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24. CCW carriers are a subset of gun owners

Reply to hack89 (Reply #23)

Tue Jan 7, 2014, 10:24 AM

Jan 2014

Stop trying to deny reality.

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Detroit police chief: Legal gun owners can deter crime [View all] hack89 Jan 2014 OP

Until they commit the crime. hobbit709 Jan 2014 #1

Ah yes - all those pre-criminals walking around hack89 Jan 2014 #2

I seem to remember another recent case where a teenager was given the "pre-criminal" treatment Blue_Tires Jan 2014 #75

Because every gun owner is a Zimmerman? hack89 Jan 2014 #78

Seems to me like damn near every gun owner lined up to defend him... Blue_Tires Jan 2014 #80

ok nt hack89 Jan 2014 #81

I'm a gun owner, and I wanted Zimmerman to wind up UNDER the fucking jail! 11 Bravo Jan 2014 #87

Cold steel does not influence people to commit crimes seveneyes Jan 2014 #3

BS, people steal to get guns all the time. Bandit Jan 2014 #19

Missing the point seveneyes Jan 2014 #66

just what we need, a bunch of gun nuts walking around trying to deter crime bowens43 Jan 2014 #4

They are not "trying to deter crime" hack89 Jan 2014 #8

As opposed to a bunch of gun nuts walking around robbing and killing FrodosPet Jan 2014 #14

"Shall issue" CCW permits are the norm in this country. Lizzie Poppet Jan 2014 #56

From the link SecularMotion Jan 2014 #5

I think the Chief knows his city better than Robyn Thomas hack89 Jan 2014 #7

Robyn Thomas bases her opinion on studies and research that show owning guns does not make you safer SecularMotion Jan 2014 #15

We are talking about a very small subset of gun owners hack89 Jan 2014 #16

'Guns do not make a country safer,' study suggests SecularMotion Jan 2014 #20

The subject is CCW carriers hack89 Jan 2014 #23

CCW carriers are a subset of gun owners SecularMotion Jan 2014 #24

A subset that commits crimes at a significantly lower rate than the general public hack89 Jan 2014 #26

Your argument that legal gun carriers commit less crime than illegal gun carriers is irrelevant. SecularMotion Jan 2014 #36

I always hear about this research hack89 Jan 2014 #38

Guns in the Home and Risk of a Violent Death in the Home: Findings from a National Study SecularMotion Jan 2014 #44

Interesting hack89 Jan 2014 #51

Lets look at ten years of CCW reality in Michigan. hack89 Jan 2014 #34

Thomas errs badly when he says no one is made "any safer" Eleanors38 Jan 2014 #45

from LA to Portland Maine? G_j Jan 2014 #6

Maine has very liberal gun laws (including open carry) with low crime rates hack89 Jan 2014 #10

portland is also tiny, there's more than one demographic at play. dionysus Jan 2014 #50

So lets look a ten years of CCW history in Michigan hack89 Jan 2014 #54

i'm not in the group that considers CCW a problem, i just doubt how much it will deter crime. dionysus Jan 2014 #55

Thus sayeth hack89... sweetapogee Jan 2014 #73

I am a liberal that favors liberal gun laws. nt hack89 Jan 2014 #74

Exactly A Little Weird Jan 2014 #27

let's issue guns at birth...there would be no crime spanone Jan 2014 #9

Thanks for your insightful contribution nt hack89 Jan 2014 #11

maybe pre-natal? spanone Jan 2014 #12

I oppose invasive procedures as a matter of principal. nt hack89 Jan 2014 #13

While I disagree with billh58 Jan 2014 #17

The problem has always been illegal guns hack89 Jan 2014 #21

Chicken or egg? billh58 Jan 2014 #25

Quadruple the size of the ATF and have them focus on illegal gun sales hack89 Jan 2014 #28

That, of course, is billh58 Jan 2014 #46

I do not support more guns are better hack89 Jan 2014 #53

I disagree with the New Police Chief. mstinamotorcity2 Jan 2014 #18

There are a multitude of states that track CCW carriers and crime rates hack89 Jan 2014 #22

Well the Chief just got here. mstinamotorcity2 Jan 2014 #39

OK. nt hack89 Jan 2014 #41

Wasn't being Snarky. mstinamotorcity2 Jan 2014 #47

So now rather than taking one's wallet and leaving, they'll shoot you immediately and Hoyt Jan 2014 #29

See post #30. History says you are wrong. nt hack89 Jan 2014 #33

Nope, Post 30 does not prove me wrong. Hoyt Jan 2014 #42

A five fold increase in CCW holders over 10 years with no increase in gun violence proves you right? hack89 Jan 2014 #43

As if all wallet thieves are murderers seveneyes Jan 2014 #70

Ten years of liberal CCW in Michigan shows no negative impact hack89 Jan 2014 #30

Yeah, this should work well, chief. TheCowsCameHome Jan 2014 #31

Lets compare Michigan to Michigan hack89 Jan 2014 #37

Why doesn't the Detroit police chief just resign. Everybody would be armed and there would be no Lint Head Jan 2014 #32

But Michigan's history shows more guns do not equal more violence hack89 Jan 2014 #35

Police are not charged with protecting you. Eleanors38 Jan 2014 #57

You gun fanciers keep saying that, but it's not true. The court decisions basically say you can't Hoyt Jan 2014 #58

Thanks for the support. BTW, it is not the courts' job Eleanors38 Jan 2014 #63

You still don't get it. Police are not "supposed" to turn their back on you. You just Hoyt Jan 2014 #68

Goodness, the straw. Eleanors38 Jan 2014 #71

As usual Hoyt, you're wrong again. Ranchemp. Jan 2014 #69

Coincidentally or not, Maine is also one of the whitest places in the USA Fumesucker Jan 2014 #40

So, what are you implying ..... oldhippie Jan 2014 #48

Maybe the same thing others imply when they tie gun owners to things based on The Straight Story Jan 2014 #49

I just wonder what the article in the OP is implying Fumesucker Jan 2014 #61

Maine was mentioned in the OP because the chief mentioned it hack89 Jan 2014 #64

What oldhippie said. I'm also interested to know why you went out of your way to point this out. Glassunion Jan 2014 #52

The trouble with analyzing stuff through racial lenses instead Eleanors38 Jan 2014 #59

Indeed Glassunion Jan 2014 #60

I'm interested in why it wasn't pointed out in the article in the OP Fumesucker Jan 2014 #62

Are you equally concerned with the chief's agenda hack89 Jan 2014 #65

I think his comment may have been used because it could be a stand-in for race Fumesucker Jan 2014 #76

Or because understanding how he came to believe what he believes about gun ownership hack89 Jan 2014 #79

that is not a hint of a dog whistle. mstinamotorcity2 Jan 2014 #77

The chief is AA - why would he be blowing that particular dog whistle? nt hack89 Jan 2014 #82

The chief was ultimately hired mstinamotorcity2 Jan 2014 #85

ok nt hack89 Jan 2014 #88

I've never fired a gun in my life. JNelson6563 Jan 2014 #67

The people of Sanford, Florida certainly think so... Blue_Tires Jan 2014 #72

thank you mstinamotorcity2 Jan 2014 #86

And if we had more judges like BobUp Jan 2014 #83

Ah, Detroit. COLGATE4 Jan 2014 #84