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59. Um, No.

Wed Jan 8, 2014, 12:29 AM

Jan 2014

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This country has moved too far right to do otherwise. An I no longer buy the "worst of two-evils" meam as both 3rd-wayers and Repugs aren't good for this country's future. Only the repugs will do it much faster (hopefully) promping a blowback from the people to fight back against it. Unlike now where Obama has gotten away with a lot of things with dems that they would have raised hell if Bush/repugs would had tried.

This means I'll end up voting 3rd party if Hillary does get the nod as I see her as firm 3rd-wayer unless it looks like we had a strong progressive majority in both houses to keep her true to FDR progressive democratic principles. Which means it's time to get to work to make sure that happens.

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Could there EVER be good reason to choose a DLC/THIRD WAY/BLUE DOG presidential nominee again? [View all] Ken Burch Jan 2014 OP

I liked Clinton. Was not a NAFTA fan though. hrmjustin Jan 2014 #1

NAFTA is basically the only major thing he did, though. Ken Burch Jan 2014 #4

Self-loathing I think not. Clinton won and Hillary is our best hope. hrmjustin Jan 2014 #5

Calling her "our best hope" implies that we are hopelessly in the minority Ken Burch Jan 2014 #8

I would say many Clinton supporters consider themselves progressive. hrmjustin Jan 2014 #9

Perhaps so. But they lack confidence in the strength of the progressive position. Ken Burch Jan 2014 #22

I don't think they lack strength in anything. We like her. hrmjustin Jan 2014 #25

That arrogant assumption that only a select few of you are true progressives is nonsense. Beacool Jan 2014 #77

So the DLC -- 3rd-Way are "progressive", now? Cool. delrem Jan 2014 #102

TPP is not progressive no matter how hard you spin it. Enthusiast Jan 2014 #120

+100 n/t whathehell Jan 2014 #130

You would work against the party's nominee????? Beacool Jan 2014 #141

Why would I work for someone that promotes Enthusiast Jan 2014 #299

Hillary would cut the social safety net? Beacool Jan 2014 #313

Disappointing isn't it? Enthusiast Jan 2014 #319

+1. TPP is not progressive in any way. liberal_at_heart Jan 2014 #269

There is no confusion between who are the progressives and who are the conservative DEmocrats. rhett o rick Jan 2014 #242

OK, as individuals you CAN be progressive. But why back the anti-progressive candidate? Ken Burch Jan 2014 #244

That would be me! Auntie Bush Jan 2014 #31

She voted for Bush's wars and supported them even after it was proven to her he had lied. If she did sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #61

How about Brown of OH? hrmjustin Jan 2014 #62

Yes, there are plenty of good Democrats to consider. Brown is one. sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #97

I rarely agree with you, but in this case you are 1000% correct. Whisp Jan 2014 #67

Thank you ... n/t sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #70

This is the problem I have with Hillary, too. cinnabonbon Jan 2014 #93

that's why many progressives who are left of Clinton no longer really self identify as liberal_at_heart Jan 2014 #267

I like Brown of OH as well. hrmjustin Jan 2014 #268

Message auto-removed Name removed Jan 2014 #304

"our best hope" pipoman Jan 2014 #115

Our Best Hope? bvar22 Jan 2014 #201

Who do you support? hrmjustin Jan 2014 #202

It is a little early yet, bvar22 Jan 2014 #217

I like Brown. hrmjustin Jan 2014 #218

I liked that he vetoed bankruptcy reform twice. BlueCaliDem Jan 2014 #37

I like that stuff too tazkcmo Jan 2014 #161

The Gramm-Leach-Blilely Act was veto-proof. BlueCaliDem Jan 2014 #174

I stand corrected. tazkcmo Jan 2014 #183

President Clinton was correct to have a change of heart re: Glass-Steagall. BlueCaliDem Jan 2014 #189

And thank you for being courteous. BlueCaliDem Jan 2014 #192

When I'm wrong tazkcmo Jan 2014 #213

You're forgetting that Clinton PUSHED those Dems to pass Gramm-Leach-Bliley. Ken Burch Jan 2014 #250

