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In reply to the discussion: Meditation 'works just as well as anti-depressants' [View all]jeff47
(26,549 posts)117. Actually, you did.
Where did I say that?
Right here:
It has been shown effective, both at treating depression
As well as quoting studies that didn't actually show it to be effective for clinical depression, just helpful for mild depression. That indicates you don't understand the difference.
In short, you are arguing that we should spend more time inside our minds, unaware of the demons that lurk therein.
Or that?Reading comprehension. Might wanna try it. For example, that isn't a quote from you. It's a summary of what your position appears to be from someone who actually suffered from clinical depression.
Pushing for meditation as a cure for clinical depression means you have zero understanding of actual clinical depression. That sentence is an attempt to get you to start thinking beyond how your mind works. Because in those of us with clinical depression, our minds do not work like yours does thanks to differences in brain chemistry.
My post points out that you can't dismiss meditation as "woo." Which is true.
The woo is claiming it is an effective treatment for clinical depression. It isn't. None of the studies you are pointing to support that claim. They only claim it helps mild depression - clinical depression is a far different beast. As evidenced by drugs like SSRIs working on clinical depression, but not moderate depression.
It's a little like saying your favorite treatment for mild sunburn cures skin cancer.
Also, pushing for it as a cure does actual harm to people who actually have clinical depression. Your post utterly dismisses that because it doesn't make sense in your head. But your head isn't the one with the depressed brain inside it.
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Not one study: he looked at all 47 studies used for all the clinical tests on the 6 drugs
Stevepol
Jan 2014
#103
I agree with the sentiment, but the drugs also cause some people to kill themselves.
JaneyVee
Jan 2014
#4
How many people who chose to meditate instead of going to a doctor killed themselves?
Humanist_Activist
Jan 2014
#92
I'd definitely start there before submitting myself to pharmaceuticals.
Egalitarian Thug
Jan 2014
#7
You first link seems to be about people who are being weaned off of anti-depressives, so they...
Humanist_Activist
Jan 2014
#99
Question, how are we supposed to know the distinction when the reporting...
Humanist_Activist
Jan 2014
#106
"The article and OP suggest meditation is effective in treating depression." Yeah, a lie.
Humanist_Activist
Jan 2014
#111
It says that meditation may be effective for some types of depression...
Humanist_Activist
Jan 2014
#123
Longer, and more accurate, but its the Daily Mail, so we have low expectations...
Humanist_Activist
Jan 2014
#129
To be honest, I find all of them to be hyperbolic, but again, the studies themselves...
Humanist_Activist
Jan 2014
#135
Yes I would, to your last question, I prefer accuracy over inaccuracy.
Humanist_Activist
Jan 2014
#140
Its because many people are used to being told exactly that, that it is...
Humanist_Activist
Jan 2014
#143
Kuyken's study found meditation effective in helping prevent relapse AFTER treatment
LadyHawkAZ
Jan 2014
#121
Somewhere in the UK somebody poor or brown or both did something crazy, and the Daily Heil is ON IT.
LeftyMom
Jan 2014
#17
A few years ago my neuropsychologist had me working on a new one. Also some of the
freshwest
Jan 2014
#57
Have him aim for pinching hard the place the calf muscle attaches. It hurts for a second and I'm
freshwest
Jan 2014
#60
Cherry-picking, and sensationalist headlines - nothing more to be expected from Daily Mail.
idwiyo
Jan 2014
#37
The issue is that the reporting is poor, it seems to indicate that it should work for all people...
Humanist_Activist
Jan 2014
#87
Actually the majority, starting with the second post, pointed out how the Daily Fail...
Humanist_Activist
Jan 2014
#90
However, they do say "can" and " may", not "will", at least in those clips.
uppityperson
Jan 2014
#130
You seem to, yet again, not understand the difference between mild and moderate depression...
Humanist_Activist
Jan 2014
#132
Your first link has it as the TITLE of the article, do you not read?
Humanist_Activist
Jan 2014
#137
Telling the clinically depressed that meditation is just as good as medication is absolutely woo.
Marr
Jan 2014
#98
Yes, when someone is clinically depressed it's so easy to get up and go for a stroll.
jeff47
Jan 2014
#93
When non-traditional approaches are evaluated using appropriate methodologies
Warren Stupidity
Jan 2014
#101
Where is the evidence of these reactions? Or do you enjoy erecting strawmen? n/t
Humanist_Activist
Jan 2014
#122