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Hoyt

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58. You gun fanciers keep saying that, but it's not true. The court decisions basically say you can't

Tue Jan 7, 2014, 11:45 AM

Jan 2014

sue police department, government, etc., for failing to protect you. It does not say police are not there to protect you, will refuse to protect you, you are on your own, etc. Stop spreading NRA gun love in an attempt to rationalize your gun obsession/needs.

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Detroit police chief: Legal gun owners can deter crime [View all] hack89 Jan 2014 OP

Until they commit the crime. hobbit709 Jan 2014 #1

Ah yes - all those pre-criminals walking around hack89 Jan 2014 #2

I seem to remember another recent case where a teenager was given the "pre-criminal" treatment Blue_Tires Jan 2014 #75

Because every gun owner is a Zimmerman? hack89 Jan 2014 #78

Seems to me like damn near every gun owner lined up to defend him... Blue_Tires Jan 2014 #80

ok nt hack89 Jan 2014 #81

I'm a gun owner, and I wanted Zimmerman to wind up UNDER the fucking jail! 11 Bravo Jan 2014 #87

Cold steel does not influence people to commit crimes seveneyes Jan 2014 #3

BS, people steal to get guns all the time. Bandit Jan 2014 #19

Missing the point seveneyes Jan 2014 #66

just what we need, a bunch of gun nuts walking around trying to deter crime bowens43 Jan 2014 #4

They are not "trying to deter crime" hack89 Jan 2014 #8

As opposed to a bunch of gun nuts walking around robbing and killing FrodosPet Jan 2014 #14

"Shall issue" CCW permits are the norm in this country. Lizzie Poppet Jan 2014 #56

From the link SecularMotion Jan 2014 #5

I think the Chief knows his city better than Robyn Thomas hack89 Jan 2014 #7

Robyn Thomas bases her opinion on studies and research that show owning guns does not make you safer SecularMotion Jan 2014 #15

We are talking about a very small subset of gun owners hack89 Jan 2014 #16

'Guns do not make a country safer,' study suggests SecularMotion Jan 2014 #20

The subject is CCW carriers hack89 Jan 2014 #23

CCW carriers are a subset of gun owners SecularMotion Jan 2014 #24

A subset that commits crimes at a significantly lower rate than the general public hack89 Jan 2014 #26

Your argument that legal gun carriers commit less crime than illegal gun carriers is irrelevant. SecularMotion Jan 2014 #36

I always hear about this research hack89 Jan 2014 #38

Guns in the Home and Risk of a Violent Death in the Home: Findings from a National Study SecularMotion Jan 2014 #44

Interesting hack89 Jan 2014 #51

Lets look at ten years of CCW reality in Michigan. hack89 Jan 2014 #34

Thomas errs badly when he says no one is made "any safer" Eleanors38 Jan 2014 #45

from LA to Portland Maine? G_j Jan 2014 #6

Maine has very liberal gun laws (including open carry) with low crime rates hack89 Jan 2014 #10

portland is also tiny, there's more than one demographic at play. dionysus Jan 2014 #50

So lets look a ten years of CCW history in Michigan hack89 Jan 2014 #54

i'm not in the group that considers CCW a problem, i just doubt how much it will deter crime. dionysus Jan 2014 #55

Thus sayeth hack89... sweetapogee Jan 2014 #73

I am a liberal that favors liberal gun laws. nt hack89 Jan 2014 #74

Exactly A Little Weird Jan 2014 #27

let's issue guns at birth...there would be no crime spanone Jan 2014 #9

Thanks for your insightful contribution nt hack89 Jan 2014 #11

maybe pre-natal? spanone Jan 2014 #12

I oppose invasive procedures as a matter of principal. nt hack89 Jan 2014 #13

While I disagree with billh58 Jan 2014 #17

The problem has always been illegal guns hack89 Jan 2014 #21

Chicken or egg? billh58 Jan 2014 #25

Quadruple the size of the ATF and have them focus on illegal gun sales hack89 Jan 2014 #28

That, of course, is billh58 Jan 2014 #46

I do not support more guns are better hack89 Jan 2014 #53

I disagree with the New Police Chief. mstinamotorcity2 Jan 2014 #18

There are a multitude of states that track CCW carriers and crime rates hack89 Jan 2014 #22

Well the Chief just got here. mstinamotorcity2 Jan 2014 #39

OK. nt hack89 Jan 2014 #41

Wasn't being Snarky. mstinamotorcity2 Jan 2014 #47

So now rather than taking one's wallet and leaving, they'll shoot you immediately and Hoyt Jan 2014 #29

See post #30. History says you are wrong. nt hack89 Jan 2014 #33

Nope, Post 30 does not prove me wrong. Hoyt Jan 2014 #42

A five fold increase in CCW holders over 10 years with no increase in gun violence proves you right? hack89 Jan 2014 #43

As if all wallet thieves are murderers seveneyes Jan 2014 #70

Ten years of liberal CCW in Michigan shows no negative impact hack89 Jan 2014 #30

Yeah, this should work well, chief. TheCowsCameHome Jan 2014 #31

Lets compare Michigan to Michigan hack89 Jan 2014 #37

Why doesn't the Detroit police chief just resign. Everybody would be armed and there would be no Lint Head Jan 2014 #32

But Michigan's history shows more guns do not equal more violence hack89 Jan 2014 #35

Police are not charged with protecting you. Eleanors38 Jan 2014 #57

You gun fanciers keep saying that, but it's not true. The court decisions basically say you can't Hoyt Jan 2014 #58

Thanks for the support. BTW, it is not the courts' job Eleanors38 Jan 2014 #63

You still don't get it. Police are not "supposed" to turn their back on you. You just Hoyt Jan 2014 #68

Goodness, the straw. Eleanors38 Jan 2014 #71

As usual Hoyt, you're wrong again. Ranchemp. Jan 2014 #69

Coincidentally or not, Maine is also one of the whitest places in the USA Fumesucker Jan 2014 #40

So, what are you implying ..... oldhippie Jan 2014 #48

Maybe the same thing others imply when they tie gun owners to things based on The Straight Story Jan 2014 #49

I just wonder what the article in the OP is implying Fumesucker Jan 2014 #61

Maine was mentioned in the OP because the chief mentioned it hack89 Jan 2014 #64

What oldhippie said. I'm also interested to know why you went out of your way to point this out. Glassunion Jan 2014 #52

The trouble with analyzing stuff through racial lenses instead Eleanors38 Jan 2014 #59

Indeed Glassunion Jan 2014 #60

I'm interested in why it wasn't pointed out in the article in the OP Fumesucker Jan 2014 #62

Are you equally concerned with the chief's agenda hack89 Jan 2014 #65

I think his comment may have been used because it could be a stand-in for race Fumesucker Jan 2014 #76

Or because understanding how he came to believe what he believes about gun ownership hack89 Jan 2014 #79

that is not a hint of a dog whistle. mstinamotorcity2 Jan 2014 #77

The chief is AA - why would he be blowing that particular dog whistle? nt hack89 Jan 2014 #82

The chief was ultimately hired mstinamotorcity2 Jan 2014 #85

ok nt hack89 Jan 2014 #88

I've never fired a gun in my life. JNelson6563 Jan 2014 #67

The people of Sanford, Florida certainly think so... Blue_Tires Jan 2014 #72

thank you mstinamotorcity2 Jan 2014 #86

And if we had more judges like BobUp Jan 2014 #83

Ah, Detroit. COLGATE4 Jan 2014 #84