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140. So don't try and work toward equality. Don't work towards making schools be more comparable because

Sat Jan 11, 2014, 02:09 AM

Jan 2014

taking money away from an over-funded one will hurt those kids there. Tough shit about all those kids in the underfunded school, right? Can't hurt the over funded one.

If you're a poor, disabled, white female, why work towards getting economic parity because it will hurt you. Why have the ADA because by giving you a job, it will take one away from someone else. Why have equal rights amendment because it will only hurt men. What?

Again you confuse individual circumstances with the larger societal group based on a characteristic of the group. Rather like saying climate change can't be real because it is cold out, mixing weather with climate.

You do not think there are groups which enjoy privilege, only "so-called" groups. You don't think working towards doing away with bigoted actions or disadvantages based on some characteristic will help because then you will be hurting someone.

And because we can not make absolutely everything equal or "fair", why try at all.

Huh.

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For some of my fellow white people, who feel you have been victimized due to your race [View all] CreekDog Jan 2014 OP

It *does* occasionally happen, unfortunately. AverageJoe90 Jan 2014 #1

hit the nail on head HipChick Jan 2014 #5

I thank whomever alerted my OP, I really do thank them CreekDog Jan 2014 #132

oh puhleeze VanillaRhapsody Jan 2014 #26

Re: "right....sigh..."I have been racially stereotyped" ...come on man." You do realize..... AverageJoe90 Jan 2014 #33

AverageJoe... VanillaRhapsody Jan 2014 #37

..... AverageJoe90 Jan 2014 #54

this isn't about YOUR personal problems....do you understand??? VanillaRhapsody Jan 2014 #55

Re: "this isn't about YOUR personal problems....do you understand???" Never said it was. AverageJoe90 Jan 2014 #60

Now you asked me if I ever experienced it myself in the other thread... VanillaRhapsody Jan 2014 #61

"Now you asked me if I ever experienced it myself in the other thread..." Where? AverageJoe90 Jan 2014 #65

This is surreal. Hosnon Jan 2014 #107

Thanks, I guess. AverageJoe90 Jan 2014 #109

he is, he really is. CreekDog Jan 2014 #134

Your "other point" is that White privilege doesn't exist...becuase VanillaRhapsody Jan 2014 #68

And, as far as I can see, I haven't *directly* benefitted from "White Privilege". AverageJoe90 Jan 2014 #75

If you're white, you benefit from white privilege. nt. Hosnon Jan 2014 #108

it happened to me a couple times. nothing major but it was enough to feel what it was like, dionysus Jan 2014 #100

I don't recall any real-life incidents towards myself, to be truthful. AverageJoe90 Jan 2014 #104

here's what happened. dionysus Jan 2014 #112

But nobody here is saying that. Throd Jan 2014 #2

UMmmmmm... 99Forever Jan 2014 #3

Agreed. What total loser posted this thread? Must be a rwnj here as a troll. nt okaawhatever Jan 2014 #10

I'm not so sure of *that*, per se..... AverageJoe90 Jan 2014 #34

OK, so let me see pipi_k Jan 2014 #150

I imagine many dullards also believe that social issues are "yummy flamebait" LanternWaste Jan 2014 #13

Oh boy another divisive white people vs. everyone else thread n/t Kurska Jan 2014 #4

the op is white JI7 Jan 2014 #7

And...? n/t Kurska Jan 2014 #11

so it's not about white people v everyone else as many white people agree with the op JI7 Jan 2014 #12

So because he/she is white they can't make a divisive OP? Kurska Jan 2014 #14

I have many white friends! CreekDog Jan 2014 #16

LOL !!! WillyT Jan 2014 #19

... Kurska Jan 2014 #21

thank you!!!! VanillaRhapsody Jan 2014 #27

You lie! Dr. Strange Jan 2014 #53

Nothing wrong with that. goldent Jan 2014 #143

Some of your best friends, perhaps? riqster Jan 2014 #151

Hahah! nt cinnabonbon Jan 2014 #155

The OP, as a white person, is speaking from her personal knowledge. Gormy Cuss Jan 2014 #24

for some people it seems the truth.....Owwwwwwiiieee it burns! VanillaRhapsody Jan 2014 #28

That's not what I felt. I wasn't personally offended by this. AverageJoe90 Jan 2014 #38

Personally offended by what??? VanillaRhapsody Jan 2014 #40

Um, I assume by the OP n/t Kurska Jan 2014 #42

So... whats the "truth" here exactly? Kurska Jan 2014 #41

I don't think OP's personal knowledge extrapolates well to all white people. Kurska Jan 2014 #36

