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In reply to the discussion: Canada's ex-defense minister: Aliens would give us more tech if we'd stop wars [View all]freshwest
(53,661 posts)17. Perhaps not tangible, but logical. I also don't believe in the big bang, which sounds like a form of
creationism. I think it is the recording of a relatively local event from our view of the galaxies. And that there is no beginning or end to the universe, it would have to be infinite. Because if it is not, what's outside of it, even on the material plane, that we can see and measure?
We hear of different dimensions that are not measurable currently, or at least not adequately explained to the masses, but may be in the future.
Scienctists are doing a great job of demystifying many things. There are laymen claiming their manifestations are not hallucinations, but that they have opened the doors of perception.
Some feel drugs give them a better perception of time and space and another plane of existence. Whether that is a misfiring of the brain, or a gift of imagination, can be shown with tests, but not all. So it's subjective, anecdotal and does not meet an empirical standard. Yet.
To me, the universe and reality is perceived from points of view or perspectives. Very much like human society and thinking. Some are of the opinion that only their view is right, and anything else is heresy, woo or stupidity. I find this disappointing from those who claim intelligence and believe in science, but unproductive, as it ends the search.
I prefer the scientific method so that something useful can be replicated or used to create something, and not just entertainment. But many great minds have been suppressed over the years by scientific conformity, and more so as we now see, profitable conformity.
It disallows anything that doesn't add to a particular calling or their sphere of influence. IOW, some associations are not what they seem.
Do you think Michio Kaku's views on aliens, living in artificial bodies and his definition of terrorism are woo or cutting edge?
He seems to have taken on the mantle Carl Sagan once wore of popularizing science to Americans.
We hear of different dimensions that are not measurable currently, or at least not adequately explained to the masses, but may be in the future.
Scienctists are doing a great job of demystifying many things. There are laymen claiming their manifestations are not hallucinations, but that they have opened the doors of perception.
Some feel drugs give them a better perception of time and space and another plane of existence. Whether that is a misfiring of the brain, or a gift of imagination, can be shown with tests, but not all. So it's subjective, anecdotal and does not meet an empirical standard. Yet.
To me, the universe and reality is perceived from points of view or perspectives. Very much like human society and thinking. Some are of the opinion that only their view is right, and anything else is heresy, woo or stupidity. I find this disappointing from those who claim intelligence and believe in science, but unproductive, as it ends the search.
I prefer the scientific method so that something useful can be replicated or used to create something, and not just entertainment. But many great minds have been suppressed over the years by scientific conformity, and more so as we now see, profitable conformity.
It disallows anything that doesn't add to a particular calling or their sphere of influence. IOW, some associations are not what they seem.
Do you think Michio Kaku's views on aliens, living in artificial bodies and his definition of terrorism are woo or cutting edge?
He seems to have taken on the mantle Carl Sagan once wore of popularizing science to Americans.
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Canada's ex-defense minister: Aliens would give us more tech if we'd stop wars [View all]
TreasonousBastard
Jan 2014
OP
This guy was a defense minister. This stuff is all over the place. It's become a religion to some.
freshwest
Jan 2014
#6
Perhaps not tangible, but logical. I also don't believe in the big bang, which sounds like a form of
freshwest
Jan 2014
#17
I 100% agree. I had high hopes for SETI but nothing so far, but radio waves....
Logical
Jan 2014
#16
How do you explain the cave paintings, rock paintings/drawings and carved figurines resembling
Ghost in the Machine
Jan 2014
#18
Yes, I've seen and read about different pyramid shaped structures in different parts of the world...
Ghost in the Machine
Jan 2014
#25
"Therefore, anyone telling us aliens don't exist is probably an alien!!" LOL!!!!
Ghost in the Machine
Jan 2014
#26
"Please explain where I said there is no other life forms!".... ummmmm....
Ghost in the Machine
Jan 2014
#28
he should get a job as an analyst/commentator for the History Channel
Douglas Carpenter
Jan 2014
#23