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180. Science does indeed adapt to new knowledge, and absolutely science is ultimately self-correcting,

Mon Jan 6, 2014, 10:32 PM

Jan 2014

and whatever you call "woo" is a label, that you use to trash a whole lot of what can later become adaptation, new knowledge, and self-correcting.

longship, we are not that far apart, and I am glad you do realize adaptation, new knowledge and self-correcting, all means that we do not presently have all of the knowledge in the universe, my friend.

Am I saying there isn't a lot of nonsense that gets into the "woo" mix, no, there's some, but there's also a whole lotta that in what we call present day practice of medicine.

Now, quantum theory, OTOH, is the great unknown, but hey, I too am a work in progress.

Stay thirsty, my friend, for knowledge, and take care of your energy force, chi, prana, life is energy....don't waste it on trashing the unknown...it's a vast sea, that you and I may never fully understand, it does not negate or diminish the universe.

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"Woo Wars" - What is "Woo"? [View all] IdaBriggs Jan 2014 OP

Woo kills... SidDithers Jan 2014 #1

Woo also saves lives. Deal with it. IdaBriggs Jan 2014 #6

No, woo doesn't save lives... SidDithers Jan 2014 #8

You know my story, Sid. I have multiple children IdaBriggs Jan 2014 #28

"When code doesn't behave as expected, the first question is WHY?" Complete non-sense Ohio Joe Jan 2014 #35

Hint: Ever had to "program for exceptions"? IdaBriggs Jan 2014 #97

Non-sense Ohio Joe Jan 2014 #102

ROFLMAO!!! IdaBriggs Jan 2014 #122

Comparing medicine to coding makes zero sense... Not even close to the same Ohio Joe Jan 2014 #129

We disagree. "Garbage In/Garbage Out" works for computers IdaBriggs Jan 2014 #130

Again... I suggest you learn about data validation... Ohio Joe Jan 2014 #135

I certainly appreciate your attempts to educate me. IdaBriggs Jan 2014 #142

Completely bullshit. eqfan592 Jan 2014 #10

Until it hits the journals, here on DU it is "woo." IdaBriggs Jan 2014 #29

You mean until it's studied in a scientific manner it isn't science? eqfan592 Jan 2014 #56

Ah, if only we could GET it studied. IdaBriggs Jan 2014 #62

There's a lot on this thread and imay have missed it. eqfan592 Jan 2014 #68

Baby! No fair! My babies are six now (and driving me a little crazy). IdaBriggs Jan 2014 #124

Peer-review is generally how science operates. Codeine Jan 2014 #59

My only issue with "peer review" is GETTING to peer review. IdaBriggs Jan 2014 #126

Peer review is just one aspect. Warren Stupidity Jan 2014 #161

Anecdotal evidence means nothing. AlbertCat Jan 2014 #71

Tell you what - define anecdotal. IdaBriggs Jan 2014 #127

Is it okay that there is so much harmful stuff in ''medicine", enough to cause death in some cases sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #133

For that use, echinacea isn't woo bhikkhu Jan 2014 #117

If that is the definition of woo, then why do so many people pnwmom Jan 2014 #184

If it could be proven to save lives, it wouldn't be called 'woo'. AtheistCrusader Jan 2014 #50

There seems to be a small group here in DU that think that they are our saviors from woo and CT. rhett o rick Jan 2014 #136

Some are trying to, yes. Marr Jan 2014 #175

Some want to believe there is a hard and fast line between science-based rhett o rick Jan 2014 #176

in most cases...no. things like natural medicine have been proven either scientifically effective Pretzel_Warrior Jan 2014 #150

He obviously needs to have faith in something, so he's a believer pnwmom Jan 2014 #183

OK, if you trash woo threads instead of trying to decide for the rest of us what to read. nm rhett o rick Jan 2014 #34

Or, some GD Hosts could recognize that "no conspiracy theories" includes medical woo... SidDithers Jan 2014 #37

