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In reply to the discussion: yup, we need a brutal strongman type back in charge in Iraq [View all]pampango
(24,692 posts)45. "People living in repressive regimes mostly want elections because they want someone on their side
in charge."
Depending on what you mean by "on their side" I could agree with that. Heck, when I vote I want to elect someone who is on "my side" (meaning liberal) rather than a conservative.
Of course, people living under a repressive regime might also see democracy as a way out of a society where the secret police visit in the middle of the night to enforce the 'brutal dictator's' position in the country.
And, of course, it is an interesting coincidence that a belief that Muslims don't really know what democracy is works very well with a policy that we should not be concerned with human and democratic rights in their countries.
Muslim countries never had an Enlightenment. Us Westerners did. ... These Enlightenment ideas - all men being equal and all that - are not really represented in the minds of most of the Muslim middle east. Family, then tribe then co-religionists then country.
That is a pretty negative view of Muslims. They are unenlightened. Don't view all men (and women) as equal (regardless of any polling results). Don't confuse the policies of the ruling elite or the violent fundamentalists with what everyday people believe.
We should be looking after our interests and let them live their lives.
From the poll below, that is exactly what most Muslims think is the US policy - look after our own interests (largely oil, in most countries) and put democratic right on the back burner - or off the stove altogether.



http://www.pewglobal.org/2012/07/10/most-muslims-want-democracy-personal-freedoms-and-islam-in-political-life/
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UK and France developed (with the consent of Russia) the Sykes-Picot Accord during the closing days
LanternWaste
Jan 2014
#11
Gee, I can't remember (but surely Lindsey Graham and John McCain were strongly opposed to it)!
11 Bravo
Jan 2014
#25
how's about we donate dick cheney to the cause...we could throw in liz as a bonus
spanone
Jan 2014
#8
Liberals used to criticize US foreign policy for supporting brutal dictators who could
pampango
Jan 2014
#13
Very true. Of course everyone claiming to be liberal while spreading RW talking points
FSogol
Jan 2014
#15
Of course not. Not promoting brutal dictators is not the same as promoting invasion.
pampango
Jan 2014
#24
I don't think that their idea of democracy is the same as our idea of democracy
AngryAmish
Jan 2014
#27
"People living in repressive regimes mostly want elections because they want someone on their side
pampango
Jan 2014
#45
Oh come on, Cali, don't you know that all brown skinned people live in tribal societies?
geek tragedy
Jan 2014
#32
Your op is an ugly illustration of a mindset that has no business on a liberal website.
cali
Jan 2014
#30
It does not matter what "WE" need in Iraq the people of IRAQ have to work it out.
Vincardog
Jan 2014
#51