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pampango

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45. "People living in repressive regimes mostly want elections because they want someone on their side
Mon Jan 6, 2014, 03:59 PM
Jan 2014

in charge."

Depending on what you mean by "on their side" I could agree with that. Heck, when I vote I want to elect someone who is on "my side" (meaning liberal) rather than a conservative.

Of course, people living under a repressive regime might also see democracy as a way out of a society where the secret police visit in the middle of the night to enforce the 'brutal dictator's' position in the country.

And, of course, it is an interesting coincidence that a belief that Muslims don't really know what democracy is works very well with a policy that we should not be concerned with human and democratic rights in their countries.

Muslim countries never had an Enlightenment. Us Westerners did. ... These Enlightenment ideas - all men being equal and all that - are not really represented in the minds of most of the Muslim middle east. Family, then tribe then co-religionists then country.

That is a pretty negative view of Muslims. They are unenlightened. Don't view all men (and women) as equal (regardless of any polling results). Don't confuse the policies of the ruling elite or the violent fundamentalists with what everyday people believe.

We should be looking after our interests and let them live their lives.

From the poll below, that is exactly what most Muslims think is the US policy - look after our own interests (largely oil, in most countries) and put democratic right on the back burner - or off the stove altogether.



http://www.pewglobal.org/2012/07/10/most-muslims-want-democracy-personal-freedoms-and-islam-in-political-life/

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We should have never interfered. Laelth Jan 2014 #1
We probably shoulda never invented that country in the first place n/t arcane1 Jan 2014 #2
Who came up with that idea anyways? DetlefK Jan 2014 #4
UK and France developed (with the consent of Russia) the Sykes-Picot Accord during the closing days LanternWaste Jan 2014 #11
Gee, I can't remember (but surely Lindsey Graham and John McCain were strongly opposed to it)! 11 Bravo Jan 2014 #25
That war was beyond wrong get the red out Jan 2014 #3
everyone could see an invasion would unleash hell politicman Jan 2014 #7
During reagan/bush1 years Saddam was our friend madokie Jan 2014 #5
Imagine a 100000 size font of FUCKING DUH! L0oniX Jan 2014 #6
how's about we donate dick cheney to the cause...we could throw in liz as a bonus spanone Jan 2014 #8
That works for me! City Lights Jan 2014 #50
Intervention is wrong, and so is advocating dictatorships. nt geek tragedy Jan 2014 #9
As a Desert Storm vet I agree, a ruthless bastard is needed. Katashi_itto Jan 2014 #10
who is "we"? cali Jan 2014 #12
Best question. truebluegreen Jan 2014 #31
Liberals used to criticize US foreign policy for supporting brutal dictators who could pampango Jan 2014 #13
Funny gaspee Jan 2014 #14
Very true. Of course everyone claiming to be liberal while spreading RW talking points FSogol Jan 2014 #15
Then what is to be done? Invade Iraq again? AngryAmish Jan 2014 #16
Of course not. Not promoting brutal dictators is not the same as promoting invasion. pampango Jan 2014 #24
I don't think that their idea of democracy is the same as our idea of democracy AngryAmish Jan 2014 #27
"People living in repressive regimes mostly want elections because they want someone on their side pampango Jan 2014 #45
"Liberals"/"Some liberals"? It's an OP by one person. CJCRANE Jan 2014 #19
Exactly, it is one man's opinion. I never claimed to speak for all liberals quinnox Jan 2014 #20
so who is the "we" you referred to? do tell. cali Jan 2014 #33
Here's the problem as I see it. snot Jan 2014 #17
Good post quinnox Jan 2014 #21
Reagan and Rumsfeld were right? ProSense Jan 2014 #18
What you're trying to do is compare a mind set of a westernized culture firsttimer Jan 2014 #22
No, I'm not, ProSense Jan 2014 #23
Then what are you doing? firsttimer Jan 2014 #26
Is ProSense Jan 2014 #28
What happened is you had no point or a solution to begin with... firsttimer Jan 2014 #36
Hey, ProSense Jan 2014 #39
Afghanistan and Iraq are VERY different countries from a cultural perspective cali Jan 2014 #29
Oh come on, Cali, don't you know that all brown skinned people live in tribal societies? geek tragedy Jan 2014 #32
there's something truly appalling about the op? advocating brutal dictatorship cali Jan 2014 #34
jury voted 2-4 to keep, btw geek tragedy Jan 2014 #35
. firsttimer Jan 2014 #37
Link ProSense Jan 2014 #40
No, what's different is the terrain firsttimer Jan 2014 #38
"Iraqis are more educated but the mind set of a tribe is there." ProSense Jan 2014 #41
No , I'm asking you for what you think the solution should be.. firsttimer Jan 2014 #42
No, ProSense Jan 2014 #43
I agree but they haven't been able to achieve that. firsttimer Jan 2014 #46
IRaq is probably more like the United States than Afghanistan JI7 Jan 2014 #48
Your op is an ugly illustration of a mindset that has no business on a liberal website. cali Jan 2014 #30
+1 demmiblue Jan 2014 #44
Do you care to offer CFLDem Jan 2014 #47
He hated religion and kept it out of his government. A somewhat smart dictator. Rex Jan 2014 #49
It does not matter what "WE" need in Iraq the people of IRAQ have to work it out. Vincardog Jan 2014 #51
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