^^ This ^^ Ohio Joe Jan 2014 #51

urm, speaking of bias NJCher Jan 2014 #79

I don't see what that has to do with what I said... Ohio Joe Jan 2014 #90

Nailed it. zappaman Jan 2014 #107

... would be nice! etherealtruth Jan 2014 #53

You seem to think that your definitions and interpretations can not be questioned . rhett o rick Jan 2014 #137

Some Hosts I do respect... SidDithers Jan 2014 #143

Obviously. Why would you respect those that dont agree with. That would be too liberal. nm rhett o rick Jan 2014 #156

Not agreeing with me has nothing to do with it... SidDithers Jan 2014 #157

You seem to think that your definitions and interpretations can not be questioned rhett o rick Jan 2014 #159

No. I save my disdain for Hosts who completely abdicate their responsibility... SidDithers Jan 2014 #160

I admit that I would rather error on the side of openness and not on the side of censorship. rhett o rick Jan 2014 #168

Your memory is faulty...nt SidDithers Jan 2014 #169

The fact that Marijuana has Health Benefits was considered "WOO"... bvar22 Jan 2014 #55

What is a few years ago ...? etherealtruth Jan 2014 #60

and how many people die, or suffer permanent, debilitating side effects, from scientifically created niyad Jan 2014 #93

So does standard medicine. pnwmom Jan 2014 #119

If the 13 yr. old girl in California had gone to a state-qualified Naturopath, pnwmom Jan 2014 #182

Woo does kill people: MineralMan Jan 2014 #2

However, I could also list ... LisaLynne Jan 2014 #3

I have no doubt that you could. Sick people are sick people, MineralMan Jan 2014 #7

If only "woo warriors" paid as much attention to conventional medicine... uberblonde Jan 2014 #61

I don't agree. LisaLynne Jan 2014 #149

Please add my Mother-in-Law to the list of those killed by Doctors. Pathwalker Jan 2014 #9

I have had more 2naSalit Jan 2014 #26

You are right. After my Dr. recently badly botched a medical procedure Pathwalker Jan 2014 #41

Depending on what 2naSalit Jan 2014 #123

What Doctors have done to me would require too many expletives. AlbertCat Jan 2014 #77

You ASS*U*ME badly. Pathwalker Jan 2014 #87

You ASS*U*ME badly. AlbertCat Jan 2014 #100

So, now you're a psychic who knows what I believe about Pathwalker Jan 2014 #112

When that happens, its malpractice, but its standard with "alternative" medicine... Humanist_Activist Jan 2014 #21

Holy crap, that's horrible! HappyMe Jan 2014 #12

Yes. The "naturopath" was prosecuted MineralMan Jan 2014 #14

It's scary to think that after he got out of prison HappyMe Jan 2014 #19

And that's at the core of the problem - a lack of regulation MineralMan Jan 2014 #30

That's it. No regulations HappyMe Jan 2014 #76

Depends on the state Sgent Jan 2014 #120

Wait. So you "can't prove it".... uberblonde Jan 2014 #66

Bazinga! Sheldon Cooper Jan 2014 #72

I can't prove why she committed suicide, but her missing lower MineralMan Jan 2014 #86

Thank you for that story. Woo really makes me angry-- it is not harmless. Marr Jan 2014 #57

The only reason the alternative health care industry MineralMan Jan 2014 #84

The world is not magical Ohio Joe Jan 2014 #4

Science always looks like magic to the ignorant. IdaBriggs Jan 2014 #11

"Science always looks like magic to the ignorant."... And yet it is still science Ohio Joe Jan 2014 #17

Please provide an example of a treatment that many claim to be effective, but that scientists... eqfan592 Jan 2014 #18

You're about to get an earful about micronutrients...nt SidDithers Jan 2014 #20

I'm not sure s/he will respond at all, actually. lol eqfan592 Jan 2014 #23

Follow the links to the two threads in my original post. IdaBriggs Jan 2014 #32

even understanding how a rainbow is created does not take away from its beaut, and the joy of seeing AlbertCat Jan 2014 #81

