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tulsakatz

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43. I don't!

Thu Jan 9, 2014, 11:08 PM

Jan 2014

....but I also understand why you may think he didn't know.

First of all, someone had to suggest this idea & once suggested someone somewhere had to approve & coordinate it.

And during his re-election, it seems odd to me that Christie never wondered why all of these cars were stopped on the busiest bridge in the country!! Sure, they could have said it was a traffic study but he then should've asked what kind of a study & why it was being done now?

And if he didn't ask those questions that suggests that maybe he already knew why traffic had come to a standstill & knew enough not to ask more questions.

Remember, even during Watergate, senior journalists at the Washington Post didn't believe Nixon could be involved in something that stupid since he was cruising to an easy re-election victory!!

I think Christie is guilty of negligence at the very least if not actively involved....

This thing is a LOT like Watergate! Beginning with Nixon's claim that, "I'm not a crook" & Christie's claim today that "I'm not a bully"....even though we all know he is a bully!

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I hate Christie, but I am not sure Christie knew anything about this..... [View all] Logical Jan 2014 OP

I agree with you. jschurchin Jan 2014 #1

The thing is, he was DELIBERATELY ignorant. pnwmom Jan 2014 #98

After Maddow's segments last night... gcomeau Jan 2014 #136

think you need to turn on the Rachael Maddow show notadmblnd Jan 2014 #2

I am taping it and will watch it later. Thanks! nt Logical Jan 2014 #5

this thread explains what the motive was very well notadmblnd Jan 2014 #28

Good idea, I'll catch it later on a repeat on the net. I'm really curious about what she RKP5637 Jan 2014 #17

the involved players are too close to him for him not to know NightWatcher Jan 2014 #3

Agreed! dballance Jan 2014 #60

Not if he has a culture of vindictiveness BlueStreak Jan 2014 #79

I agree with you, Christie is too smart to do this ... that said, I think he creates the RKP5637 Jan 2014 #4

I agree, his bullying attitude made them think it was the thing to do. n-t Logical Jan 2014 #7

NOBODY is "smarter" than Governor Soprano: taking and obeying orders just isn't his style. rocktivity Jan 2014 #42

I think he may have been smart enough not to ask too many questions... tulsakatz Jan 2014 #51

Interesting, thanks! n/t RKP5637 Jan 2014 #106

Wow DURHAM D Jan 2014 #6

You call that an insult? :-) Logical Jan 2014 #9

I was not trying to insult. DURHAM D Jan 2014 #14

Watch the rerun of todays Rachel Maddow's show or avebury Jan 2014 #8

But his staff could of planned it on their own because of that. n-t Logical Jan 2014 #11

He has a history of micromanaging his office. avebury Jan 2014 #29

Good points. nt Logical Jan 2014 #32

Additional points. avebury Jan 2014 #49

Being a mirco-manager sometimes blinds a person to actual reality of Historic NY Jan 2014 #52

What tends to make his story unbelievable is how avebury Jan 2014 #62

I couldn't agree more!! tulsakatz Jan 2014 #58

in another DU post, it says: tulsakatz Jan 2014 #56

it sure seems like his "this was news to me" is going to fall apart pretty quickly renate Jan 2014 #73

yes & the more investigations there are.... tulsakatz Jan 2014 #74

Precisely. thanks tulsakatz nm Cha Jan 2014 #75

you're welcome.... tulsakatz Jan 2014 #101

Too early to say. Ilsa Jan 2014 #10

I also think it's too early to tell davidpdx Jan 2014 #88

There's a sucker born every minute. William769 Jan 2014 #12

haha....n/t tulsakatz Jan 2014 #59

I don't think he knew it was going to be revealed yesterday ... Kablooie Jan 2014 #13

There ya go.. he didn't know it was going Cha Jan 2014 #76

Must disagree. Watch Rachel Maddow tonight. It suddenly all makes sense. IllinoisBirdWatcher Jan 2014 #15

But his staff could have decided to do this on their own. To shelter him. n-t Logical Jan 2014 #19

Watch the video and HIS personal threat to the Senate. IllinoisBirdWatcher Jan 2014 #38

don't they call that plausible deniability? tulsakatz Jan 2014 #63

See all the comments on the LINK below Tx4obama Jan 2014 #16

People like Christie can be pretty goddamned convincing. nt ProgressSaves Jan 2014 #18

Yes, I will admit I believe him. I usually have a good BS meter. n-t Logical Jan 2014 #21

No way -- He's the biggest control freak out of New Jersey since Jon Bon Jovi. rocktivity Jan 2014 #20

I hope you are right. I would love to see him go down in flames. n-t Logical Jan 2014 #23

Rachel blew the lid off this and provided a solid motive Major Nikon Jan 2014 #22

