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Nuclear Unicorn

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39. "The fighter and his family had another option"

Mon Jan 6, 2014, 09:03 PM

Jan 2014

So did the dead man and his three criminal cohorts but only one of the parties had the legal and moral right to be in that home that night.

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MMA fighter fends off four attackers, killing one during home invasion [View all] Liberal_in_LA Jan 2014 OP

FYI - calling ahead usually a really bad idea. Vinnie From Indy Jan 2014 #1

lol CatWoman Jan 2014 #20

Especially when the person you're calling is trained to fight. mythology Jan 2014 #27

I would be surprised if any of them had read much of anything. Adam051188 Jan 2014 #64

Yeah, Ranchemp. Jan 2014 #29

Hey, they were nice guys, just misunderstood! delta17 Jan 2014 #146

The MMA fighter should be charged with murder firsttimer Jan 2014 #2

. sarisataka Jan 2014 #3

. Glassunion Jan 2014 #5

Yummy sarisataka Jan 2014 #9

Interesting, revealing thread. But I don't dare say a thing, so I'll join you: freshwest Jan 2014 #108

Still going on... sarisataka Jan 2014 #133

Oh, goodie. I didn't see anything new this morning and was dissapointed. I'll get some tea. n/t freshwest Jan 2014 #144

You should read the article. Glassunion Jan 2014 #4

I did read it , the MMA fighter was looking for a fight firsttimer Jan 2014 #8

Why should he have to leave his own home? Ranchemp. Jan 2014 #18

If you had truly read the article, like you claim, Ranchemp. Jan 2014 #24

. Incitatus Jan 2014 #45

. Incitatus Jan 2014 #48

And here I was holding out that you actually weren't being serious Kurska Jan 2014 #122

Jeez... zappaman Jan 2014 #6

You could have avoided this embarrassment if you had read the article. nt stevenleser Jan 2014 #7

keep reading the article firsttimer Jan 2014 #10

That has nothing to do with your incorrect assertion. He wasnt fighting to protect stuff stevenleser Jan 2014 #11

Im' sorry...I didn't know you were the investigator in the case firsttimer Jan 2014 #13

He wasn't beaten to death, Ranchemp. Jan 2014 #26

I'm sure that's a comfort to the murdered mans family and loved ones firsttimer Jan 2014 #30

Those 4 thugs shouldn't have invaded his home, Ranchemp. Jan 2014 #33

I see you like using that term thug to describe the young man murdered firsttimer Jan 2014 #36

You're right, he wasn't a thug, Ranchemp. Jan 2014 #42

I do not support killing a human being when there are other options firsttimer Jan 2014 #50

And how do you know he didn't call the police? Ranchemp. Jan 2014 #53

It would be in the article if he dialed 911 , and you know it would firsttimer Jan 2014 #55

Not always. Ranchemp. Jan 2014 #57

It would be in the court documents AND it most certainly would be in the article by the attorney firsttimer Jan 2014 #67

What court documents? Ranchemp. Jan 2014 #71

The attorney is giving a play by play firsttimer Jan 2014 #77

You said court docs. Ranchemp. Jan 2014 #79

No I said it would be in the court documents firsttimer Jan 2014 #80

right qazplm Jan 2014 #81

Quite often (read: virtually always), I find these kinds of comments from people... Shandris Jan 2014 #82

No, they were rabid animals. CBGLuthier Jan 2014 #111

You've never been in a real fight have you. Katashi_itto Jan 2014 #152

I don't know why you would ask me a question like that firsttimer Jan 2014 #155

A fight where your opponents are actively trying to kill you. Katashi_itto Jan 2014 #158

Sadly.... go west young man Jan 2014 #153

You cannot be serious. Mojo Electro Jan 2014 #160

Not a thug. Incorrect, he's a dead thug. Katashi_itto Jan 2014 #151

You're right, Ranchemp. Jan 2014 #161

Yeah I didnt see much loss there either Katashi_itto Jan 2014 #163

This thread is not going well for you! :-) nt Logical Jan 2014 #47

I could join in the celebration of a young man's murder firsttimer Jan 2014 #54

You would rather the family be terrorized. I get it. n-t Logical Jan 2014 #58

Definition of Thug Glassunion Jan 2014 #129

So hell lets just kill all of them firsttimer Jan 2014 #131

Calling someone a Thug, is a far cry from a call to kill them all. You're exaggerating. Glassunion Jan 2014 #134

