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66. The weapons you describe are used by military forces in combat. ...
Tue Jan 7, 2014, 09:30 PM
Jan 2014

A surface to air missile would only be useful if you planned to launch a terrorist attack. The idea of needing to own such a weapon for defense against a UFO is ridiculous even if UFOs do exist. If they do and are piloted by space aliens, the technology they possess is so far advanced that your surface to air missile would have as much effect on their craft as an arrow fired at a tank.

A hand grenade would be a poor choice of a weapon to use for home defense or even to stop an attack by a street criminal. If you throw a hand grenade at someone, it is wise not to be too close.

While 100 round magazines are available for your AR-15, I don't believe anyone has manufactured a 150 round magazine for sale. High cap magazines are more of a toy than a useful accessory as they commonly cause firearms to jam. The average shooter with some practice can change a 20 or 30 round magazine on an AR-i5 faster than he can clear a jam.

As I have said I have know a lot of gun owners. I have only known one that owned a 100 round magazine and that was for a .22 caliber rifle. If I remember correctly it jammed several times when he shot it on the range.

Most firearm owners support reasonable gun laws and do not wish to own weapons of mass destruction such as nuclear weapons. They see no need to own surface to air missiles or hand grenades. The exceptions might be members of a terrorist groups or some off the wall militia organizations who plan to launch a revolution to overthrow our government.

For some odd reason it seems popular for those who favor draconian gun control to try to insult gun owners. It's humorous and somewhat infantile and I see no real problem with those who do. Of course gun owners also stereotype and insult gun control advocates, so it goes both ways.

I tend to be a polite individual who finds all these insults harmless but I also feel that if our nation is ever to make any progress on improving our gun laws, both sides need to learn to treat each other with some respect. It doesn't look like that will happen anytime soon.







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Uh.... CherokeeDem Jan 2014 #1
"But wtf is semi-lethal??" jberryhill Jan 2014 #9
Good enough explanation for me.... CherokeeDem Jan 2014 #16
See it in action... Skinner Jan 2014 #2
Are the bullets made of anti-matter? clffrdjk Jan 2014 #3
No. The spin produced by the rifling MineralMan Jan 2014 #8
Grapeshot. That was the term I was searching for. enlightenment Jan 2014 #14
Chainshot, too. MineralMan Jan 2014 #15
Definitely. enlightenment Jan 2014 #17
I have no idea. Not much, I imagine. Design of projectiles isn't MineralMan Jan 2014 #37
Limited energy is lost clffrdjk Jan 2014 #18
'Or do you want to ban everything?' MineralMan Jan 2014 #21
No the counter to your post was the clffrdjk Jan 2014 #22
Please proceed... MineralMan Jan 2014 #23
Not really, a bullet MUST penetrate sufficiently to kill. This is a gimmick. nt Adrahil Jan 2014 #24
Agreed and that is my point. These seem like bean bag rounds for pistols. clffrdjk Jan 2014 #27
I concur. nt Adrahil Jan 2014 #28
Frankly, at handgun ranges, my choice would be MineralMan Jan 2014 #38
I think you responded to the wrong post. clffrdjk Jan 2014 #41
No, actually I didn't. Your topic was MineralMan Jan 2014 #43
Right clffrdjk Jan 2014 #47
Please proceed. MineralMan Jan 2014 #53
Wait, you deride hollow point, but go with #00 buck? nine 33 caliber bullets at 1,200fps?!? X_Digger Jan 2014 #67
Out of curiosity, do you believe that hollow point bullets should be banned? (n/t) spin Jan 2014 #33
Which hollow point bullets? MineralMan Jan 2014 #36
Message auto-removed Name removed Jan 2014 #51
Perhaps you were not aware of this but the reason the military does not use hollow point bullets ... spin Jan 2014 #54
Federal SWC target rounds. That's what I have on hand. MineralMan Jan 2014 #55
That's fine. No problem. Have a good day and stay warm. (n/t) spin Jan 2014 #58
Neat! Glassunion Jan 2014 #4
Careful, now. Our Gun Enthusiasts will accuse you of class-based elitism. (nt) Paladin Jan 2014 #5
Sounds like chain-shot to me. arbusto_baboso Jan 2014 #6
What is the purpose of this? ProgressSaves Jan 2014 #7
Considering how survivable gun shots are hack89 Jan 2014 #11
Ummm... no. Adrahil Jan 2014 #25
There is this program that they can attach to guns that makes them never miss. Xyzse Jan 2014 #10
Hand grenades. A better way to make a point. n/t malthaussen Jan 2014 #12
In military combat, yes. For civilian self defense against a criminal not so much. (n/t) spin Jan 2014 #59
That's one way to do it. Glassunion Jan 2014 #13
At close range and in skilled hands a sword is far more lethal then a handgun. (n/t) spin Jan 2014 #35
Oh, the gun nutters will be Le Taz Hot Jan 2014 #19
Better there than on this thread...... (nt) Paladin Jan 2014 #26
No thanks... sarisataka Jan 2014 #20
+1000 (n/t) spin Jan 2014 #60
In my younger years RadleyJ Jan 2014 #29
They do the same thing with rubber balls jmowreader Jan 2014 #42
An improved bolo bullet? Kaleva Jan 2014 #30
I think it funny that guns make you automatically think of sex hack89 Jan 2014 #31
If all you have is a hammer......(nt) blueridge3210 Jan 2014 #32
Zimmerman types are ecstatic. Hoyt Jan 2014 #34
I doubt any of the pieces would have the mass needed to penetrate... Demo_Chris Jan 2014 #39
Why this won't work jmowreader Jan 2014 #40
It's not a serious round, anyhow. It's a design exercise. MineralMan Jan 2014 #44
A useless bullet H. Cromwell Jan 2014 #46
Seems to me the spin would almost stop as soon as the pieces spread. cherokeeprogressive Jan 2014 #65
Other multiple projectile rounds are available and have been for years. ... spin Jan 2014 #45
just maybe onethatcares Jan 2014 #48
Pffft. Rocket launchers are the way to go. Vashta Nerada Jan 2014 #49
Message auto-removed Name removed Jan 2014 #50
Sad ... RKP5637 Jan 2014 #52
If the guvment can't infringe on my right to keep and bare arms doc03 Jan 2014 #56
I never known a gun owner who had any desire to own a nuke. ... spin Jan 2014 #63
Well why can't I at least have a functioning doc03 Jan 2014 #64
The weapons you describe are used by military forces in combat. ... spin Jan 2014 #66
Smaller bullets will disable, not kill an enemy resulting in two solders helping him egold2604 Jan 2014 #57
It appears the anti-gunners are getting hot and bothered the most. aikoaiko Jan 2014 #61
No, the gunners are off fondling their weapons in anticipation. Hoyt Jan 2014 #68
Well, at least more efficient means of murder aren't "woo". Tierra_y_Libertad Jan 2014 #62
Yeah... It's All Science, For The Advancement Of The Species... WillyT Jan 2014 #70
Oh yeah. lonestarnot Jan 2014 #69
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