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10. keep reading the article

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Mon Jan 6, 2014, 08:08 PM

Jan 2014

he might be charged

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MMA fighter fends off four attackers, killing one during home invasion [View all] Liberal_in_LA Jan 2014 OP

FYI - calling ahead usually a really bad idea. Vinnie From Indy Jan 2014 #1

lol CatWoman Jan 2014 #20

Especially when the person you're calling is trained to fight. mythology Jan 2014 #27

I would be surprised if any of them had read much of anything. Adam051188 Jan 2014 #64

Yeah, Ranchemp. Jan 2014 #29

Hey, they were nice guys, just misunderstood! delta17 Jan 2014 #146

The MMA fighter should be charged with murder firsttimer Jan 2014 #2

. sarisataka Jan 2014 #3

. Glassunion Jan 2014 #5

Yummy sarisataka Jan 2014 #9

Interesting, revealing thread. But I don't dare say a thing, so I'll join you: freshwest Jan 2014 #108

Still going on... sarisataka Jan 2014 #133

Oh, goodie. I didn't see anything new this morning and was dissapointed. I'll get some tea. n/t freshwest Jan 2014 #144

You should read the article. Glassunion Jan 2014 #4

I did read it , the MMA fighter was looking for a fight firsttimer Jan 2014 #8

Why should he have to leave his own home? Ranchemp. Jan 2014 #18

If you had truly read the article, like you claim, Ranchemp. Jan 2014 #24

. Incitatus Jan 2014 #45

. Incitatus Jan 2014 #48

And here I was holding out that you actually weren't being serious Kurska Jan 2014 #122

Jeez... zappaman Jan 2014 #6

You could have avoided this embarrassment if you had read the article. nt stevenleser Jan 2014 #7

keep reading the article firsttimer Jan 2014 #10

That has nothing to do with your incorrect assertion. He wasnt fighting to protect stuff stevenleser Jan 2014 #11

Im' sorry...I didn't know you were the investigator in the case firsttimer Jan 2014 #13

He wasn't beaten to death, Ranchemp. Jan 2014 #26

I'm sure that's a comfort to the murdered mans family and loved ones firsttimer Jan 2014 #30

Those 4 thugs shouldn't have invaded his home, Ranchemp. Jan 2014 #33

I see you like using that term thug to describe the young man murdered firsttimer Jan 2014 #36

You're right, he wasn't a thug, Ranchemp. Jan 2014 #42

I do not support killing a human being when there are other options firsttimer Jan 2014 #50

And how do you know he didn't call the police? Ranchemp. Jan 2014 #53

It would be in the article if he dialed 911 , and you know it would firsttimer Jan 2014 #55

Not always. Ranchemp. Jan 2014 #57

It would be in the court documents AND it most certainly would be in the article by the attorney firsttimer Jan 2014 #67

What court documents? Ranchemp. Jan 2014 #71

The attorney is giving a play by play firsttimer Jan 2014 #77

You said court docs. Ranchemp. Jan 2014 #79

No I said it would be in the court documents firsttimer Jan 2014 #80

right qazplm Jan 2014 #81

Quite often (read: virtually always), I find these kinds of comments from people... Shandris Jan 2014 #82

No, they were rabid animals. CBGLuthier Jan 2014 #111

You've never been in a real fight have you. Katashi_itto Jan 2014 #152

I don't know why you would ask me a question like that firsttimer Jan 2014 #155

A fight where your opponents are actively trying to kill you. Katashi_itto Jan 2014 #158

Sadly.... go west young man Jan 2014 #153

You cannot be serious. Mojo Electro Jan 2014 #160

Not a thug. Incorrect, he's a dead thug. Katashi_itto Jan 2014 #151

You're right, Ranchemp. Jan 2014 #161

Yeah I didnt see much loss there either Katashi_itto Jan 2014 #163

This thread is not going well for you! :-) nt Logical Jan 2014 #47

I could join in the celebration of a young man's murder firsttimer Jan 2014 #54

You would rather the family be terrorized. I get it. n-t Logical Jan 2014 #58

Definition of Thug Glassunion Jan 2014 #129

So hell lets just kill all of them firsttimer Jan 2014 #131

Calling someone a Thug, is a far cry from a call to kill them all. You're exaggerating. Glassunion Jan 2014 #134

