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9. You call that an insult? :-)

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I hate Christie, but I am not sure Christie knew anything about this..... [View all] Logical Jan 2014 OP

I agree with you. jschurchin Jan 2014 #1

The thing is, he was DELIBERATELY ignorant. pnwmom Jan 2014 #98

After Maddow's segments last night... gcomeau Jan 2014 #136

think you need to turn on the Rachael Maddow show notadmblnd Jan 2014 #2

I am taping it and will watch it later. Thanks! nt Logical Jan 2014 #5

this thread explains what the motive was very well notadmblnd Jan 2014 #28

Good idea, I'll catch it later on a repeat on the net. I'm really curious about what she RKP5637 Jan 2014 #17

the involved players are too close to him for him not to know NightWatcher Jan 2014 #3

Agreed! dballance Jan 2014 #60

Not if he has a culture of vindictiveness BlueStreak Jan 2014 #79

I agree with you, Christie is too smart to do this ... that said, I think he creates the RKP5637 Jan 2014 #4

I agree, his bullying attitude made them think it was the thing to do. n-t Logical Jan 2014 #7

NOBODY is "smarter" than Governor Soprano: taking and obeying orders just isn't his style. rocktivity Jan 2014 #42

I think he may have been smart enough not to ask too many questions... tulsakatz Jan 2014 #51

Interesting, thanks! n/t RKP5637 Jan 2014 #106

Wow DURHAM D Jan 2014 #6

You call that an insult? :-) Logical Jan 2014 #9

I was not trying to insult. DURHAM D Jan 2014 #14

Watch the rerun of todays Rachel Maddow's show or avebury Jan 2014 #8

But his staff could of planned it on their own because of that. n-t Logical Jan 2014 #11

He has a history of micromanaging his office. avebury Jan 2014 #29

Good points. nt Logical Jan 2014 #32

Additional points. avebury Jan 2014 #49

Being a mirco-manager sometimes blinds a person to actual reality of Historic NY Jan 2014 #52

What tends to make his story unbelievable is how avebury Jan 2014 #62

I couldn't agree more!! tulsakatz Jan 2014 #58

in another DU post, it says: tulsakatz Jan 2014 #56

it sure seems like his "this was news to me" is going to fall apart pretty quickly renate Jan 2014 #73

yes & the more investigations there are.... tulsakatz Jan 2014 #74

Precisely. thanks tulsakatz nm Cha Jan 2014 #75

you're welcome.... tulsakatz Jan 2014 #101

Too early to say. Ilsa Jan 2014 #10

I also think it's too early to tell davidpdx Jan 2014 #88

There's a sucker born every minute. William769 Jan 2014 #12

haha....n/t tulsakatz Jan 2014 #59

I don't think he knew it was going to be revealed yesterday ... Kablooie Jan 2014 #13

There ya go.. he didn't know it was going Cha Jan 2014 #76

Must disagree. Watch Rachel Maddow tonight. It suddenly all makes sense. IllinoisBirdWatcher Jan 2014 #15

But his staff could have decided to do this on their own. To shelter him. n-t Logical Jan 2014 #19

Watch the video and HIS personal threat to the Senate. IllinoisBirdWatcher Jan 2014 #38

don't they call that plausible deniability? tulsakatz Jan 2014 #63

See all the comments on the LINK below Tx4obama Jan 2014 #16

People like Christie can be pretty goddamned convincing. nt ProgressSaves Jan 2014 #18

Yes, I will admit I believe him. I usually have a good BS meter. n-t Logical Jan 2014 #21

No way -- He's the biggest control freak out of New Jersey since Jon Bon Jovi. rocktivity Jan 2014 #20

I hope you are right. I would love to see him go down in flames. n-t Logical Jan 2014 #23

Rachel blew the lid off this and provided a solid motive Major Nikon Jan 2014 #22

I have it DVRed. Will watch later. n-t Logical Jan 2014 #26

Who's the "animal" now, Christie? Cha Jan 2014 #77

If this story had just surfaced it may be easier to believe he did not know Bjorn Against Jan 2014 #24

From what I have read ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2014 #25

Oh Please! dem in texas Jan 2014 #27

He knew warrior1 Jan 2014 #30

I listened to the whole press conference. I didn't hear him deflect a single question... cherokeeprogressive Jan 2014 #31

I agree. If he thought anyone might crack he would not have denied it like he did. n-t Logical Jan 2014 #34