It was supposed to be a poetic analogy. IdaBriggs Jan 2014 #128

The two definitely look the same to the ignorant. n/t Orsino Jan 2014 #173

In the English language, 'woo' is a verb meaning 'to seek the affection of another with romantic Bluenorthwest Jan 2014 #5

A very appropriate definition for alternative "medicine." eqfan592 Jan 2014 #13

As used by DU's Septic Community, kentauros Jan 2014 #15

And somehow you think that is done unintentionally. THAT is the funniest part I think. ;) nt eqfan592 Jan 2014 #22

No, I don't think it's done unintentionally. kentauros Jan 2014 #24

"made-up word" progressoid Jan 2014 #45

That's beneath you. (nt) Orrex Jan 2014 #46

That differs from my understanding, Science Crow Jan 2014 #118

Septic???? Give 'em an antiseptic, then! MADem Jan 2014 #146

No, I want to say septic. kentauros Jan 2014 #151

Ahhhh!! Ho capito! nt MADem Jan 2014 #153

Rick Flair: Jerry Lewis first user of Woo. Interview here... L0oniX Jan 2014 #16

Beautiful. Iggo Jan 2014 #52

Ask Steve Jobs. Starry Messenger Jan 2014 #25

Steve Jobs would still be dead. RC Jan 2014 #33

"...real medicine is based on and got its start, with what is now called Woo." No it didn't... Humanist_Activist Jan 2014 #85

Reading comprehension? RC Jan 2014 #108

I guess it was too much to ask that you might actually read the article. Starry Messenger Jan 2014 #131

Maybe you should read up on pancreatic cancer. RC Jan 2014 #134

Or you could just read mine. Starry Messenger Jan 2014 #154

I did, but you would have to read my post to get the answers to the questions you ask. RC Jan 2014 #155

One persons woo is another persons Autumn Jan 2014 #27

There is a difference between magical thinking (woo) & knowledge frontier on point Jan 2014 #31

Remember the recent "stop taking vitamins" study IdaBriggs Jan 2014 #36

Remember how some DUers misinterpreted the recent vitamin studies... SidDithers Jan 2014 #38

+1 n/t tammywammy Jan 2014 #158

Are you purposely misrepresenting the study .... etherealtruth Jan 2014 #39

Yes, to both questions. cleanhippie Jan 2014 #44

Actually, the studies specifically state that this is NOT applicable to people with deficiencies. progressoid Jan 2014 #42

Wow. I've got to tell you, this sort of statement makes me doubt your other claims. Marr Jan 2014 #67

remember that half the people on the planet are women who have been advised to supplement with folic AlbertCat Jan 2014 #82

Awesome - you've moved to personal insults. IdaBriggs Jan 2014 #89

You lose; I win. AlbertCat Jan 2014 #96

wait, you mean the study thatsaid taking vitamins were a waste of of time, dionysus Jan 2014 #114

Message auto-removed Name removed Jan 2014 #40

'Woo' is a term used by the man who literally wrote the book on Big Pharma muriel_volestrangler Jan 2014 #43

I didn't know that etherealtruth Jan 2014 #48

I don't think that's a good definition of woo mathematic Jan 2014 #47

The Miracle of Modern Medicine gave me 6 months to live, tops, over 8 years ago. Shandris Jan 2014 #49

it was discovered chicken soup works AlbertCat Jan 2014 #92

Yes, you do. Shandris Jan 2014 #103

I'm all about the scientific method, and have practically no faith in any alternative treatments, Sheldon Cooper Jan 2014 #54

"Woo" is a derisive corporate term used to distract attention from "poo" Berlum Jan 2014 #58

Someone's just mad they can't post about chemtrails anymore. Codeine Jan 2014 #64