You do know that many of them never even had a single mom at home that cared firsttimer Jan 2014 #136

Not sure what your point is. Glassunion Jan 2014 #138

And this statement from you is not right... firsttimer Jan 2014 #137

Context is your friend. Glassunion Jan 2014 #139

I wasn't cherry picking firsttimer Jan 2014 #140

I don't care about the 4 men in particular. Glassunion Jan 2014 #142

I can only go by what you wrote firsttimer Jan 2014 #143

The next 4 violent criminals this happens to. Guess what? Glassunion Jan 2014 #145

That wasn't the statement we are talking about firsttimer Jan 2014 #147

Ha. Glassunion Jan 2014 #149

No it's not firsttimer Jan 2014 #150

Yes, yes it is. Glassunion Jan 2014 #159

Well if you are in a situation like that, and I doubt you ever will be. You can appeal to their Katashi_itto Jan 2014 #164

None of that matters.......they are all rabid animals to be scorned and shot down FrodosPet Jan 2014 #162

Is it be a better comfort to have a murderous gangster for a son? Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2014 #35

Did it say the murdered man had been convicted of murder at some point in his life? firsttimer Jan 2014 #41

Why do you keep on saying murdered? Ranchemp. Jan 2014 #46

Notice how he challenges me on pre-judging the deceased but he makes no qualms Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2014 #51

Yep, and it's crystal clear he has no knowledge of the law. Ranchemp. Jan 2014 #56

He does have an established violent criminal history and he didn't go for tea and biscuits. Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2014 #49

If someone calls and tells me they're coming to hurt my family... DisgustipatedinCA Jan 2014 #72

+1000. eom Ranchemp. Jan 2014 #78

For the record DisgustipatedinCA Jan 2014 #86

I too, would use whatever was at hand to defend myself and family, Ranchemp. Jan 2014 #87

How about his life pokerfan Jan 2014 #12

He knew they were coming but he choose to stay and fight firsttimer Jan 2014 #14

and return when? pokerfan Jan 2014 #28

There are many options other than waiting to kill another human being firsttimer Jan 2014 #43

The home invaders had options as well pokerfan Jan 2014 #68

This message was self-deleted by its author pokerfan Jan 2014 #65

And spent their life running in fear of them coming back? Boudica the Lyoness Jan 2014 #74

You're forgetting something Shankapotomus Jan 2014 #100

just for you, i'm glad he took one out to give the other 3 a lesson. dionysus Jan 2014 #103

I suspect that this is a troll, but... Demo_Chris Jan 2014 #15

I don't think applauding a young man beaten to death by a trained MMA firsttimer Jan 2014 #19

I was responding specifically to your "nothing you own" comment... Demo_Chris Jan 2014 #31

Like someone already pointed out, nobody was beaten to death. Captain Stern Jan 2014 #34

"The fighter and his family had another option" Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2014 #39

How do you know they wouldn't have been cornered in a car? NutmegYankee Jan 2014 #59

its absolutely to be supported qazplm Jan 2014 #83

If you keep this up, some will conclude you are a troll. I am not saying you geek tragedy Jan 2014 #85

Yeah genius firsttimer Jan 2014 #90

Mobile homes have 2 doors. Some smaller travel trailers don't, but mobile homes, even single wides uppityperson Jan 2014 #94

I dont remember the ones where I grew up having back doors--they were also about half that size. geek tragedy Jan 2014 #95

Smaller travel trailers may not, but if they are big enough for a bed and kitchen, they do. I've uppityperson Jan 2014 #97

the tiny ass 1970s trailer i grew up in had 2 doors. thats from 4 decades ago. dionysus Jan 2014 #101

yup, the ones i've been in has second door in kitchen. makes sense for fire safety Liberal_in_LA Jan 2014 #135

At worst, it's a mutual combat situation. Mopar151 Jan 2014 #99

Did you forget this? Ranchemp. Jan 2014 #16

According to the article: avebury Jan 2014 #17

huh? CatWoman Jan 2014 #21

Don't break into peoples houses. People are killed in home invasions. n-t Logical Jan 2014 #23

Maybe his families safety was worth fighting for. Packerowner740 Jan 2014 #25

In general, your home is seen as a refuge of last resort. NutmegYankee Jan 2014 #32

