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karynnj

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117. This ignores that saving ANY seat is worth it as it can affect who controls the Senate

Sat Jan 11, 2014, 10:53 AM

Jan 2014

That means who sets the agenda and who chairs all the committees. Many veteran s have spoken of how much a difference that makes. Think back to 2005 and 2006 when we controlled nothing. There may have been some "victories" celebrated here, but they were defeating new bad things the Republican majorities wanted to do. Though losing battles to move forward is hard, barely winning against efforts to move backward is worse.

I remember having to think of this when Howard Dean and John Kerry (among others) fought for every Democrat with any chance to win. Many I knew disagreed with Kerry and were pretty far to his left, but I know everyone here was excited when in Nov 2006, we got 51 Senators. That made a difference even though some were pretty blue dog.

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"The White House is seething, and they want everyone to know it." [View all] babylonsister Jan 2014 OP

For the most part, isn't that the Ready For Hillary! crowd? MannyGoldstein Jan 2014 #1

I fail to see the overlap and it is better for Hillary if John Kerry succeeds karynnj Jan 2014 #8

+1 L0oniX Jan 2014 #37

Only in the endless expanse of your colorful imagination, Manny ConservativeDemocrat Jan 2014 #50

+ 1 eom BlueCaliDem Jan 2014 #78

Your arguments are so.......I dont know.............brief. nm rhett o rick Jan 2014 #94

Its mainly Sen Chuck Scumer warrant46 Jan 2014 #52

Mr President lsewpershad Jan 2014 #56

+1 N/T warrant46 Jan 2014 #57

I gaze in boundless wonder at the propensity of some DUers to take ... 11 Bravo Jan 2014 #63

dude, you could post a thread about breakfast cereal and someone will make a bitter, anti hillary dionysus Jan 2014 #70

Sad, but true. Perhaps someday I will cease to be astonished by this dogshit showing up on ... 11 Bravo Jan 2014 #73

And all the arguments for Ms. Clinton look like your post. No substance, only whining. nm rhett o rick Jan 2014 #95

This message was self-deleted by its author 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2014 #110

Your definition of whining is so ... I don't know ... self-serving. 11 Bravo Jan 2014 #120

+1 so apt Sheepshank Jan 2014 #121

Well I fear you will get your way. You will get your Clinton-Sachs and your TPP. rhett o rick Jan 2014 #122

Hillary is not my candidate, nor was she in 2008. 11 Bravo Jan 2014 #123

I see it as we are in war.A war for some of our lives literally. No time for Marques of Queensberry rhett o rick Jan 2014 #124

I didn't call you anything. I was responding to someone else and you felt compelled ... 11 Bravo Jan 2014 #125

Booker et al, Third Way al the way, bay-bee blkmusclmachine Jan 2014 #107

They look like the usual leg-spreaders. nt valerief Jan 2014 #116

The White House Has nobody but themselves to blame Demeter Jan 2014 #2

So blame this agression on the WH, babylonsister Jan 2014 #4

Where the hell does that come from? randome Jan 2014 #5

It's typical ODS. nt BumRushDaShow Jan 2014 #7

ODSer who wants Obama impeached. nt geek tragedy Jan 2014 #12

FOX? stonecutter357 Jan 2014 #18

Amazing, isn't it Andy823 Jan 2014 #32

Extreme ODS... SidDithers Jan 2014 #40

^^^This!^^^ eom BlueCaliDem Jan 2014 #79

What does ODSer stand for? mikekohr Jan 2014 #81

ODS - Obama Derangement Syndrome Marie Marie Jan 2014 #87

Thanks. I've seen a lot of that here. I did not know it had a clinical name. mikekohr Jan 2014 #89

This message was self-deleted by its author Marie Marie Jan 2014 #88

"Obama MadashellLynn Jan 2014 #90

Obama Derangment Syndrome Hekate Jan 2014 #104

Just look for the members of the Money Party. Diff left and right is clear bjobotts Jan 2014 #100

They're not far left, they're far right. joshcryer Jan 2014 #108

Bingo. Drunken Irishman Jan 2014 #118

The hell are you talking about? Arkana Jan 2014 #14

Wow, really? philosslayer Jan 2014 #15

Who are you referring to and why? karynnj Jan 2014 #16

Good post DLnyc Jan 2014 #28

Both your comment and Karynnj's are good, IMO. BlueMTexpat Jan 2014 #112

Agree, well said. mountain grammy Jan 2014 #51

While I applaud the President's restraint with respect to military action in Iran, Maedhros Jan 2014 #83

Change usually starts small - and engaging Iran is a good start nt karynnj Jan 2014 #85

Agreed - which is why Democrats need to be vocal with their support for diplomatic solutions. Maedhros Jan 2014 #91

Carter let the Shah in. He never shook hands like Obama was able to. Bernardo de La Paz Jan 2014 #21

It's too easy to blame Carter for letting the Shah into the US. BlueMTexpat Jan 2014 #114

C'mon home, hon. n/t Tansy_Gold Jan 2014 #27

and stop playing with the computer, the grownups need to use it. lastlib Jan 2014 #30

Just another drive-by insult without substance. Coyotl Jan 2014 #43

You're not even trying anymore sharp_stick Jan 2014 #46

I don't get this sentiment, this seems to be one of the really right things the White House is doing TheKentuckian Jan 2014 #58