He certainly painted himself into a corner, without hesitation or equivocation. cherokeeprogressive Jan 2014 #47

are you kidding? tulsakatz Jan 2014 #65

I hope he was lying. Because then he is 100% done!! But I don't think he was. n-t Logical Jan 2014 #66

"I did not have sexual relations with that woman, Monica Lewinski." Bluenorthwest Jan 2014 #120

The length of the press conference was strange. athena Jan 2014 #129

There is that. n/t cherokeeprogressive Jan 2014 #132

Then he's a clueless buffoon. But I don't believe he didn't know. 6000eliot Jan 2014 #33

It certainly reeks of Christie-like practices TheCowsCameHome Jan 2014 #35

Bully bosses..and micro managers know everything that is going on at every level... HipChick Jan 2014 #36

I don't hate Christie and I doubt that he was surprised. Gormy Cuss Jan 2014 #37

Why do you not hate Christie? nt Logical Jan 2014 #41

"Will no-one rid me of the troublesome priest?" WinkyDink Jan 2014 #39

Check out this article published in the WSJ Dec 12th herding cats Jan 2014 #40

Wow, good find. Interesting. n-t Logical Jan 2014 #44

i just found the discussion here in GD. herding cats Jan 2014 #46

exactly! tulsakatz Jan 2014 #67

'Cause he doesn't get it .. that there's a bunch Cha Jan 2014 #81

yes, the coverup always gets them in the end!! n/t tulsakatz Jan 2014 #102

I don't! tulsakatz Jan 2014 #43

I agree except that Watergate did not have national security or emergency management arthritisR_US Jan 2014 #57

good point! tulsakatz Jan 2014 #69

Back in the days of Watergate it was as huge a story as this one is and it arthritisR_US Jan 2014 #78

so do I! tulsakatz Jan 2014 #83

Wow, my Mum had me watching it for the very same reason! I originate from Wales but have arthritisR_US Jan 2014 #85

it's national news in Canada? tulsakatz Jan 2014 #87

On the National, the first story was about the the flu worry here and the second story went arthritisR_US Jan 2014 #93

yes, I hope it continues too... tulsakatz Jan 2014 #96

The height of absurdity. Atman Jan 2014 #45

exactly - despite his disclaimer - he is a bully and no one would make such a move without direct grantcart Jan 2014 #50

Good point, I imagine they were scared to do almost anything on their own. n-t Logical Jan 2014 #55

AND to send an email Skittles Jan 2014 #61

sometimes people in this situation can do really stupid things.... tulsakatz Jan 2014 #103

exactly!! Who would think it's a good idea to expose yourself to that kind of risk... tulsakatz Jan 2014 #70

Then you predict that he will be exposed as instigating this? Yes or No? n-t Logical Jan 2014 #140

Why did he not return the mayor's phone calls? randome Jan 2014 #48

that's what I want to know!! tulsakatz Jan 2014 #71

The BIG problem for Christie is how he HANDLED the situation. He NEVER investigated. He just blew it RBInMaine Jan 2014 #53

doesn't matter Skittles Jan 2014 #54

+ 1000 nt Logical Jan 2014 #64

Wanna buy a bridge? I have three for sale; rock bottom price for cash on all three. Zorra Jan 2014 #68

If you are serious PM me! nt Logical Jan 2014 #72

I'd prefer to conduct negotiations publicly, so there could be little dispute Zorra Jan 2014 #92

Sen. Loretta Weinberg, NJ Senate Democratic leader: "There are so many holes in this story." Hissyspit Jan 2014 #80

Bull-fucking-shit. Iggo Jan 2014 #82

Christie is a damn liar. jsr Jan 2014 #84

He's lying BainsBane Jan 2014 #86

objectively, as of this moment - I would have to say, "I don't know!" This could change with new Douglas Carpenter Jan 2014 #89

Disagree. Staff don't go off-reservation in such a big way -- such a major action which El_Johns Jan 2014 #90

I just use the logic test. dilby Jan 2014 #91

I agree with you, and ... renate Jan 2014 #95

Rachel Maddow's theory makes more TBF Jan 2014 #107

disagree MFM008 Jan 2014 #94

It happened on his watch. He's responsible. hamsterjill Jan 2014 #97

So, the best that could be said is he acted so as to maintain pnwmom Jan 2014 #99

As a manager, you create the "organizational culture" quaker bill Jan 2014 #100

He said he had not slept JustAnotherGen Jan 2014 #104

I think Christie was only caught off guard with the emails they riversedge Jan 2014 #105

