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In reply to the discussion: NBC News: Mysterious California Crop Circle plowed over [View all]Bernardo de La Paz
(48,773 posts)245. No point in this case or any crop circle case.
Scientific Materialists
Your repeated usage of that term is trying to make it into a pejorative. We see the deception you are trying to pull over us. However, you better be careful about the over-use of that term because the other side of that coin is Irrational Spiritualists.
can of course, and likely will cling to their beliefs,
You are mistaken to think that science oriented people are more prone to "belief" over experience. We don't "believe" in gravity, we experience gravity. The explanation of the effects of gravity is known as the Theory of Gravitation, but it is as solid as the ground that will hit you if you step out a ten-story window believing in mind over matter. It is spiritualistic people who are more prone to beliefs and less amenable to actual evidence.
even though such beliefs can only lead to massive disillusion. As for me -- Mr. OP -- I'm interested in truth, not beliefs.
We haven't seen evidence of that. What we have seen is you falling all over your beliefs and jumping to conclusions about the crop circle in question.
It was definitely worthwhile to research
There was no research and there was none needed. It was quickly revealed to be a marketing gimmick.
this fake crop circle
It was not a "fake", per se. Like all other crop circles it was simply manufactured, a human artifact.
to learn that it had been created by a profit-driven Scientific Materialist corporation out to intentionally deceive the public. I take this deliberate deception as problematic and unethical, and well worth doing research to find out about.
The only way you can logically take that position is to be against all marketing. For example the book cover you use (as if it proves anything): it is not marketing a book about fish hooks.
Psychology is a science. Psychology has application to advertising and marketing. I'm sorry if this upsets you but those two facts do not discredit science or Science in any way.
Those who want to remain ignorant have the right, of course, to remain so -- that is as we know a core Republicon value,
Your attempted smear of DU posters is not pretty.
as exemplified in their own perverse belief in a veritable grab bag of Scientific Materialist Delusions.
Actually, it is the Republicans who do the most to deny science. It may have escaped your notice, but in any case let me at least remind you that Republicans are more likely to be
* Climate Change Deniers
* Young Earth Creationists
* Abortion statistic abusers
* Drug war fanatics confusing cannabis with narcotics
* Law & Order deniers of demographic trends
* Upholders of scientificly discredited Austerity Economics
* Anti-Vaccination and public health
* Deniers of the impact of loss of habitat
* Ignorant of ecology
Any list you are likely to generate under the bogus label of "scientific materialist delusions" is sure to be rife with things that are not delusions, things that have to be stretched beyond ridiculousness to be considered delusions, and things that are just plain wrong. At the same time, there are huge lists of actual delusions that spiritualists and anti-materialists are staunch believers in.
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I brush between scientific materialist meals to eliminate scientific materialist claque
Orrex
Jan 2014
#21
Scientists are frequently fooled by hucksters and charlatans like Geller...
SidDithers
Jan 2014
#210
Bingo. This rather puts Octafish's obsession with JFK CTs in perspective, does it not?
stopbush
Jan 2014
#93
Your credulity at every CT and bit of woo is becoming legend, octafish...nt
SidDithers
Jan 2014
#129
Show where I've intentionally lied or presented information that was not true on DU.
Octafish
Jan 2014
#192
As for Crop Circles, no where did I post who or what created them. As far as I know, no one knows."
zappaman
Jan 2014
#203
Posting a bunch of links to your own DU posts isn't exactly proof of anything
stopbush
Jan 2014
#217
And even funnier how they cling to the tangential, while rejecting that for which
stopbush
Jan 2014
#221
when everything you posit has been thoroughly debunked over and over and over... it makes you look a
dionysus
Jan 2014
#278
does this mean i have to post a shit ton of woo to make myself more memorable?
dionysus
Jan 2014
#293
How does my stating: 'I remember your journal when it first started, zappaman' constitute a lie?
Octafish
Jan 2014
#303
You start with a drawing, then grab a couple tall stakes, some string, and some boards.
X_Digger
Jan 2014
#35
Big deal. That website is hawking a book. They do not show they made anything...
Octafish
Jan 2014
#94
So if there is no video of humans making that one, then humans didn't make it?
arcane1
Jan 2014
#160
So, unlike what you wrote, there is no video of people making those particular crop circles?
Octafish
Jan 2014
#227
I'd love to hear the yaysayers explain why EVERY SINGLE ONE of these "mysterious" things
sibelian
Jan 2014
#207
You do realize that those are not the only two people who make these things, right?
arcane1
Jan 2014
#188
What the real mystery seems to be- is why it bothers you and your ilk so much?
notadmblnd
Jan 2014
#149
he has never been as stoned, or had his hair bouffed out so much, since that day...
dionysus
Jan 2014
#281
You're Mr. Research right? If you spent any time looking into these phenomenon
snooper2
Jan 2014
#119
The gullibility of the crop circle suckers is truly amazing: "Confession Hollow" !
Bernardo de La Paz
Jan 2014
#284
"Can't explain"? Except that whole part where they've been totally fucking explained, right?
Codeine
Jan 2014
#47
Thanks for nothin' ET. We already figured out PI. Tell us something new. n/t
lumberjack_jeff
Jan 2014
#92
You misunderstood: Followers of Amazing Randi use similar techniques as the FBI.
Octafish
Jan 2014
#267
Mocking people has nothing to do with "democratic" ideals. It has to do with making your case.
MADem
Jan 2014
#142
Gee. I don't recall treating other DUers like I've been treated on this thread.
Octafish
Jan 2014
#248
"Certainly some, if not most, are man-made. Some, however, have no plausible explanation"...
SidDithers
Jan 2014
#276
You think a Japanese utility has something to do with flattened plants in Salinas?
LeftyMom
Jan 2014
#56
Um, it wasn't "scientific materialists of yesteryear" who persecuted Galileo
William Seger
Jan 2014
#141
It's a deliberate attempt to discredit the claim that hu7mans created the circles.
arcane1
Jan 2014
#172
So, when is the OP going to admit that they were wonky-woo about the original crop circle
Bernardo de La Paz
Jan 2014
#241
You know historically it's been woo pushers that have conspired against science
NuclearDem
Jan 2014
#242
Have you seen the amazing beach sand artist of New Zealand? He's not anonymous....
Hekate
Jan 2014
#65
I like how by debunking some crop circles, all crop circles are discounted as a hoax.
cbdo2007
Jan 2014
#164
That's like saying all cave drawings are a hoax because someone last year made
cbdo2007
Jan 2014
#170
So to get a million smart ass replies, all I have to do is type 'Scientific Materialist claque'?
Rex
Jan 2014
#259
Wow. Just wow. This thread is just a study in how fucking mean DU has become.
ScreamingMeemie
Jan 2014
#283