You do know that many of them never even had a single mom at home that cared firsttimer Jan 2014 #136

Not sure what your point is. Glassunion Jan 2014 #138

And this statement from you is not right... firsttimer Jan 2014 #137

Context is your friend. Glassunion Jan 2014 #139

I wasn't cherry picking firsttimer Jan 2014 #140

I don't care about the 4 men in particular. Glassunion Jan 2014 #142

I can only go by what you wrote firsttimer Jan 2014 #143

The next 4 violent criminals this happens to. Guess what? Glassunion Jan 2014 #145

That wasn't the statement we are talking about firsttimer Jan 2014 #147

Ha. Glassunion Jan 2014 #149

No it's not firsttimer Jan 2014 #150

Yes, yes it is. Glassunion Jan 2014 #159

Well if you are in a situation like that, and I doubt you ever will be. You can appeal to their Katashi_itto Jan 2014 #164

None of that matters.......they are all rabid animals to be scorned and shot down FrodosPet Jan 2014 #162

Is it be a better comfort to have a murderous gangster for a son? Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2014 #35

Did it say the murdered man had been convicted of murder at some point in his life? firsttimer Jan 2014 #41

Why do you keep on saying murdered? Ranchemp. Jan 2014 #46

Notice how he challenges me on pre-judging the deceased but he makes no qualms Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2014 #51

Yep, and it's crystal clear he has no knowledge of the law. Ranchemp. Jan 2014 #56

He does have an established violent criminal history and he didn't go for tea and biscuits. Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2014 #49

If someone calls and tells me they're coming to hurt my family... DisgustipatedinCA Jan 2014 #72

+1000. eom Ranchemp. Jan 2014 #78

For the record DisgustipatedinCA Jan 2014 #86

I too, would use whatever was at hand to defend myself and family, Ranchemp. Jan 2014 #87

How about his life pokerfan Jan 2014 #12

He knew they were coming but he choose to stay and fight firsttimer Jan 2014 #14

and return when? pokerfan Jan 2014 #28

There are many options other than waiting to kill another human being firsttimer Jan 2014 #43

The home invaders had options as well pokerfan Jan 2014 #68

This message was self-deleted by its author pokerfan Jan 2014 #65

And spent their life running in fear of them coming back? Boudica the Lyoness Jan 2014 #74

You're forgetting something Shankapotomus Jan 2014 #100

just for you, i'm glad he took one out to give the other 3 a lesson. dionysus Jan 2014 #103

I suspect that this is a troll, but... Demo_Chris Jan 2014 #15

I don't think applauding a young man beaten to death by a trained MMA firsttimer Jan 2014 #19

I was responding specifically to your "nothing you own" comment... Demo_Chris Jan 2014 #31

Like someone already pointed out, nobody was beaten to death. Captain Stern Jan 2014 #34

"The fighter and his family had another option" Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2014 #39

How do you know they wouldn't have been cornered in a car? NutmegYankee Jan 2014 #59

its absolutely to be supported qazplm Jan 2014 #83

If you keep this up, some will conclude you are a troll. I am not saying you geek tragedy Jan 2014 #85

Yeah genius firsttimer Jan 2014 #90

Mobile homes have 2 doors. Some smaller travel trailers don't, but mobile homes, even single wides uppityperson Jan 2014 #94

I dont remember the ones where I grew up having back doors--they were also about half that size. geek tragedy Jan 2014 #95

Smaller travel trailers may not, but if they are big enough for a bed and kitchen, they do. I've uppityperson Jan 2014 #97

the tiny ass 1970s trailer i grew up in had 2 doors. thats from 4 decades ago. dionysus Jan 2014 #101

yup, the ones i've been in has second door in kitchen. makes sense for fire safety Liberal_in_LA Jan 2014 #135

At worst, it's a mutual combat situation. Mopar151 Jan 2014 #99

Did you forget this? Ranchemp. Jan 2014 #16

According to the article: avebury Jan 2014 #17

huh? CatWoman Jan 2014 #21

Don't break into peoples houses. People are killed in home invasions. n-t Logical Jan 2014 #23

Maybe his families safety was worth fighting for. Packerowner740 Jan 2014 #25

In general, your home is seen as a refuge of last resort. NutmegYankee Jan 2014 #32