Not Buying His BS... But These Days I Find Too Ma ny ChiciB1 Jan 2014 #108

Nah, he knew and it is going to cost him his political career. Rex Jan 2014 #109

time and multiple investigations will tell. speculation makes no difference. spanone Jan 2014 #110

Even if you're right (for the sake of argument) Blue_Tires Jan 2014 #111

only one thing I think he didn't know loveandlight Jan 2014 #112

If that is true, "incompetent" is a charitable description of his leadership skills. nt IdaBriggs Jan 2014 #113

Bwa ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha. lonestarnot Jan 2014 #114

We will see! nt Logical Jan 2014 #118

I second that. Rex Jan 2014 #127

Snort. lonestarnot Jan 2014 #147

You are easily fooled, or willfully ignorant. Ikonoklast Jan 2014 #115

Ahhh, someone doesn't like me! My feelings are hurt! When..... Logical Jan 2014 #117

Uhhh, what? Ikonoklast Jan 2014 #122

Then you predict that he will be exposed as instigating this? Yes or No? n-t Logical Jan 2014 #141

Yes. Wildstein is seeking immunity, no way does that turd want to go to prison. Ikonoklast Jan 2014 #144

Immunity against criminal charges of shutting down the bridge. n-t Logical Jan 2014 #145

He will be deposed. No subject or question is off limits. Ikonoklast Jan 2014 #148

I hope you are right. But either he really didn't know so he is going to get off.... Logical Jan 2014 #149

I find it difficult to believe that his staff endanger their careers... Orsino Jan 2014 #116

Message auto-removed Name removed Jan 2014 #119

I disagree Aerows Jan 2014 #121

I love the smell of contrariness in the morning - smells like bullshit. tenderfoot Jan 2014 #123

David Simon: "The highway's jammed with broken heroes..." muriel_volestrangler Jan 2014 #124

In order to believe this you have to... Javaman Jan 2014 #125

^ + 100,000,000,000 -- squared. Atman Jan 2014 #126

Not to mention we are supposed to believe he didn't get an accounting of emails sent to .... Hassin Bin Sober Jan 2014 #131

Then you predict that he will be exposed as instigating this? Yes or No? n-t Logical Jan 2014 #139

+1 uponit7771 Jan 2014 #156

I think he's going for broke... polichick Jan 2014 #128

ok, let'sgo with "he didn't order it", for a minute. this story has been kicking around for months dionysus Jan 2014 #130

+1 uponit7771 Jan 2014 #157

to my mind it is not Epiphany4z Jan 2014 #133

WOW, WOW, WOW! ChiciB1 Jan 2014 #134

If you still think this after watching Maddow's segment last night... gcomeau Jan 2014 #135

Nice to see you extend the benefit of doubt to a select few. Interesting..... Tarheel_Dem Jan 2014 #137

Then you predict that he will be exposed as instigating this? Yes or No? n-t Logical Jan 2014 #142

No prediction. Like I said, I find it "interesting" who you're willing to extend the.... Tarheel_Dem Jan 2014 #150

Who am I not? Quit playing cute and whining and just say it. n-t Logical Jan 2014 #153

Unlikely given his lack of response at the time karynnj Jan 2014 #138

i cannot fathom that you would fire your top aide and have no conversation regarding motive. spanone Jan 2014 #143

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!! backscatter712 Jan 2014 #146

Bless your innocent heart! That being said, I think it's leading you astray here. whathehell Jan 2014 #151

I hope he goes down. I want the political world rid of him. n-t Logical Jan 2014 #155

Do you want him to go down whathehell Jan 2014 #161

Yes actually. I think he is an evil bully. But I don't think he knew about the bridge deal. n-t Logical Jan 2014 #162

I got ya. n/t whathehell Jan 2014 #164

Great. The plausible deniability argument. We'll see, won't we. ancianita Jan 2014 #152

His closes allies, assistants, and advisors were involved. Agnosticsherbet Jan 2014 #154

Post removed Post removed Jan 2014 #158

Managers tend to avoid doing things that the boss will disapprove of. lumberjack_jeff Jan 2014 #159

I think Christie knew. I think Sokolich knew. Bookmark this post while you're at it. randome Jan 2014 #160

He is the governor, it was in his state, it was the busiest bridge in USA and he didn't know? dem in texas Jan 2014 #163

Nope...not buying it...using logic would come to other conclusions Sheepshank Jan 2014 #165