Actually, someone who is placid and who understands the Corporate Strategery Berlum Jan 2014 #69

dead-end materialist "explanations" while trashing and deriding the natural realms AlbertCat Jan 2014 #94

! dionysus Jan 2014 #115

well said...nt G_j Jan 2014 #74

The third leading cause of death Brainstormy Jan 2014 #63

Wow that's a grand conspiracy you concocted there, and vitamin C can cure cancer? Humanist_Activist Jan 2014 #91

I didn't say that. Brainstormy Jan 2014 #145

The only thing a megadose of Vitamin C does Codeine Jan 2014 #98

Not necessarily. Brainstormy Jan 2014 #144

The world is a magical place, and we all have a lot to learn. AlbertCat Jan 2014 #65

how do you define magic, to say there is no such thing? Voice for Peace Jan 2014 #113

I prefer Calvin's snowmen, especially this time of the year. longship Jan 2014 #164

love it. unforgettable snowmen of doom. Voice for Peace Jan 2014 #165

Woo peed on my rug DefenseLawyer Jan 2014 #70

This is what happens when you homeopathically fuck a stranger in the ass. nt Codeine Jan 2014 #73

So you've been wooped? L0oniX Jan 2014 #141

Must be serious stuff. raouldukelives Jan 2014 #75

More likely we're all in general agreement about most of those issues. Codeine Jan 2014 #78

Well stated. Been thinking along the same lines lately. The word 'woo' seems to have become a tool gtar100 Jan 2014 #80

++ Voice for Peace Jan 2014 #109

That's exactly it. nt laundry_queen Jan 2014 #163

I trust the rigorous scientific process and peer review than I do the opinion of herbalists. Vashta Nerada Jan 2014 #83

Way back when I was getting chemo HappyMe Jan 2014 #101

Hear, hear!! FloridaJudy Jan 2014 #152

Many of the people ZombieHorde Jan 2014 #88

This ^^^ Codeine Jan 2014 #99

Hear, hear ShazzieB Jan 2014 #116

The problem with saying "whatever works" is defining what it means for something to "work". Silent3 Jan 2014 #95

Well said. Research and education are always evolving, there is far more to the universe mother earth Jan 2014 #104

There is a difference. longship Jan 2014 #166

No one has all the answers, either side of the divide. We are all Skidmore Jan 2014 #172

Interesting that a person would compare science to snake oil. longship Jan 2014 #174

You need to read what I wrote again. Skidmore Jan 2014 #177

Science does indeed adapt to new knowledge, and absolutely science is ultimately self-correcting, mother earth Jan 2014 #180

Exactly, beautifully said. Voice for Peace Jan 2014 #105

"Woo" is short for pseudoscience. kestrel91316 Jan 2014 #106

IF.... Locrian Jan 2014 #110

Certainly woo can be dangerous Android3.14 Jan 2014 #111

DU rec BuddhaGirl Jan 2014 #121

ROFL Jamastiene Jan 2014 #125

Lol! NealK Jan 2014 #170

Woo is pseudo-scientific bullshit. Iggo Jan 2014 #132

What is woo? Vashta Nerada Jan 2014 #138

When Woo Colides, War of the Woo, The Day the Woo Stood Still, World Woo III? L0oniX Jan 2014 #139

One might think you arent taking this thread seriously. rhett o rick Jan 2014 #140

Woo is the polite way of saying "bullshit snake oil". -nt Liberal Veteran Jan 2014 #147

It is the combined primary philosophies of the Woo Dynasty, of course. nt Zorra Jan 2014 #148

Woo is "making shit up" without any basis, and no supporting data. longship Jan 2014 #162

it's a word used by people unaware of the word "quackery" Skittles Jan 2014 #167

OFFS. NealK Jan 2014 #171

A great answer to the question. longship Jan 2014 #178

The official pronunciation is 'woo woo' or 'woo-woo'. Rex Jan 2014 #179

There is one thing I've learned from the woo wars. NuclearDem Jan 2014 #181