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Th1onein

(8,514 posts)
49. A job is not necessarily a "thing of value."
Tue Jan 7, 2014, 06:20 AM
Jan 2014

In the case of a job, there is no value in it until YOU put the value in it by doing the work. And, then, you get paid for the work. Your argument is not a good one.

Moreover, fraudulent inducement to contract is a civil action, not a criminal one. The mirror in criminal law would be false pretenses, BUT the person defrauded must be suffer some damages in order to claim this, and unless the person was not ABLE to do the job because of the criminal background, it doesn't fit the requirements for a criminal case. Sorry, simply getting a job because you didn't check the box is not cause for criminal charges.

And, by the way, doesn't it tell you something that some states are outlawing putting this question on the job application? That ought to tell you something.

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You get fired when they find out and you get a bad reference. MADem Jan 2014 #1
you get fired and you lose your unemployment benefits Hamlette Jan 2014 #47
It's just not worth lying--better to try to charm one's way past the criminal record bit, and MADem Jan 2014 #48
I understand Jmaxfie1 Jan 2014 #2
Yup ... background check will turn it up 1000words Jan 2014 #3
Really, It's a moot point n/t Jmaxfie1 Jan 2014 #5
Not everybody does background checks. Th1onein Jan 2014 #12
It's never a good idea to lie on a job application. Blue_In_AK Jan 2014 #4
If it would keep you from getting the job in the first place..... Th1onein Jan 2014 #13
My grandfather had a different take on that Major Nikon Jan 2014 #40
Depending on the situation, one could lose a lot. morningfog Jan 2014 #6
It's not against the law to lie on an employment application. Th1onein Jan 2014 #10
Actually shanti Jan 2014 #15
Prove it. Unless they are governmental, they don't state that. Th1onein Jan 2014 #16
well, yeah shanti Jan 2014 #20
There you go. You proved my point. Thank you. Th1onein Jan 2014 #22
Please DO NOT GIVE OUT BAD LEGAL ADVICE. You most certainly CAN be VOP'd msanthrope Jan 2014 #17
but how often does that happen? Major Nikon Jan 2014 #42
In my state we have things called 'computers.' Some of these computers msanthrope Jan 2014 #51
So if a convicted child molester tries to get a job at a day care... Major Nikon Jan 2014 #53
It works like this...you are on parole. You lie, and get a job. Your PO msanthrope Jan 2014 #61
No ethical lawyer is going to advise a client to lie Major Nikon Jan 2014 #62
P.S. they sure as hell can revoke parole for lying. morningfog Jan 2014 #24
Waahahaha! That is not true at all. Th1onein Jan 2014 #29
Parole violation and revocation is not about breaking the law. morningfog Jan 2014 #31
YOU are uninformed friend. It's not a violation of parole, technical or otherwise. Th1onein Jan 2014 #32
I do know better. Much better than you. morningfog Jan 2014 #33
I'm sorry, but you are wrong. Th1onein Jan 2014 #35
Here's how it would go, because you don't understand: morningfog Jan 2014 #50
"If you just want to talk out of you ass, save it." Th1onein Jan 2014 #52
I tried to be civil. morningfog Jan 2014 #60
we dont always agree, but i think you handled yourself with integrity and decorum. loli phabay Jan 2014 #67
"Says something, not good, about their character..." Much as lying also illustrates. LanternWaste Jan 2014 #66
Emma Goldman once said that you should take bread Th1onein Jan 2014 #72
You got caught with a point you could not counter, so you resort to attacking the person joeglow3 Jan 2014 #69
Winner! Iggo Jan 2014 #70
It's fraud jberryhill Jan 2014 #28
Nah. Th1onein Jan 2014 #30
You've just had two attorneys tell you you are WRONG--Stop Giving Out Shitty Legal Advice. nt msanthrope Jan 2014 #34
the poster is clueless, i will even chime in and say ive seen pb revoked for for lying loli phabay Jan 2014 #59
You mean getting a job and working for money is fraud? Th1onein Jan 2014 #36
Obtaining something on false pretenses jberryhill Jan 2014 #44
A job is not necessarily a "thing of value." Th1onein Jan 2014 #49
The fraud statute for the state will answer your question Major Nikon Jan 2014 #55
Not in Wisconsin TheMightyFavog Jan 2014 #46
Lie on a municipal/county/state/federal application and see what happens... Blue_Tires Jan 2014 #57
"What do you have to lose by lying?" That's simple...the job! countryjake Jan 2014 #7
But you've lost it to begin with, if you tell the truth. Th1onein Jan 2014 #11
Not necessarily TexasBushwhacker Jan 2014 #43
But, it has to be said... Blue_Tires Jan 2014 #58
not true sweetapogee Jan 2014 #71
because any cube monkey with half a brain and an internet connection FatBuddy Jan 2014 #8
this ^ PeaceNikki Jan 2014 #9
Well, there is that. Th1onein Jan 2014 #14
Background checks are getting cheaper and easier FrodosPet Jan 2014 #54
As of January 1st, employers aren't allowed to ask that question on job apps anymore here in MN. Vashta Nerada Jan 2014 #18
I have a family member who got around it Holly_Hobby Jan 2014 #19
Employees should have the right to ask. RadleyJ Jan 2014 #21
Exactly. Blue_In_AK Jan 2014 #23
My understanding is that federal law prohibits companies in the financial services fields lastlib Jan 2014 #25
This question is of no help at all. Proof of this statement lies in the fact that in recent years, Cal33 Jan 2014 #26
True, but the key word was "convicted." lastlib Jan 2014 #27
I've actually seen people hired despite answering yes, but if they lied they were fired. JVS Jan 2014 #37
Good luck with that Glassunion Jan 2014 #38
defending woo to the hilt, now this... you're on a roll... dionysus Jan 2014 #39
If on parole it could cause trouble Bradical79 Jan 2014 #41
Why are you asking? ProudToBeBlueInRhody Jan 2014 #45
what do you have to lose by lying? OLDMDDEM Jan 2014 #56
not only that, but your po is going to list you as a liar and next time you get popped for something loli phabay Jan 2014 #68
It's that part at the bottom... Iggo Jan 2014 #63
"Well, it's not against the law" NCTraveler Jan 2014 #64
mayby because they are trying to be honest and show rehabilitation. loli phabay Jan 2014 #65
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