Aka, the Castle Doctorine... Lancero Jan 2014 #37

No stand your ground is different than castle doctrine. NutmegYankee Jan 2014 #40

Not really... Lancero Jan 2014 #44

But an expansion from an existing concept isn't actually that concept - it's a new concept NutmegYankee Jan 2014 #52

In general yes... Lancero Jan 2014 #62

We don't know if he called 911, Ranchemp. Jan 2014 #66

We don't know what shortly after is either Lancero Jan 2014 #73

True, Ranchemp. Jan 2014 #75

Except you now put yourself at further risk. NutmegYankee Jan 2014 #76

Depending on where you hide... Lancero Jan 2014 #88

The Sandy Hook reference is a ridiculous appeal to emotion fallacy. NutmegYankee Jan 2014 #92

Precedent has often held the opposite. NutmegYankee Jan 2014 #70

Interesting pokerfan Jan 2014 #106

silly H2O Man Jan 2014 #105

Me thinks you should study up on what being a Democrat, or better yet, being a Liberal really means. RC Jan 2014 #107

There are a number of things worth killing another human over snooper2 Jan 2014 #112

Patently absurd. You're welcome to suicide by invader but have no right to demand others do the same TheKentuckian Jan 2014 #126

Oh really? dbackjon Jan 2014 #156

Maybe he couldn't get out the front door. Travis_0004 Jan 2014 #157

This is about 40 miles from my house Packerowner740 Jan 2014 #22

I would like to know more about the 'fued'. Jenoch Jan 2014 #38

dumbasses got what they deserved Niceguy1 Jan 2014 #60

"Torrez could face charges in the death of Sal Garces". New Mexico isn't a stand your ground state. Taitertots Jan 2014 #61

SYG isn't a factor here, Ranchemp. Jan 2014 #69

You are correct, but I don't think New Mexico is a castle doctrine state either Taitertots Jan 2014 #84

That makes no sense to me. immoderate Jan 2014 #96

You are technically correct but ... spin Jan 2014 #109

NM has no duty to retreat, so same difference nt geek tragedy Jan 2014 #89

Correct. Ranchemp. Jan 2014 #91

only hitch is if this was some kind of set up--he and the other thugs conspired to kill the one thug geek tragedy Jan 2014 #93

probably. a crappy pro _____ usually is exponents better than the best amateur ______ dionysus Jan 2014 #104

Don't do the crime don't suffer the cosequences boomer55 Jan 2014 #63

+1 CFLDem Jan 2014 #110

Well, liberal softy me got the jury duty on this one... Eleanors38 Jan 2014 #98

That's a damn shame. Only one of them dead. flvegan Jan 2014 #102

Frankly I'm a little disappointed everyone is so quick to judge jerkstore90210 Jan 2014 #113

He wasn't the only witness, Ranchemp. Jan 2014 #114

Again, you are assuming he was attacked jerkstore90210 Jan 2014 #115

The police seem pretty sure he was attacked in his own home. Ranchemp. Jan 2014 #116

Police sided with Zimmerman at first, too. jerkstore90210 Jan 2014 #117

You don't think the police would be able to determine if his home were invaded? Ranchemp. Jan 2014 #118

I do not have much confidence in the investigatory skills of the police. jerkstore90210 Jan 2014 #120

I've got plenty of skills in investigations Ranchemp. Jan 2014 #121

I'm quite sure you do. jerkstore90210 Jan 2014 #123

It's not officer, it's Deputy U.S. Marshal. Ranchemp. Jan 2014 #125

A story for those who say you shouldn't "blame the victim"... n/t hughee99 Jan 2014 #119

He should have used a gun instead Capt. Obvious Jan 2014 #124

I'm curious to know what the "ongoing feud" was about.... Blue_Tires Jan 2014 #127

Torrez is not being labeled a thug most likely because he does not have a criminal history beyond a Glassunion Jan 2014 #130

ok...thanks.... Blue_Tires Jan 2014 #132

because they their records include violent crimes and his doesn't nt geek tragedy Jan 2014 #141

Message auto-removed Name removed Jan 2014 #128

Sweet Boom Sound 416 Jan 2014 #148

I guess they wern't expecting him to go all Jackie Chan on their asses. notadmblnd Jan 2014 #154