
I don't know that two years is an appropriate timeframe to study this. lumberjack_jeff Jan 2014 #17
The AMA regulates salaries? Which are SO GREAT that I quit! mainer Jan 2014 #27
"barely making it"? lumberjack_jeff Jan 2014 #31
The AMA is not a "trade union." That's bullshit. hunter Jan 2014 #42
Show me a poor doctor and I'll show you a country NOT the U. S. of A. WinkyDink Jan 2014 #34
Get them go for the preventive care treestar Jan 2014 #20
From the OP article: ProSense Jan 2014 #22
Doctor shortage in US is based on most problems in US....greed. nt kelliekat44 Jan 2014 #23
Chris Hayes reported on this late last week. winter is coming Jan 2014 #26
Do we actually have a doctor shortage or is this like "America's STEM shortage"? winter is coming Jan 2014 #28
I don't see enough evidence. gulliver Jan 2014 #33
There's not a "doctor shortage", there's an entirely deliberate medical school bottleneck Recursion Jan 2014 #37
No, it's not. hunter Jan 2014 #43
General medicine should be socialized TlcJobCoach Jan 2014 #39
And another thing TlcJobCoach Jan 2014 #40
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