How is there a disagreement that there is Racism Misogyny and Homophobia in the U.S.? VanillaRhapsody Jan 2014 #43

lolwut Kurska Jan 2014 #44

Discrimination? Perhaps you've heard of it? VanillaRhapsody Jan 2014 #49

Yes actually, I have. Kurska Jan 2014 #56

Then why are you arguing FOR White people saying they are not "privileged" VanillaRhapsody Jan 2014 #58

Again, lolwut Kurska Jan 2014 #59

If you agree on the basics, then why does the term "white privilege" seem to bother you so much? nomorenomore08 Jan 2014 #62

Well, personally I don't like the term. Kurska Jan 2014 #74

So how do you feel about the term Homophobic? VanillaRhapsody Jan 2014 #89

"Ostensibly, it is... used to describe the overall condition of white people in general." nomorenomore08 Jan 2014 #110

well put, sir. dionysus Jan 2014 #113

Okay then....this is what this is about...You are arguing with my position which is...that they DO! VanillaRhapsody Jan 2014 #63

Are you gay? Kurska Jan 2014 #77

No Everyone is NOT...White Men... VanillaRhapsody Jan 2014 #78

So, you're denying your straight privilege? Kurska Jan 2014 #79

NO I am NOT.... VanillaRhapsody Jan 2014 #80

I have no idea who "he" even is. n/t Kurska Jan 2014 #81

Average Joe...earlier is was LumberJack...somebody.. VanillaRhapsody Jan 2014 #82

I think you may legitimately not be in the sub-thread you think you are. n/t Kurska Jan 2014 #83

I think you replied to someone who was also replying to this person.... VanillaRhapsody Jan 2014 #84

Who's LumberJack? AverageJoe90 Jan 2014 #91

they guy before you that tried to make the same tired argument. VanillaRhapsody Jan 2014 #94

Please provide a link to back this up. lumberjack_jeff Jan 2014 #124

There isn't any disagreement there. AverageJoe90 Jan 2014 #88

YES All White people DO... VanillaRhapsody Jan 2014 #90

And again, this is a complex issue in which dualistic thinking doesn't apply well. AverageJoe90 Jan 2014 #93

it is NOT complex at ALL..in fact it is quite simple... VanillaRhapsody Jan 2014 #95

Again, I've been trying to point out..... AverageJoe90 Jan 2014 #102

wait so cinnabonbon Jan 2014 #156

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Of course an individual of whatever group can experience "ism", but to say privilege does not exist uppityperson Jan 2014 #120

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The real problem is certain groups experience bigotry, arrest, lower wages, suspicion, poorer school uppityperson Jan 2014 #122

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"blame innocent white people for your own individual circumstances & poor life choices". Wow. uppityperson Jan 2014 #141

Did an RW troll come into DU cinnabonbon Jan 2014 #157

If you are White YOU HAVE benefitted from it...no doubt about it. VanillaRhapsody Jan 2014 #126

So let's talk about your timeline a bit... Agschmid Jan 2014 #127

there ARE exceptions to the rule...but YOU have benefitted whether you like it or not... VanillaRhapsody Jan 2014 #125

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Because until privilege is acknowledged to exist, things can not change to lessen it. Not trying to uppityperson Jan 2014 #129

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It is impossible to do away with actions based on bigotry as it will hurt those being disadvantaged? uppityperson Jan 2014 #136

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So don't try and work toward equality. Don't work towards making schools be more comparable because uppityperson Jan 2014 #140

Have to say I agree with you 100% VanillaRhapsody Jan 2014 #153

Thanks. I agree that none of us fit JUST 1 group, but if you compare 1 characteristic, typically 1 uppityperson Jan 2014 #154

but those things aren't a result of systemic and structural racism, mysogyny, and homophobia... VanillaRhapsody Jan 2014 #147

No its not pointless...its very important. VanillaRhapsody Jan 2014 #146

no we are talking about something specific and endemic.... VanillaRhapsody Jan 2014 #144

Please explain to me then "Black privilege" VanillaRhapsody Jan 2014 #145

You and Gormy cinnabonbon Jan 2014 #158

I think it's causing hostility from people who are uncomfortable discussing the topic Gormy Cuss Jan 2014 #45

I think race relations are an uncomfortable topic for many people white, black or otherwise Kurska Jan 2014 #47

Why is being truthful "flippant"? VanillaRhapsody Jan 2014 #51

I'm still not getting what glorious and objective truth that is being imparted here n/t Kurska Jan 2014 #57

SOME people on this thread ARE denying White Privilege... VanillaRhapsody Jan 2014 #66

Re: "the truth is because they don't as a rule have adverse things happen to them". AverageJoe90 Jan 2014 #70

The fact that White people "do not suffer the latter" VanillaRhapsody Jan 2014 #71

