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143. If you were only interested in your own feelings

Reply to 99Forever (Reply #142)

Thu Jan 9, 2014, 08:52 PM

Jan 2014

perhaps you weren't such a good ally to begin with.

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The problem is that white people see racism as conscious hate [View all] cinnabonbon Jan 2014 OP

Bingo Capt. Obvious Jan 2014 #1

Another problem is that people see racism as implying culpability or guilt. el_bryanto Jan 2014 #2

yes, that is a good point. cinnabonbon Jan 2014 #4

If racism is about access, privilege and systematic oppression KurtNYC Jan 2014 #8

I wish I could rec this comment. n/t cinnabonbon Jan 2014 #13

That is a really good video. And makes a lot of sense. nt el_bryanto Jan 2014 #22

Excellent video. nt DLevine Jan 2014 #60

Holy Shit.. SomethingFishy Jan 2014 #162

Would that work both ways? firsttimer Jan 2014 #3

It will be here as long as cinnabonbon Jan 2014 #5

No. Shandris Jan 2014 #18

You weren't here cinnabonbon Jan 2014 #109

I meant most people are willing to admit there is a problem with racism. Shandris Jan 2014 #130

Racism doesn't exist because of "belief". It exists because of social practices supported by El_Johns Jan 2014 #105

Exactly. cinnabonbon Jan 2014 #108

the people who have (some) power? That's what I think is pernicious about this kind of thing. El_Johns Jan 2014 #128

I was trying to be generous to the white folks who feels stepped on when we talk about privilege. cinnabonbon Jan 2014 #129

Bloomberg doesn't act for "whites". He acts for the 1%, and his policies also harm working class El_Johns Jan 2014 #131

Part of the problem drmeow Jan 2014 #9

The difference between racism and prejudice: KurtNYC Jan 2014 #6

Excellent explanation. cinnabonbon Jan 2014 #7

The guy who made the video I linked in #8 nails it and takes it on pragmatically KurtNYC Jan 2014 #10

I'm already subscribed to him on youtube. ;) cinnabonbon Jan 2014 #12

"Most white people don't like to hear that they benefit on the backs of others" Number23 Jan 2014 #19

They are the worst. cinnabonbon Jan 2014 #24

This is probably one of the most succinct and beautiful sentences I've read here on the subject Number23 Jan 2014 #31

Thank you. I think words are powerful cinnabonbon Jan 2014 #49

Both these posts are great. Thanks for posting this dialogue. n/t freshwest Jan 2014 #104

Racism benefits employers KurtNYC Jan 2014 #25

and sexism, it was fine w/many that women got paid shit when we didn't compete for the same jobs bettyellen Jan 2014 #37

Exactly. In another thread on changing attitudes about college KurtNYC Jan 2014 #67

Which is why it pisses me off so much when people scapegoat "illegals" for declining wages. nomorenomore08 Jan 2014 #56

I look again at the semantics -- we call it "illegal aliens" not "illegal hiring" KurtNYC Jan 2014 #71

And if the illegal hiring was punished harshly, there'd be less illegal aliens 7962 Jan 2014 #132

I think maybe some white folks have a hard time seeing it.. SomethingFishy Jan 2014 #164

Racism is the belief that one race is superior to other races. That is why anyone can be a racist. 7962 Jan 2014 #38

Institutional racism isn't about personal belief. ronnie624 Jan 2014 #126

thanks...very good article noiretextatique Jan 2014 #11

Denial is not just a river in Egypt. cinnabonbon Jan 2014 #14

No, it wouldn't be so easy for the to manipulate the working poor... Shandris Jan 2014 #21

You should read this Number23 Jan 2014 #27

It -is- a theory. Shandris Jan 2014 #36

It really is a very simplistic article, I agree with you. 7962 Jan 2014 #40

The fact that some feel under attack doesn't mean that it's a theory. Or that it isn't true Number23 Jan 2014 #41

Okay, I don't think I'm being quite clear enough here because... Shandris Jan 2014 #52

don't forget "teh gay" noiretextatique Jan 2014 #86

so...the rw manipulates poor whites noiretextatique Jan 2014 #85

Americans are kept purposely stupid about wealth inequality in this nation RainDog Jan 2014 #93

thanks, RainDog noiretextatique Jan 2014 #136

... RainDog Jan 2014 #137

right noiretextatique Jan 2014 #151

sorry...that's nonsense noiretextatique Jan 2014 #84

the fact is that there are some racist whites who feel a Black man being President means there is JI7 Jan 2014 #87