Self loathing????????? Beacool Jan 2014 #73

Just one of the many things duers have tought me about myself. NCTraveler Jan 2014 #135

I know. Beacool Jan 2014 #146

Self-loathing in terms of your core values-didn't mean self-loathing as human beings. Ken Burch Jan 2014 #266

I think that we just have a difference of opinions. Beacool Jan 2014 #314

OK...this thread wasn't just about her, though. Ken Burch Jan 2014 #323

MFN for China, Telecommunications Act, he did a LOT reddread Jan 2014 #124

In my view Clinton's NAFTA+GATT+Welfare Reform are not tiny nor insignificant and Ninga Jan 2014 #275

OK...they're significant...but not in a GOOD way. Ken Burch Jan 2014 #276

Clinton destroyed Haiti's rice farmers and starved their people. L0oniX Jan 2014 #318

OK...we could get a "photo negative" version of the "What have the Romans ever done for us?" scene Ken Burch Jan 2014 #324

What did he do that you liked? Throwing health care overboard in order to pursue his economic Egalitarian Thug Jan 2014 #51

The economy did well under him. hrmjustin Jan 2014 #53

The economy boomed because a revolutionary technology exploded into the the Egalitarian Thug Jan 2014 #56

If you believe that the economy boomed because of a short lived .com bubble AgingAmerican Jan 2014 #98

Did I say that? No. The economy and the stock market had only the most Egalitarian Thug Jan 2014 #101

1993 economic plan AgingAmerican Jan 2014 #178

My short answer is NO. Jackpine Radical Jan 2014 #2

+1 Segami Jan 2014 #38

Maybe if Zombie Hitler were running as a Democrat in the primaries DisgustipatedinCA Jan 2014 #3

Sorry I would vote for Zombie Hitler over a bluedog, namely because he would eat opponents. Katashi_itto Jan 2014 #18

Isn't "Third Way Manny" running on the DLC/Blue Dog platform??? madinmaryland Jan 2014 #6

I can't think of a good reason to vote for one again. Tierra_y_Libertad Jan 2014 #7

No. Things have moved too far right, in wrong direction. on point Jan 2014 #10

I will never vote for Clinton Katashi_itto Jan 2014 #11

And if she wins the nomination? hrmjustin Jan 2014 #13

I will vote 3rd party then. I will not vote for "death by a thousand paper cuts" Katashi_itto Jan 2014 #15

Who do you want then? hrmjustin Jan 2014 #16

No idea. The field is not rife with many options at this point. Katashi_itto Jan 2014 #17

I am jumping off the "lesser evil" merry-go-round. I won't go around on it another time. GoneFishin Jan 2014 #42

You have expressed very well the biggest issue the Democratic Party faces. Egalitarian Thug Jan 2014 #106

Exactly. sendero Jan 2014 #112

Count me out too - been there, done that too many times. polichick Jan 2014 #158

Funny how the 3rd way never moves to the left but pushes the left to move right. L0oniX Jan 2014 #166

Always. bvar22 Jan 2014 #205

Look at the Supreme Court and say that Warpy Jan 2014 #21

In the Nineties, the "Look at the Surpreme Court" argument Ken Burch Jan 2014 #24

I agree with you, especially given that anyone a Democrat Blue Dawg truedelphi Jan 2014 #30

Yes. Because the SCOTUS will sacrifice more people. jeff47 Jan 2014 #50

They don't care. Beacool Jan 2014 #85

As it has apparently escaped your notice, we've been down the rabbit hole and through the looking Egalitarian Thug Jan 2014 #107

Makes you wonder Soundman Jan 2014 #122

Because it is OUR party PowerToThePeople Jan 2014 #134

They believe that they are the only "true" Democrats. Beacool Jan 2014 #152

It is the third wayers destroying the party, not the "purists" PowerToThePeople Jan 2014 #155

If the Tea Party IS destroying the GOP brand, we don't HAVE to choose HRC. Ken Burch Jan 2014 #263

Yeah I know, it's so insufferable to worry about war crimes and the destruction of the working class sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #200