Aka, the Castle Doctorine... Lancero Jan 2014 #37

No stand your ground is different than castle doctrine. NutmegYankee Jan 2014 #40

Not really... Lancero Jan 2014 #44

But an expansion from an existing concept isn't actually that concept - it's a new concept NutmegYankee Jan 2014 #52

In general yes... Lancero Jan 2014 #62

We don't know if he called 911, Ranchemp. Jan 2014 #66

We don't know what shortly after is either Lancero Jan 2014 #73

True, Ranchemp. Jan 2014 #75

Except you now put yourself at further risk. NutmegYankee Jan 2014 #76

Depending on where you hide... Lancero Jan 2014 #88

The Sandy Hook reference is a ridiculous appeal to emotion fallacy. NutmegYankee Jan 2014 #92

Precedent has often held the opposite. NutmegYankee Jan 2014 #70

Interesting pokerfan Jan 2014 #106

silly H2O Man Jan 2014 #105

Me thinks you should study up on what being a Democrat, or better yet, being a Liberal really means. RC Jan 2014 #107

There are a number of things worth killing another human over snooper2 Jan 2014 #112

Patently absurd. You're welcome to suicide by invader but have no right to demand others do the same TheKentuckian Jan 2014 #126

Oh really? dbackjon Jan 2014 #156

Maybe he couldn't get out the front door. Travis_0004 Jan 2014 #157

This is about 40 miles from my house Packerowner740 Jan 2014 #22

I would like to know more about the 'fued'. Jenoch Jan 2014 #38

dumbasses got what they deserved Niceguy1 Jan 2014 #60

"Torrez could face charges in the death of Sal Garces". New Mexico isn't a stand your ground state. Taitertots Jan 2014 #61

SYG isn't a factor here, Ranchemp. Jan 2014 #69

You are correct, but I don't think New Mexico is a castle doctrine state either Taitertots Jan 2014 #84

That makes no sense to me. immoderate Jan 2014 #96

You are technically correct but ... spin Jan 2014 #109

NM has no duty to retreat, so same difference nt geek tragedy Jan 2014 #89

Correct. Ranchemp. Jan 2014 #91

only hitch is if this was some kind of set up--he and the other thugs conspired to kill the one thug geek tragedy Jan 2014 #93

probably. a crappy pro _____ usually is exponents better than the best amateur ______ dionysus Jan 2014 #104

Don't do the crime don't suffer the cosequences boomer55 Jan 2014 #63

+1 CFLDem Jan 2014 #110

Well, liberal softy me got the jury duty on this one... Eleanors38 Jan 2014 #98

That's a damn shame. Only one of them dead. flvegan Jan 2014 #102

Frankly I'm a little disappointed everyone is so quick to judge jerkstore90210 Jan 2014 #113

He wasn't the only witness, Ranchemp. Jan 2014 #114

Again, you are assuming he was attacked jerkstore90210 Jan 2014 #115

The police seem pretty sure he was attacked in his own home. Ranchemp. Jan 2014 #116

Police sided with Zimmerman at first, too. jerkstore90210 Jan 2014 #117

You don't think the police would be able to determine if his home were invaded? Ranchemp. Jan 2014 #118

I do not have much confidence in the investigatory skills of the police. jerkstore90210 Jan 2014 #120

I've got plenty of skills in investigations Ranchemp. Jan 2014 #121

I'm quite sure you do. jerkstore90210 Jan 2014 #123

It's not officer, it's Deputy U.S. Marshal. Ranchemp. Jan 2014 #125

A story for those who say you shouldn't "blame the victim"... n/t hughee99 Jan 2014 #119

He should have used a gun instead Capt. Obvious Jan 2014 #124

I'm curious to know what the "ongoing feud" was about.... Blue_Tires Jan 2014 #127

Torrez is not being labeled a thug most likely because he does not have a criminal history beyond a Glassunion Jan 2014 #130

ok...thanks.... Blue_Tires Jan 2014 #132

because they their records include violent crimes and his doesn't nt geek tragedy Jan 2014 #141

Message auto-removed Name removed Jan 2014 #128

Sweet Boom Sound 416 Jan 2014 #148

I guess they wern't expecting him to go all Jackie Chan on their asses. notadmblnd Jan 2014 #154