Message auto-removed Name removed Jan 2014 #116

bullshit...again noiretextatique Jan 2014 #152

This is why drmeow Jan 2014 #15

When it all comes down to it cinnabonbon Jan 2014 #34

A *few* decent things here, but there are many, and I do mean *MANY*, issues as well. AverageJoe90 Jan 2014 #16

You are missing an important bit of information. Maedhros Jan 2014 #35

I'm sorry, but it really doesn't change the fact of the matter. It just doesn't. AverageJoe90 Jan 2014 #43

America in 1501? seveneyes Jan 2014 #53

might be referring Niceguy1 Jan 2014 #59

I was referring to the predominantly African slave trade in America Maedhros Jan 2014 #62

"America" existed before the United States. [n/t] Maedhros Jan 2014 #61

you mean the Americas? Niceguy1 Jan 2014 #65

Your impression is mistaken. El_Johns Jan 2014 #106

I'm baffled by your motives here. Maedhros Jan 2014 #69

"I'm baffled by your motives here." You shouldn't be, TBH.....no offense. AverageJoe90 Jan 2014 #73

Misery poker is pathetic [n/t] Maedhros Jan 2014 #75

It's an emotional thing. ronnie624 Jan 2014 #127

what about the rest of the world? Niceguy1 Jan 2014 #58

I'm not following your point. Maedhros Jan 2014 #63

well people talk about the American slave as if it was Niceguy1 Jan 2014 #68

We are somewhat different from Europe when it comes to the slave trade. Maedhros Jan 2014 #74

which would be expected since Niceguy1 Jan 2014 #78

Europeans continued slavery via colonialism RainDog Jan 2014 #89

Perhaps not so much different then. Maedhros Jan 2014 #102

King Leopold's Ghost is a great book RainDog Jan 2014 #103

How about the rest of the Americas, and the Caribbean? Brazil's slave trade was longer & El_Johns Jan 2014 #107

The Nazis used slave labor as well. AverageJoe90 Jan 2014 #76

On principle I try to avoi saying that one oppression is worse than the other. They're all bad. n/t cinnabonbon Jan 2014 #77

In a sense, you do have a good point. AverageJoe90 Jan 2014 #79

Fair enough. cinnabonbon Jan 2014 #81

Exactly! Blue_Roses Jan 2014 #150

Welcome to DU LittleBlue Jan 2014 #17

Thanks! cinnabonbon Jan 2014 #20

There are many here who are quick to go after newcomers neffernin Jan 2014 #47

Ah, okay. That's good to know. cinnabonbon Jan 2014 #54

Hard to believe that a jury let this really obvious attempt at thread trolling go 3-3 Number23 Jan 2014 #23

I think I missed something. cinnabonbon Jan 2014 #26

Don't worry about it. Someone's just trying to accuse you of something and distract from the Number23 Jan 2014 #28

Why am I not surprised that someone would feel like they'd have to cinnabonbon Jan 2014 #30

Good jury, then LittleBlue Jan 2014 #29

LOL I'll save my thank you's for the ones who saw through what you were trying to do Number23 Jan 2014 #32

I've been here 3 yrs and have no idea whats being pointed out/denied. Help. 7962 Jan 2014 #44

I think that person was trying to insinuate that the OP was a disruptor. Particularly as they post Number23 Jan 2014 #46

I feel very ignorant for assuming HOF meant Hall of Fame neffernin Jan 2014 #48

Thanks. HOF threw me! 7962 Jan 2014 #55

You're welcome (I was juror #4): Nye Bevan Jan 2014 #125

That's a pretty obnoxious comment. Ms. Toad Jan 2014 #83

You know what cinnabonbon Jan 2014 #112

You're welcome. n/t Ms. Toad Jan 2014 #118

That's just a tad obnoxious Capt. Obvious Jan 2014 #123

rec Demo_Chris Jan 2014 #33

great post, and sorely needed here... bettyellen Jan 2014 #39

Racism is racism no matter how you cut it. It has caused people to murder. I told people in my Lint Head Jan 2014 #42

try interracial dating.... Niceguy1 Jan 2014 #72

Yes it does. What some people don't get is that the prefix of rascism is race. Any race. Lint Head Jan 2014 #92