We put what you cynically call "purity" totally to the side in 1992. Ken Burch Jan 2014 #251

Roe v. Wade is one SCOTUS vote from being overturned or limited Gothmog Jan 2014 #283

This isn't about Nader. I'm not advocating voting third-party here. Ken Burch Jan 2014 #291

I am living with the consequences of people buying Nader's crap in 2000 and voting for a third party Gothmog Jan 2014 #34

BS, you are living with the theft of an election that had zero to do with the legalities of politics sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #69

treasonous crime PowerToThePeople Jan 2014 #72

Can't do that, there's too many criminals wearing blue so we have to "look forward". n/t Egalitarian Thug Jan 2014 #108

+1 a significant amount.......nt Enthusiast Jan 2014 #121

You are wrong-Nader's stupidity cost Al Gore both New Hampshire and Florida Gothmog Jan 2014 #281

All Gore won the election, the Feloniouos Five on the SC stole it. End of story. sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #295

I don't back Nader. And HRC isn't the ONLY Dem that can win in 2016. Ken Burch Jan 2014 #278

I will vote for the Democratic nominee Gothmog Jan 2014 #285

^^^This^^^ BlueCaliDem Jan 2014 #40

Yes, we all used to feel that way not so long ago, but you belong to a shrinking minority now that sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #80

Yes, we should do a Bush v Gore 2.0 in 2016. That'll teach those Democrats! BlueCaliDem Jan 2014 #142

'Die hards'? Well, your idea of die hards and mine are obviously different. The die hards who keep sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #177

Yes, Sabrina, we obviously have different takes on what a "die-hard" is, and BlueCaliDem Jan 2014 #181

We lost in 2010 because of the die hards who insisted that we had no choice but to continue to sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #194

You seem to believe the "passionate Left" is in a minority and must settle for junior-partner status Ken Burch Jan 2014 #279

Every candidate that the "'passionate Left" stood behind, had lost. BlueCaliDem Jan 2014 #284

Problem there was that your candidate was unknown, not that he was progressive. Ken Burch Jan 2014 #287

You've misinterpreted my use of the term. BlueCaliDem Jan 2014 #315

OK, I did misinterpret your use of that term. Sorry. Ken Burch Jan 2014 #325

Thank you. And thank you. BlueCaliDem Jan 2014 #327

Yes, let's do that and let's find someone who will make sure we have PROGRESSIVES on the SC rather sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #76

Well, we know that's not going to happen with the Republicans Warpy Jan 2014 #100

Well we've been working that way for decades now and it hasn't worked for millions of people, not sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #173

Many people don't notice the GOP has gone terminal, I wouldn't trust them with the Button uponit7771 Jan 2014 #110

Then it becomes a case of Darwinism of a Civilization scale. Katashi_itto Jan 2014 #227

I see it as "Death by the Corporate and Total Surveillance State Drones" truedelphi Jan 2014 #32

Either way you vote you'll get that Katashi_itto Jan 2014 #49

Yep, either way! truedelphi Jan 2014 #221

Exactly, hence my voting 3rd party Katashi_itto Jan 2014 #225

No problem............. Beacool Jan 2014 #84

How is that supposed to bother me? Katashi_itto Jan 2014 #86

Hillary will be significantly left of Obama. joshcryer Jan 2014 #87

Bully for her. Still won't vote for a corporatist. Katashi_itto Jan 2014 #89

did you vote for Obama? joshcryer Jan 2014 #206

Silly question, yep. I was thinking that "Hope and Change" thing Katashi_itto Jan 2014 #207

fair enough joshcryer Jan 2014 #210

Will she be campaigning to the left of Senator Obama or President Obama? winter is coming Jan 2014 #91

isn't that the question though, Whisp Jan 2014 #169

yes joshcryer Jan 2014 #212

A gamble? More like a sucker bet. n/t winter is coming Jan 2014 #274

The Republicans are banking on 'Democrats' like you AgingAmerican Jan 2014 #99

Well, I guess our party is banking on people like you. Voting yet again for the lesser Katashi_itto Jan 2014 #114