I have it DVRed. Will watch later. n-t Logical Jan 2014 #26

Who's the "animal" now, Christie? Cha Jan 2014 #77

If this story had just surfaced it may be easier to believe he did not know Bjorn Against Jan 2014 #24

From what I have read ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2014 #25

Oh Please! dem in texas Jan 2014 #27

He knew warrior1 Jan 2014 #30

I listened to the whole press conference. I didn't hear him deflect a single question... cherokeeprogressive Jan 2014 #31

I agree. If he thought anyone might crack he would not have denied it like he did. n-t Logical Jan 2014 #34

He certainly painted himself into a corner, without hesitation or equivocation. cherokeeprogressive Jan 2014 #47

are you kidding? tulsakatz Jan 2014 #65

I hope he was lying. Because then he is 100% done!! But I don't think he was. n-t Logical Jan 2014 #66

"I did not have sexual relations with that woman, Monica Lewinski." Bluenorthwest Jan 2014 #120

The length of the press conference was strange. athena Jan 2014 #129

There is that. n/t cherokeeprogressive Jan 2014 #132

Then he's a clueless buffoon. But I don't believe he didn't know. 6000eliot Jan 2014 #33

It certainly reeks of Christie-like practices TheCowsCameHome Jan 2014 #35

Bully bosses..and micro managers know everything that is going on at every level... HipChick Jan 2014 #36

I don't hate Christie and I doubt that he was surprised. Gormy Cuss Jan 2014 #37

Why do you not hate Christie? nt Logical Jan 2014 #41

"Will no-one rid me of the troublesome priest?" WinkyDink Jan 2014 #39

Check out this article published in the WSJ Dec 12th herding cats Jan 2014 #40

Wow, good find. Interesting. n-t Logical Jan 2014 #44

i just found the discussion here in GD. herding cats Jan 2014 #46

exactly! tulsakatz Jan 2014 #67

'Cause he doesn't get it .. that there's a bunch Cha Jan 2014 #81

yes, the coverup always gets them in the end!! n/t tulsakatz Jan 2014 #102

I don't! tulsakatz Jan 2014 #43

I agree except that Watergate did not have national security or emergency management arthritisR_US Jan 2014 #57

good point! tulsakatz Jan 2014 #69

Back in the days of Watergate it was as huge a story as this one is and it arthritisR_US Jan 2014 #78

so do I! tulsakatz Jan 2014 #83

Wow, my Mum had me watching it for the very same reason! I originate from Wales but have arthritisR_US Jan 2014 #85

it's national news in Canada? tulsakatz Jan 2014 #87

On the National, the first story was about the the flu worry here and the second story went arthritisR_US Jan 2014 #93

yes, I hope it continues too... tulsakatz Jan 2014 #96

The height of absurdity. Atman Jan 2014 #45

exactly - despite his disclaimer - he is a bully and no one would make such a move without direct grantcart Jan 2014 #50

Good point, I imagine they were scared to do almost anything on their own. n-t Logical Jan 2014 #55

AND to send an email Skittles Jan 2014 #61

sometimes people in this situation can do really stupid things.... tulsakatz Jan 2014 #103

exactly!! Who would think it's a good idea to expose yourself to that kind of risk... tulsakatz Jan 2014 #70

Then you predict that he will be exposed as instigating this? Yes or No? n-t Logical Jan 2014 #140

Why did he not return the mayor's phone calls? randome Jan 2014 #48

that's what I want to know!! tulsakatz Jan 2014 #71

The BIG problem for Christie is how he HANDLED the situation. He NEVER investigated. He just blew it RBInMaine Jan 2014 #53

doesn't matter Skittles Jan 2014 #54

+ 1000 nt Logical Jan 2014 #64

Wanna buy a bridge? I have three for sale; rock bottom price for cash on all three. Zorra Jan 2014 #68

If you are serious PM me! nt Logical Jan 2014 #72

I'd prefer to conduct negotiations publicly, so there could be little dispute Zorra Jan 2014 #92

Sen. Loretta Weinberg, NJ Senate Democratic leader: "There are so many holes in this story." Hissyspit Jan 2014 #80

Bull-fucking-shit. Iggo Jan 2014 #82

Christie is a damn liar. jsr Jan 2014 #84

He's lying BainsBane Jan 2014 #86

objectively, as of this moment - I would have to say, "I don't know!" This could change with new Douglas Carpenter Jan 2014 #89

Disagree. Staff don't go off-reservation in such a big way -- such a major action which El_Johns Jan 2014 #90

I just use the logic test. dilby Jan 2014 #91

I agree with you, and ... renate Jan 2014 #95

Rachel Maddow's theory makes more TBF Jan 2014 #107

disagree MFM008 Jan 2014 #94

It happened on his watch. He's responsible. hamsterjill Jan 2014 #97

So, the best that could be said is he acted so as to maintain pnwmom Jan 2014 #99