You seem bitter. TwilightGardener Jan 2014 #60

you win the "Bitter Post that Doesn't Make Sense" of the day award! dionysus Jan 2014 #71

not so fast geek tragedy Jan 2014 #77

ok, i rescind the award and give it to them... dionysus Jan 2014 #80

Why? awoke_in_2003 Jan 2014 #84

Are you upset because the Administration got us out of Iraq, and is doing the same with Afghanistan? lostincalifornia Jan 2014 #103

But, it pays to ACT DUMB and INEFFECTIVE. blkmusclmachine Jan 2014 #105

your bitter tears are nectar to my soul. nt dionysus Jan 2014 #119

"Even" Jimmy Carter? BlueMTexpat Jan 2014 #111

The DLC is alive.... CherokeeDem Jan 2014 #3

wtf? spanone Jan 2014 #6

It looks to be mainly a coalition from the Northeast n/t tom_kelly Jan 2014 #9

Yes, that and the Democrati Senators in tough red state races like Hagan, Landrieu, Begich and Pryor okaawhatever Jan 2014 #54

Begich's form letter to me on this Blue_In_AK Jan 2014 #93

"backed by the American Israel Public Affairs Committee," Hotler Jan 2014 #10

... and let them use their nuclear devices when it heads south? We need to use what moderation.... marble falls Jan 2014 #11

I agree Andy823 Jan 2014 #36

Tar and feathers.....n/t Hotler Jan 2014 #59

This sounds like a good money siphon, take a bunch of donations from AIPAC supporters Coyotl Jan 2014 #44

With the notable exception of a couple of them, every one of those Blue Dog pricks Arkana Jan 2014 #13

As far as I am concerned, Shumer's support for Israel over the US has reached the point of being A Simple Game Jan 2014 #17

+1 eggplant Jan 2014 #26

Well, she does need the same votes from NY City that Schumer needs. BlueStreak Jan 2014 #29

$$$$........ lastlib Jan 2014 #31

It is NOT American Jews behind this -- it is AIPAC, a right wing group that has some very rich karynnj Jan 2014 #55

I agree the problem is the Israeli State and their rich proxies here BlueStreak Jan 2014 #64

I AM Jewish and I lived in the NYC area for nearly 4 decades! karynnj Jan 2014 #66

I know.. I was surprised at Gillibrand. I thought she Cha Jan 2014 #74

I take back the "kinda like" I said about her Agony Jan 2014 #82

I'm. very disappointed to see our Senators on the list. BlancheSplanchnik Jan 2014 #47

It's become very evident in the past few years that Israel's goals are not necessarily good Fla Dem Jan 2014 #49

Schumer also is notorious for leading efforts to push H-1B Visa expansion all of the time too! cascadiance Jan 2014 #68

what's worse, Schumer actually doesn't care about Israel. it's all pandering nt geek tragedy Jan 2014 #75

AIPAC is not the only one that wants us to fight a war against Iran. zeemike Jan 2014 #20

Don't forget the PNACers......... lastlib Jan 2014 #33

Is there a difference? BlueStreak Jan 2014 #42

We should tell Elizabeth Warren to pull Mark Pryor from her fundraising letters unless he backs down cascadiance Jan 2014 #69

This ignores that saving ANY seat is worth it as it can affect who controls the Senate karynnj Jan 2014 #117

I've let Blumenthal know what I think sharp_stick Jan 2014 #19

I've had my doubts about him. ctsnowman Jan 2014 #24

Fucking idiots.... blackspade Jan 2014 #22

I've really, really went above and beyond trying to defend Democrats for some stupid shit lately. ProgressSaves Jan 2014 #23

Veto time. ctsnowman Jan 2014 #25

"backed by the American Israel Public Affairs Committee" L0oniX Jan 2014 #34

knr! Douglas Carpenter Jan 2014 #35

These 50 senators might be treasonous idiots... QuestForSense Jan 2014 #38

you`ll take that aipac money over the president and the will of the people madrchsod Jan 2014 #39

Israel also pushed the U.S. toward war . . FairWinds Jan 2014 #41

I just called my 2 senators, Richard Blumenthal and Chris Murphy, about this and TPP Larkspur Jan 2014 #45

Thank you I was not aware of this , I will call reps of mine to give peace a chance lunasun Jan 2014 #48

Thanks for this post which somehow missed the "news" cycle. mountain grammy Jan 2014 #53

There won't be any wars with Iran anytime soon. CFLDem Jan 2014 #61

Remember, Hillary has no problem "obliterating them". nt PassingFair Jan 2014 #62

Really? A Clinton getting us into a major war? CFLDem Jan 2014 #67

It's not fun when something you don't want is shoved down your throat, is it? 1000words Jan 2014 #65

K&R El_Johns Jan 2014 #72

K&R proverbialwisdom Jan 2014 #76

Could this be Obama playing good cop to the Senate's bad cop? alfredo Jan 2014 #86

The do a$ they're told. DeSwiss Jan 2014 #92

Unfortunately, as an Alaskan I can guess why Mark Begich would be a hawk on Iran. Ken Burch Jan 2014 #96

This is one issue I stand with the WH... ReRe Jan 2014 #97

Menendez was closely tied to the possibly the most corrupt mayor in the history merrily Jan 2014 #98

I guess we have taken care of SCVDem Jan 2014 #99

This seems like kabuki theater to me Nevernose Jan 2014 #101

Don't forget to bring back the draft! SCVDem Jan 2014 #102

Here's the White House "seething" ~> blkmusclmachine Jan 2014 #106

+1,000,000 TomClash Jan 2014 #109

The White House TOTALLY doesn't want another war, but those damn meddling kids... Demo_Chris Jan 2014 #113

Gillibrand, Booker, and Blumenthal really surprise me CanonRay Jan 2014 #115