I vote to prevent AgingAmerican Jan 2014 #175

And I have no problems with your strategy. However believing thats the only strategy available is Katashi_itto Jan 2014 #193

The only strategy should be... AgingAmerican Jan 2014 #195

Oh I agree with everything except the last part. I used to vote that way. Saw where it got us Katashi_itto Jan 2014 #196

Well, as a film maker AgingAmerican Jan 2014 #198

Thanks, but if you ever want to get heard, let me know I would be happy to craft a PSA that declares Katashi_itto Jan 2014 #199

A thousand tiny steps treestar Jan 2014 #172

Don't you get it? People have moved way beyond the 'lesser evil' manipulation. We have 'moved sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #64

ok. hrmjustin Jan 2014 #65

Same here. Marr Jan 2014 #92

no. nt Demo_Chris Jan 2014 #12

No. snot Jan 2014 #14

Absolutely CFLDem Jan 2014 #19

That's part of the concern. Ken Burch Jan 2014 #23

Well I guess we have to agree to disagree. CFLDem Jan 2014 #33

You may be right but I think the argument is that we must have someone more progressive rhett o rick Jan 2014 #39

Bill Clinton agrees with Paul Ryan on Medicare. Enthusiast Jan 2014 #123

Are you kidding? whathehell Jan 2014 #133

I owe a wonderful childhood to Bill Clinton's leadership of this country. CFLDem Jan 2014 #143

LOL.. whathehell Jan 2014 #247

Actually CFLDem Jan 2014 #252

Actually.. whathehell Jan 2014 #256

That's unfortunate. CFLDem Jan 2014 #262

Yes, especially since whathehell Jan 2014 #282

Not the best in YOUR generation, maybe. sir pball Jan 2014 #147

LOL.. whathehell Jan 2014 #245

Even though he STILL sees the Left as the enemy? Ken Burch Jan 2014 #280

Absolutely not n/t arcane1 Jan 2014 #20

Of course. The alternative could be worse. aikoaiko Jan 2014 #26

Good question. Seems all we have to choose from right now though Phlem Jan 2014 #27

It's funny how the Tea Party dolts believe President Obama is a socialist/commie Common Sense Party Jan 2014 #148

Good luck fighting the Dem party establishment. elleng Jan 2014 #28

Sadly, I know what you mean. Chan790 Jan 2014 #35

As I've said before, I met and talked to Wayne Powell -- he was a great Dem Nay Jan 2014 #145

very sorry to hear that. Whisp Jan 2014 #154

I don't know to whom he had to apply, but he didn't get a dime. He used Nay Jan 2014 #156

Cantor - in the top ten on my Evil list... Whisp Jan 2014 #163

It is infuriating. It opened my eyes to the whole sham our elections are. nt Nay Jan 2014 #167

No. Chan790 Jan 2014 #29

Not just no, but hell no. woo me with science Jan 2014 #36

I am with woo. nm rhett o rick Jan 2014 #74

Some here are not willing to fight for their freedoms and liberties. They support the status quo rhett o rick Jan 2014 #41

+1000. Also, Dim-Son. LOL. GoneFishin Jan 2014 #44

Which freedoms and liberties, specifically? nt Common Sense Party Jan 2014 #149

Good grief. You really want a list? YOu ask the question as if you cant think of rhett o rick Jan 2014 #214

I wasn't aware of any Democrat who has moved to nullify habeus corpus Common Sense Party Jan 2014 #228

Non-awareness is no excuse. My statement was that some here arent willing to fight for rhett o rick Jan 2014 #234

The whole thread has to do with so-called "third-way" Democrats. Common Sense Party Jan 2014 #236

I said that there are some that are unwilling to fight for their freedoms and liberties. They are rhett o rick Jan 2014 #240

Yep, that's me. Common Sense Party Jan 2014 #241

I see, this is about Obama. The hell with the freedoms and liberties, but how can we defend Obama. rhett o rick Jan 2014 #243

What a revolting, dishonest post you just made. woo me with science Jan 2014 #302

I will continue to work for Democrats who can GET ELECTED... brooklynite Jan 2014 #43

A couple of things. Your "that's good enough for me" is what is killing the middle class. rhett o rick Jan 2014 #58