I was just told by another poster that blacks can only be racist against other blacks 7962 Jan 2014 #147

Definition, rac�ism. Lint Head Jan 2014 #149

That is very good cinnabonbon Jan 2014 #113

Rec'd! nt babylonsister Jan 2014 #45

I look forward to the day that this is behind us and color truly becomes skin deep neffernin Jan 2014 #50

Me too! cinnabonbon Jan 2014 #51

Americans are weird on this topic.... Spitfire of ATJ Jan 2014 #57

America is a racist, sexist, classist culture. RainDog Jan 2014 #64

"The reality is the wealth of the western world was built on the backs of slaves." cinnabonbon Jan 2014 #80

Great post but a hair off, the avarice is biggest and deepest problem TheKentuckian Jan 2014 #98

Oh goody. 99Forever Jan 2014 #66

when white guys have talked about their hardships RainDog Jan 2014 #70

how about a white responsibility thread? noiretextatique Jan 2014 #88

That is too bad. cinnabonbon Jan 2014 #114

"The real conversation?" 99Forever Jan 2014 #119

That is your prerogative cinnabonbon Jan 2014 #120

Hogwash. 99Forever Jan 2014 #138

It's about the way systemic racism impacts perceptions of groups RainDog Jan 2014 #140

If you're a white person you know the history of western imperialism cinnabonbon Jan 2014 #141

Mission accomplished. 99Forever Jan 2014 #142

If you were only interested in your own feelings cinnabonbon Jan 2014 #143

You assume a whole... 99Forever Jan 2014 #144

No. cinnabonbon Jan 2014 #145

But you could also talk about Asian imperialism, Muslim imperialism, etc 7962 Jan 2014 #148

Excellent OP malaise Jan 2014 #82

Completely agree. I can attest to the validity of this. Egalitarian Thug Jan 2014 #90

Orwell - 1984 - Doublespeak Glassunion Jan 2014 #91

Yours is about the only good post on racism I've seen here. Wish it has its own thread. KentuckyWoman Jan 2014 #97

Awesome. redgreenandblue Jan 2014 #111

Honestly, this is one of the most best-written and well thought out replies I've seen............... AverageJoe90 Jan 2014 #165

is there some new slang meaning for the word "ratchet"? hfojvt Jan 2014 #94

yes, there is, it's a new way of saying "ghetto", but i think they misused it. dionysus Jan 2014 #158

Racism... MellowDem Jan 2014 #95

Those pesky white people. KentuckyWoman Jan 2014 #96

I'm genuinley saddened cinnabonbon Jan 2014 #115

K&R Solly Mack Jan 2014 #99

There is no such thing as 'reverse racism' AgingAmerican Jan 2014 #100

raicsm is thinking that you deserve more simply because of the colour of your skin politicman Jan 2014 #101

it goes even further than that. cinnabonbon Jan 2014 #110

Message auto-removed Name removed Jan 2014 #121

It goes deeper - TBF Jan 2014 #117

Very good explanation of the situation we have today. cinnabonbon Jan 2014 #122

+1000 Starry Messenger Jan 2014 #124

"someone with a different color skin and keeping them at an economic disadvantage." Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2014 #155

I hear you and I've thought TBF Jan 2014 #156

Your point, any race can be racist, is something many forget. Or wont admit. 7962 Jan 2014 #133

Blacks can be racist against blacks athena Jan 2014 #139

You gotta be kidding me. So a white guy who's discriminated against should just go work elsewhere?? 7962 Jan 2014 #146

This: AgingAmerican Jan 2014 #134

Maybe I'm reading you wrong cinnabonbon Jan 2014 #135

I'm saying it's racist period AgingAmerican Jan 2014 #153

In this OP cinnabonbon Jan 2014 #154

You have a very narrow definition of racism AgingAmerican Jan 2014 #157

Very wide. cinnabonbon Jan 2014 #159

You completely missed what I said AgingAmerican Jan 2014 #160

and you missed what I said, apparently. cinnabonbon Jan 2014 #161

You seem to believe that all racism is about 'white' people. AgingAmerican Jan 2014 #163

here, I'll ask you one more question and then we can part as friends. cinnabonbon Jan 2014 #166

what country did this person grow up in? noiretextatique Jan 2014 #167

To be honest cinnabonbon Jan 2014 #169

Agree. ananda Jan 2014 #168