You and I are on the same page, I believe. AverageJoe90 Jan 2014 #92

NO we are not...YOU don't think you have been privileged... VanillaRhapsody Jan 2014 #96

#92 was in reply to Kurska, though.....I think you may have misread me there. nt AverageJoe90 Jan 2014 #98

This message was self-deleted by its author CreekDog Jan 2014 #135

Have you seen the Edward R. Murphy study pintobean Jan 2014 #8

This is SO not helping tkmorris Jan 2014 #6

Yeah, true. AverageJoe90 Jan 2014 #9

How is this an "us vs "them" VanillaRhapsody Jan 2014 #29

The History of White People in America-- a great, satirical mockumentary made in 1985 by Martin Mull LanternWaste Jan 2014 #15

My mom bought the book when i was a kid CreekDog Jan 2014 #17

"How White People Talk" eh? n/t Skip Intro Jan 2014 #115

and they can't dance worth a shit, either! dionysus Jan 2014 #118

Yes, in fact. And even though it sounds like a joke CreekDog Jan 2014 #130

Yes, it's a book. Do you read bro? CreekDog Jan 2014 #148

It sounds interesting. I will go look for it. cinnabonbon Jan 2014 #159

We're real privileged here in Appalachia. Boy, I tell you what. ProgressSaves Jan 2014 #18

I think you missed it... Gravitycollapse Jan 2014 #23

Have you been racially profiled...has anyone ever followed you around a store VanillaRhapsody Jan 2014 #30

Even working-class white people do have certain relative advantages, such as those you named. nomorenomore08 Jan 2014 #67

EXACTLY....I have been trying all day to get this concept across to Joe.... VanillaRhapsody Jan 2014 #69

Though this is undoubtedly true, there are still some issues with the use of the word "privilege"... AverageJoe90 Jan 2014 #97

Fine-tuning one's message is certainly not a bad thing. nomorenomore08 Jan 2014 #111

VR, I am a white female Blue_In_AK Jan 2014 #116

You have more privilege than the people of color who also live in Appalachia. Gormy Cuss Jan 2014 #39

Social class is a very important factor that many downplay, for whatever reasons. nomorenomore08 Jan 2014 #64

Now don't rain reality on the hate parade. Skip Intro Jan 2014 #117

Someone needs a hug Fumesucker Jan 2014 #20

I think we should talk about hurtful anti-can bigotry Warren DeMontague Jan 2014 #22

someone HATES THESE CANS! CreekDog Jan 2014 #137

I know of one instance lancer78 Jan 2014 #25

OMG!!!!! VanillaRhapsody Jan 2014 #32

Actually lancer78 Jan 2014 #149

then there you go..."this is very rare" (if this story is true...sounds like "Welfare Queen" woo VanillaRhapsody Jan 2014 #152

This sounds made up. Similar to the stories my grandparents used to tell me... Gravitycollapse Jan 2014 #35

that sounds like when i heard some "asians don't pay taxes" from someone JI7 Jan 2014 #50

And another reason not to slam ones head continually whistler162 Jan 2014 #31

Who says "the 60s are over?" Eleanors38 Jan 2014 #46

Let's all watch how the professionals get the point across VanillaRhapsody Jan 2014 #48

The Lord loves a workin' man... Sheldon Cooper Jan 2014 #76

'You mean i'm gonna stay this color?' BWAHAHA! freshwest Jan 2014 #86

"I cooked you your favorite meal VanillaRhapsody Jan 2014 #87

You are not a victim, I am! No, I am a bigger victim! Pick me! You can't be one, only me The Straight Story Jan 2014 #52

We all have relative advantages and disadvantages in life. I'll agree with that much. nomorenomore08 Jan 2014 #73

I can concur with that. eom AverageJoe90 Jan 2014 #105

OMG! What did you do? Why did you start this OP? NealK Jan 2014 #72

This is some silly shit. n/t Comrade Grumpy Jan 2014 #85

... cherokeeprogressive Jan 2014 #99

Are you fucking serious? cherokeeprogressive Jan 2014 #101

ffs NoOneMan Jan 2014 #103

the department i worked in for many years had 5 employees -- DesertFlower Jan 2014 #106

Um, your racism is showing. Skip Intro Jan 2014 #114

Maybe you should stay in teh lounge where you won't be referred to as a DOUCHEBAG. madinmaryland Jan 2014 #123

Actually ever since the Lounge wars of 2009, I was called a d-bag and worse CreekDog Jan 2014 #161

I don't White People with you. cherokeeprogressive Jan 2014 #131

You don't liberal with me either CreekDog Jan 2014 #160

Ahh Steve Martin fromchaos Jan 2014 #142