You seem to spend a lot of time here. By your logic, how do you have time to 'work to get sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #94

Funny you should ask... brooklynite Jan 2014 #286

I never doubted that people walk away from their computers, that was YOUR accusation against sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #296

I think most of us already know what you'll work for. n/t Egalitarian Thug Jan 2014 #109

EVERY nominee becomes DLC/THIRD WAY/BLUE DOG the moment they say something "unprogressive" wyldwolf Jan 2014 #45

Certainly when they get chummy with Goldman-Sachs and the Carlyle Group. nm rhett o rick Jan 2014 #75

and most definitely when a pic surfaces of them within the same 20 mile radius as a Bush wyldwolf Jan 2014 #105

And most definitely when they pardon the Bush Gang and let Gov Siegelman rot in prison. nm rhett o rick Jan 2014 #215

Who pardoned the Bush gang? wyldwolf Jan 2014 #303

****THIS SHOULD BE AN OP***** uponit7771 Jan 2014 #111

You're talking about Democrats, right? 'Once elected they have to govern' which means sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #179

perhaps in YOUR world 'govern' means 'cave and compromise.' wyldwolf Jan 2014 #180

I'm a Democrat so in my world winning means YOU get to set the agenda and compromise doesn't sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #197

when a president wins, she sets the agenda. But there's this inconvenient thing called Congress wyldwolf Jan 2014 #223

And when one party wins control of all three branches of government sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #230

now that the civics lesson is over, tell me how that happens in the current political climate? wyldwolf Jan 2014 #232

The 'current political climate' is no different and in some ways even BETTER than it has always been sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #298

What planet are you living on? wyldwolf Jan 2014 #300

This utter nonsense again? Pretending it's all obstructionism? woo me with science Jan 2014 #330

Reality isn't nonsense wyldwolf Jan 2014 #332

From one desperate Third Way talking point to the next. woo me with science Jan 2014 #333

one progressive magic fairy dust talking point to another. wyldwolf Jan 2014 #334

Seem you are trying to rationalize why Bill Clinton signed NAFTA and killed Glass-Steigall or rhett o rick Jan 2014 #219

Never even crossed my mind, but as long as you're reaching into your faux psychic grab bag... wyldwolf Jan 2014 #224

Ah yes, when you have nothing you always can resort to ridicule. nm rhett o rick Jan 2014 #235

which is better than fake fortune telling. wyldwolf Jan 2014 #237

We're done. nm rhett o rick Jan 2014 #238

we never started. wyldwolf Jan 2014 #239

wrong, one poster started (discussing and being civil) and you never even tried. bobduca Jan 2014 #288

I have no use for anyone who puts words in my mouth or who states his guesses as fact wyldwolf Jan 2014 #293

no violations, nothing to alert bobduca Jan 2014 #294

Just because you didn't like what I had to say doesn't mean it wan't civil. wyldwolf Jan 2014 #301

Exactly. We live in the real world. Adrahil Jan 2014 #307

Hey look everyone, a centrist attacking liberals at DU! bobduca Jan 2014 #316

The problem is the whole political spectrum has shifted right justiceischeap Jan 2014 #46

Yes ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2014 #47

If those who select our presidents Jakes Progress Jan 2014 #48

Sure, if that's who it takes to win. Recursion Jan 2014 #52

Even FDR gets "trashed" on the DU if someone thinks it will make Obama look one scintilla better Fumesucker Jan 2014 #277

+1 nt Adrahil Jan 2014 #308

I may end up voting socialist PowerToThePeople Jan 2014 #54

Contractarian Clinton policy bolstered the Work not Welfare crowd. I think it gave repukes Ed Suspicious Jan 2014 #55

If they get more votes than a progressive liberal in the primary is the only good reason I can think Agnosticsherbet Jan 2014 #57