As a manager, you create the "organizational culture" quaker bill Jan 2014 #100

He said he had not slept JustAnotherGen Jan 2014 #104

I think Christie was only caught off guard with the emails they riversedge Jan 2014 #105

Not Buying His BS... But These Days I Find Too Ma ny ChiciB1 Jan 2014 #108

Nah, he knew and it is going to cost him his political career. Rex Jan 2014 #109

time and multiple investigations will tell. speculation makes no difference. spanone Jan 2014 #110

Even if you're right (for the sake of argument) Blue_Tires Jan 2014 #111

only one thing I think he didn't know loveandlight Jan 2014 #112

If that is true, "incompetent" is a charitable description of his leadership skills. nt IdaBriggs Jan 2014 #113

Bwa ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha. lonestarnot Jan 2014 #114

We will see! nt Logical Jan 2014 #118

I second that. Rex Jan 2014 #127

Snort. lonestarnot Jan 2014 #147

You are easily fooled, or willfully ignorant. Ikonoklast Jan 2014 #115

Ahhh, someone doesn't like me! My feelings are hurt! When..... Logical Jan 2014 #117

Uhhh, what? Ikonoklast Jan 2014 #122

Then you predict that he will be exposed as instigating this? Yes or No? n-t Logical Jan 2014 #141

Yes. Wildstein is seeking immunity, no way does that turd want to go to prison. Ikonoklast Jan 2014 #144

Immunity against criminal charges of shutting down the bridge. n-t Logical Jan 2014 #145

He will be deposed. No subject or question is off limits. Ikonoklast Jan 2014 #148

I hope you are right. But either he really didn't know so he is going to get off.... Logical Jan 2014 #149

I find it difficult to believe that his staff endanger their careers... Orsino Jan 2014 #116

Message auto-removed Name removed Jan 2014 #119

I disagree Aerows Jan 2014 #121

I love the smell of contrariness in the morning - smells like bullshit. tenderfoot Jan 2014 #123

David Simon: "The highway's jammed with broken heroes..." muriel_volestrangler Jan 2014 #124

In order to believe this you have to... Javaman Jan 2014 #125

^ + 100,000,000,000 -- squared. Atman Jan 2014 #126

Not to mention we are supposed to believe he didn't get an accounting of emails sent to .... Hassin Bin Sober Jan 2014 #131

Then you predict that he will be exposed as instigating this? Yes or No? n-t Logical Jan 2014 #139

+1 uponit7771 Jan 2014 #156

I think he's going for broke... polichick Jan 2014 #128

ok, let'sgo with "he didn't order it", for a minute. this story has been kicking around for months dionysus Jan 2014 #130

+1 uponit7771 Jan 2014 #157

to my mind it is not Epiphany4z Jan 2014 #133

WOW, WOW, WOW! ChiciB1 Jan 2014 #134

If you still think this after watching Maddow's segment last night... gcomeau Jan 2014 #135

Nice to see you extend the benefit of doubt to a select few. Interesting..... Tarheel_Dem Jan 2014 #137

Then you predict that he will be exposed as instigating this? Yes or No? n-t Logical Jan 2014 #142

No prediction. Like I said, I find it "interesting" who you're willing to extend the.... Tarheel_Dem Jan 2014 #150

Who am I not? Quit playing cute and whining and just say it. n-t Logical Jan 2014 #153

Unlikely given his lack of response at the time karynnj Jan 2014 #138

i cannot fathom that you would fire your top aide and have no conversation regarding motive. spanone Jan 2014 #143

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!! backscatter712 Jan 2014 #146

Bless your innocent heart! That being said, I think it's leading you astray here. whathehell Jan 2014 #151

I hope he goes down. I want the political world rid of him. n-t Logical Jan 2014 #155

Do you want him to go down whathehell Jan 2014 #161

Yes actually. I think he is an evil bully. But I don't think he knew about the bridge deal. n-t Logical Jan 2014 #162

I got ya. n/t whathehell Jan 2014 #164

Great. The plausible deniability argument. We'll see, won't we. ancianita Jan 2014 #152

His closes allies, assistants, and advisors were involved. Agnosticsherbet Jan 2014 #154

Post removed Post removed Jan 2014 #158

Managers tend to avoid doing things that the boss will disapprove of. lumberjack_jeff Jan 2014 #159

I think Christie knew. I think Sokolich knew. Bookmark this post while you're at it. randome Jan 2014 #160

He is the governor, it was in his state, it was the busiest bridge in USA and he didn't know? dem in texas Jan 2014 #163

Nope...not buying it...using logic would come to other conclusions Sheepshank Jan 2014 #165