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Bernardo de La Paz

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60. Festivito introduced religion into this discussion, needlessly.

Tue Jan 7, 2014, 08:23 PM

Jan 2014

In Einstein's quote he was writing about scientific imagination and scientific inspiration.

I am sure that people like Pasteur would have pursued the germ theory with or without a background of religion.

You were the one who introduced the terms "bigotry and tribalism" into this discussion. Religion is rightly identified as one of the greatest sources of bigotry and tribalism, in response to your question. If you don't like the obvious answer, don't ask the question.

Further, if you are trying to make this personal, nobody is fautlless or flawless (certainly not me or you), so let's not go where trolls go. Let's keep discussions about facts and concepts.

Finally, I don't think this particular subthread is going anywhere useful and I have lost interest in it.

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A Timely Repost: Do You Know Why Albert Einstein Left The Berlin Academy of Sciences ??? [View all] WillyT Jan 2014 OP

He resigned from the Prussian Academy of Science in 1933 after Hitler came to power jakeXT Jan 2014 #1

and he was Jewish. NYtoBush-Drop Dead Jan 2014 #18

If imagination > knowledge, is then, religion > science? Festivito Jan 2014 #2

No. Logical fallacies are run-of-the-mill here, just like what you wrote. n/t Egalitarian Thug Jan 2014 #4

How is it a fallacy? Festivito Jan 2014 #5

No. Scientific imagination is more powerful than religious "knowledge". Bernardo de La Paz Jan 2014 #9

But yes for religious imagination over scientific knowledge then? Festivito Jan 2014 #11

No, and no to your disruptive red herring. Bernardo de La Paz Jan 2014 #15

Immagination is the source of greater knowledge(NT) The Wizard Jan 2014 #27

Yes, imagination too. That was the point of Einstein's quote. nt Bernardo de La Paz Jan 2014 #31

disruptive?? demwing Jan 2014 #28

Religion is disruptive. It doesn't appreciate being questioned. It has nothing to do with the OP. Bernardo de La Paz Jan 2014 #30

Science is rational demwing Jan 2014 #39

I think the post boils down to the idea that religion has nothing to do with imagination. Festivito Jan 2014 #42

No. It boils down to the OP has nothing to do with religion. Bernardo de La Paz Jan 2014 #47

You're misstating the actual concept Orrex Jan 2014 #12

The "actual concept" is what Einstein stated. And it was the OP that stated that, not me. Festivito Jan 2014 #14

If you think Einstein meant religion>science, then show your source Orrex Jan 2014 #17

I posed it as a question, not as a fact. Festivito Jan 2014 #37

Well, that's disingenuous of you Orrex Jan 2014 #38

Wrong. I like the OP quote. eom. Festivito Jan 2014 #44

No. You miss the concept by missing the boat. You bring the real smoke screen. Bernardo de La Paz Jan 2014 #19

The most imaginative religion never cured anything ... GeorgeGist Jan 2014 #34

Tell that to Pasteur. n/t Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2014 #41

No. You tell us how Pasteur relates to religion curing anything (which it does not). nt Bernardo de La Paz Jan 2014 #49

If you're waiting for some description of Pasteur's religion Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2014 #50

Every bit of motivation from religion for "healers" can be done without religion. Bernardo de La Paz Jan 2014 #55

Are you concerned that religion engenders bigotry and tribalism? Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2014 #56

Yes, and many other nasty things. Of course it is not the only source but is a huge source. Bernardo de La Paz Jan 2014 #58

If you don't like bigotry and tribalism then don't be a source of them. Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2014 #59

Festivito introduced religion into this discussion, needlessly. Bernardo de La Paz Jan 2014 #60

Religion has to do with belief. truedelphi Jan 2014 #13

.. and what that belief, that faith can do for imagination. Festivito Jan 2014 #22

No. Imagination most usefully works by going outside of beliefs & old backgrounds. Bernardo de La Paz Jan 2014 #32

When 2+2=5, can faith in math be relative? eom. Festivito Jan 2014 #45

That post is nonsensical. Bernardo de La Paz Jan 2014 #46

Einsteins theory of relativity is flawed. He realized it. Festivito Jan 2014 #48

I hope I'll always know when to walk away. hunter Jan 2014 #3

He left because of Hitler and Progressive dog Jan 2014 #6

He Was In The U.S. And Did Not Return Because Of Hitler, But He Was Repulsed At The Glee He Saw... WillyT Jan 2014 #7

You had him leaving in WW1, you do know that Progressive dog Jan 2014 #8

I May Have Got The Timeline Screwed Up (Remembering From A Great Documentary On Him, But... WillyT Jan 2014 #10

So shouldn't you edit your OP? muriel_volestrangler Jan 2014 #29

Was it the woo wars? Kaleva Jan 2014 #16

so it had nothing to do with Hitler getting power and him being Jewish ? JI7 Jan 2014 #20

See Post #10... WillyT Jan 2014 #23

didn't Einstein support the US developing weapons ? JI7 Jan 2014 #21

Not Really... But... WillyT Jan 2014 #24

so in the midst of WWII he was supportive of it an understood the threat JI7 Jan 2014 #25

I'm afraid I think this is completely wrong in just about all particulars Donald Ian Rankin Jan 2014 #26

LOL !!! WillyT Jan 2014 #33

About Einstein: truedelphi Jan 2014 #35

Touche, I admit. Donald Ian Rankin Jan 2014 #36

because he was a Jew? nt arely staircase Jan 2014 #40

He was owed beer and travel expenses. Yet they did not want to pay up. Glassunion Jan 2014 #43

I miss RandomThoughts' word salads. LAGC Jan 2014 #53

You can't solve problems without a new model. Manifestor_of_Light Jan 2014 #51

this caused an enormous crisis of conscience in the US scientific world after Trinity and WWII MisterP Jan 2014 #52

So he left due to the development of more efficient killing machines... Omnith Jan 2014 #54

I really can't imagine why a Jew might have chosen to leave Berlin in 1933.... LeftishBrit Jan 2014 #57