Um, No. PFunk Jan 2014 #59

This message was self-deleted by its author PowerToThePeople Jan 2014 #60

(sigh) typo ... which I've already corrected PFunk Jan 2014 #95

Only if you are a pro corporate person. Rex Jan 2014 #63

Yes..you could vote for me. OmahaBlueDog Jan 2014 #66

The answer to that is hell fucking no! lonestarnot Jan 2014 #68

This message was self-deleted by its author Drunken Irishman Jan 2014 #71

Why did you vote for one in 92, 96, 2000, '04, '08, and '12? Renew Deal Jan 2014 #78

I guess that the masturbatory posts of the Left will continue for the next two years. Beacool Jan 2014 #79

You are not part of this 'left' you speak of with so much disdain? 'masturbatory'? I have heard sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #81

The rending of the vestments of some people here has become tiresome. Beacool Jan 2014 #83

I can't think of a better time to let the Party know what the voters want. Are you suggesting that sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #88

Who here has declared Hillary the winner? Beacool Jan 2014 #90

Well if you don't like the left stating facts in response to the pushing of a candidate on them sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #96

Thanks for the confession! You are not Left and neither is Hillary. Whisp Jan 2014 #164

How's the weather in Canada? Beacool Jan 2014 #184

It is horrible, Bea. We've had -40, That is the same in Farenheit and the in Celsius and Whisp Jan 2014 #185

I'm in NJ across the river looking into Manhattan. Beacool Jan 2014 #186

I'm in the Canadian prairies, the middle. Whisp Jan 2014 #216

That sounds like a coooooold area. Beacool Jan 2014 #229

Wait, now we're going to revise and say the purists "chose" DLC Obama? joshcryer Jan 2014 #82

If it's the only way to get a Democrat elected, yes. pnwmom Jan 2014 #103

A good reason? I suppose the fact that the Third Wayers are much more likely to get a lot more Douglas Carpenter Jan 2014 #104

so what you are saying FatBuddy Jan 2014 #113

there is a center-right but not completely insane party that at least has some glue to reality and Douglas Carpenter Jan 2014 #117

I prefer republicans over blue dogs RedstDem Jan 2014 #116

ARE YOU NUTS? WinkyDink Jan 2014 #127

yes, i am nuts RedstDem Jan 2014 #139

Tweedle-dum and Tweetle-dummer, eh? Right. WinkyDink Jan 2014 #170

This message was self-deleted by its author Ed Suspicious Jan 2014 #128

Yes - If we want to win. n/t Lil Missy Jan 2014 #118

Not just no, but FUCK NO. 99Forever Jan 2014 #119

Clinton: Balanced budget. No wars to speak of. (Yes, NAFTA was/is awful.) WinkyDink Jan 2014 #125

'no wars to speak of'.... Whisp Jan 2014 #339

I would say that a battle between the Clintonites and the So-Called Progressives is bad news alcibiades_mystery Jan 2014 #126

LOL! ProSense Jan 2014 #137

Why do you hate the left?1! Bobbie Jo Jan 2014 #160

it will be glorious joshcryer Jan 2014 #203

Hell, I might even take the 20 some odd So-Called Progressives I have on ignore off the list alcibiades_mystery Jan 2014 #204

I would highly recommend it joshcryer Jan 2014 #208

What do you mean "So-Called Progressive"? There are a lot more progressives than there centrists Ken Burch Jan 2014 #249

In a word, No. whathehell Jan 2014 #129

When you don't have a better candidate. JoePhilly Jan 2014 #131

Well if you were a more moderate centrist Democrat than I suppose they might represent el_bryanto Jan 2014 #132

Yes, because that is where the most votes are. MO_Moderate Jan 2014 #136

That's the narrative they want us to buy, but if you ask about policies... polichick Jan 2014 #140

It is what our election results show us MO_Moderate Jan 2014 #144

The WHOLE story is that RepubliCons and Third Way "Dems"... polichick Jan 2014 #150

That opinion of the story MO_Moderate Jan 2014 #187

The people are fooled by terms like "moderates" - there's nothing... polichick Jan 2014 #188

That's a pipe-dream I'm afraid Adrahil Jan 2014 #309

It's HOW the story is told that could change things quickly... polichick Jan 2014 #311

Maybe, but I have yet to see it work. Adrahil Jan 2014 #312

Quite a bit of the incremental issue has to do with Dems... polichick Jan 2014 #321

