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Sancho

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204. Clearly you don't get the point then...

Wed Jan 8, 2014, 04:38 PM

Jan 2014

your first sentence gives away your poor logic. Every day, science and chemistry progress - so you cannot state that anything is "no longer a mystery". Real science never completely "understands" anything.

Next, your assertion that "it's just water" doesn't hold water. We established that in the last post.

Calling me ignorant is a personal attack, which also reveals something about yourself. BTW, I'm not ignorant - in fact I'm highly educated. I don't personally have a direct research interest in hydrology, but I'm pretty knowledgeable and formally trained in research. Actually, you don't understand the basic science and I don't have time to discuss detailed chemistry on DU.

You really need to study the history of science more, and maybe participate in some actual science. I doubt it would change your mind or emotional reaction - but you are simply wrong in your assertions.

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From your link: "treating the individual with highly diluted substances" Ohio Joe Jan 2014 #183

check some of the references�. Sancho Jan 2014 #186

"Some" Ohio Joe Jan 2014 #187

In the late 1800's, "some" MD's at Dartmouth Medical school thought that smoking caused cancer!! Sancho Jan 2014 #190

It is not 'difficult' to detect... It's water Ohio Joe Jan 2014 #191

The effects of processing with water are hard to detect... Sancho Jan 2014 #193

It is not hard to detect... It is a "memory"... More commonly known as only water Ohio Joe Jan 2014 #194

...you aren't getting the point... Sancho Jan 2014 #198

Complete non-sense Ohio Joe Jan 2014 #201

Clearly you don't get the point then... Sancho Jan 2014 #204

Yes... And science is simply refusing to acknowledge this miracle Ohio Joe Jan 2014 #205

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Yeah... Ohio Joe Jan 2014 #209

Ok...you simply don't get the logic... Sancho Jan 2014 #212

All that pesky science stuff still in your way? Ohio Joe Jan 2014 #213

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"even if there's not a clear "scientific" reason" Ohio Joe Jan 2014 #218

If you have questions about the content of any of these... Sancho Jan 2014 #221

Right... Not going to post it Ohio Joe Jan 2014 #223

Because I think the science group isn't interested in continuing to debate with you... Sancho Jan 2014 #224

You think the Science Group would believe this non-sense? Ohio Joe Jan 2014 #226

A thread that says "Ohio Joe is wrong" is not a topic for the science group... Sancho Jan 2014 #227

How about a thread that says "The science behind Homeopathy"? Ohio Joe Jan 2014 #228

I'm not defending the practice of homeopathy - you're the one who introduced it!!! Sancho Jan 2014 #229

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You can post references but...I'm waiting for your apology.... Sancho Jan 2014 #232

There's piles of stuff to keep you up for a few nights, it's not "just water"!! Sancho Jan 2014 #217

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No I most definitely am not! nt Tumbulu Jan 2014 #166

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Ooh Saviolo Jan 2014 #146

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This message was self-deleted by its author ElboRuum Jan 2014 #118

Yes, that, and a point... ElboRuum Jan 2014 #119

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No. ElboRuum Jan 2014 #100

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Ok... here... ElboRuum Jan 2014 #128

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What cause is that? ElboRuum Jan 2014 #141

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Anti-woo crowd on DU Ms. Toad Jan 2014 #22

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Unfortunately, I can't agree with this... ElboRuum Jan 2014 #115

You are proving my point - Ms. Toad Jan 2014 #125

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The difference is easy Scootaloo Jan 2014 #16

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That is EXACTLY how it's being used. Scootaloo Jan 2014 #34

^^THIS^^ longship Jan 2014 #39

I'm not distinguishing it Ms. Toad Jan 2014 #40

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^^^ this. nt laundry_queen Jan 2014 #112

And you're illustrating my point Scootaloo Jan 2014 #133

ridiculous KT2000 Jan 2014 #134

absurd Scootaloo Jan 2014 #137

Talking about cures before a germ theory *was* woo, in fact Recursion Jan 2014 #17

Lead still cannot be converted into gold Art_from_Ark Jan 2014 #47

Teach the controversy! Recursion Jan 2014 #53

Nice try Art_from_Ark Jan 2014 #113

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LOL !!! WillyT Jan 2014 #29

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no. woo is not a hypothesis or an experiment La Lioness Priyanka Jan 2014 #85

Bingo. Deep13 Jan 2014 #143

brilliantly said. nt La Lioness Priyanka Jan 2014 #144

Most of what has been considered bunk, remains bunk. We simply remember the rare successes most. Silent3 Jan 2014 #87

We didn't have the means to investigate some of those fields NuclearDem Jan 2014 #97

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I have a serious question for supporters of woo. Marr Jan 2014 #132

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Science moves on when something proves ineffective. Marr Jan 2014 #165

This is why Carl Sagan's The Demon Haunted World should sufrommich Jan 2014 #149

No, there was not such a time. gcomeau Jan 2014 #151

Dreaming of flying to the moon with ballistic rockets & space suits isn't woo. baldguy Jan 2014 #161

We'd already gone to the moon when 'Scientific Research' still claimed being gay was Bluenorthwest Jan 2014 #163

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I think it's all in what the definition of woo is to a specific person justiceischeap Jan 2014 #182

Yes, you are misunderstanding woo. NuclearDem Jan 2014 #189