I don't think it's that easy. Adrahil Jan 2014 #322

Not to mention our current Third Way president... polichick Jan 2014 #138

Whining doesn't win elections. JoePhilly Jan 2014 #151

Stating a fact is hardly "whining" - get a grip. polichick Jan 2014 #153

That was a whine. Fact. JoePhilly Jan 2014 #157

Yes, your post was definitely a whine. polichick Jan 2014 #159

Well then isn't it time to stop whining and get busy finding Democratic candidates to vote for sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #182

Agreed about the incumbent. Ken Burch Jan 2014 #290

so that they get elected by some republicans. librechik Jan 2014 #162

No. Le Taz Hot Jan 2014 #165

YES, of course, for self-evident reasons. Coyotl Jan 2014 #168

Except even with a "win" the people lose. polichick Jan 2014 #191

She's no more popular than any other Dem candidate that's being talked about. Ken Burch Jan 2014 #246

You assign that label too easily treestar Jan 2014 #171

No (nt) bigwillq Jan 2014 #176

No. FiveGoodMen Jan 2014 #190

DURec. bvar22 Jan 2014 #209

Could there EVER be a good reason to stop talking about the least useful position in the government? randome Jan 2014 #211

Electabilty? Proud Liberal Dem Jan 2014 #220

I liked Clinton, I like Obama Progressive dog Jan 2014 #222

A gun to my head? 1000words Jan 2014 #226

Yes, that would be a good reason. Ken Burch Jan 2014 #289

That's what it'll take 1000words Jan 2014 #292

I really, really hope Hillary is the nominee in 2016... SidDithers Jan 2014 #231

Wait 'til Warren campaigns for her. nt msanthrope Jan 2014 #253

It doesn't mean anything if Warren does that in the fall of '16. Ken Burch Jan 2014 #259

The Fall of 2015??? nt msanthrope Jan 2014 #261

You know perfectly well there's no good reason for Warren to WANT HRC nominated. Ken Burch Jan 2014 #265

Oh Ken....you are a caution! nt msanthrope Jan 2014 #273

.... Cali_Democrat Jan 2014 #271

LOL!!!! DevonRex Jan 2014 #297

There IS always a bad reason. Agony Jan 2014 #233

never again! liberal_at_heart Jan 2014 #248

Could there ever be a good reason to forget the critical campaigns of 2014? Hekate Jan 2014 #254

FUD'ers gotta FUD... SidDithers Jan 2014 #270

Nobody's forgetting them. Ken Burch Jan 2014 #329

You mean as opposed to Sarah Palin, or Mitt Romney, or Chris Christie, or Paul Ryan, or Squinch Jan 2014 #255

I was talking about who we nominate, not who we'd vote for in the fall. Ken Burch Jan 2014 #258

Ah, that's different. But if Hill is the nominee, I'll vote for her. Squinch Jan 2014 #260

That is ahistorical. Benton D Struckcheon Jan 2014 #257

Absolutely not. Vashta Nerada Jan 2014 #264

Yes. MannyGoldstein Jan 2014 #272

They are predators. They are corporatists who put on Democrat costumes woo me with science Jan 2014 #305

"They are not "centrists." They are corporate fascists"... polichick Jan 2014 #310

The last time we did that LWolf Jan 2014 #306

Well, we didn't KNOW we were doing that in 2008, in all fairness. Ken Burch Jan 2014 #328

Come on, Ken. wyldwolf Jan 2014 #335

In the end, the choice was to take a chance on Obama Ken Burch Jan 2014 #336

Really? When Obama's own words were (from Audacity of Hope)... wyldwolf Jan 2014 #337

We need to make them see. LWolf Jan 2014 #338

Sure - to spark polite, mature, well reasoned political discussion on DU hack89 Jan 2014 #317

Kick. No way in hell. woo me with science Jan 2014 #320

He's getting his fast-tracked TPP! woo me with science Jan 2014 #326

kick woo me with science Jan 2014 #331

Not one good reason to choose Hillitary for the nom. Whisp Jan 2014 #340