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riqster

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Mon Jan 13, 2014, 12:15 PM Jan 2014

Libertarians think Fiction is Reality. [View all]

http://bluntandcranky.wordpress.com/2014/01/13/libertarians-think-fiction-is-reality/

"300,000 people in West Virginia can’t use their tap water for anything but flushing their crap down the dumper because an unregulated toxic chemical facility just upstream from Charleston’s water supply sprang a leak: it’s so bad, people in 6 counties can’t bathe, wash their clothes, cook, clean, and such. Sensible people asked for some regulations, but the Libertarians blocked them, because the “free market” would magically make the tank farm’s operator do everything necessary to make the place safe and squeaky-clean. Of course, that turned out not to be the case.

Last year, a town in Texas suffered a devastating and deadly explosion because a barely-regulated fertilizer plant blew up. This being Texas, only a few sensible people argued for regulations, and the Libertarians blocked them too, because the “free market” is a peachy and perfect way to ensure safety and cleanliness in industry. In fact, the libertarians are STILL blocking new regulations even after that blast, so that town (or another) could blow up again at any moment.

Time after time, this silly-arsed idea that businesses are somehow innately good and will always do the right thing when left to their own devices has been proven false. And yet its adherents (who run the gamut from prog-rockers Rush to industrialists like the Koch Brothers) still insist that it is true, that we just need to get rid of even more government and then it’ll work, honest, really, pinky-swear. That’s like a compulsive gambler telling you that if he just had more money to bet, he’d be on Easy Street.

This ideology does not work in real life. Smart people who live in the real world and have read Adam Smith know that a regulated free market is what works best. But because a czarist Russian exile had an understandably huge hate-on for Commies and wrote a few novels, somehow a lot of otherwise sane and intelligent individuals decided that a whole philosophy should be based on those novels; and indeed, a new economic theory be created out of the whole cloth and immediately declared valid, based largely on those novels. Fiction, to libertarians, is reality.

And that, friends, pretty well sums up Libertarianism: if is a theory, based on fiction, that has no basis in reality. People have been trying for decades to make it real, to make it work, to take it from marionette status and turn into a real boy. All that has been realized from their efforts is that Libertarians have grown a very large set of donkey ears as their Ayn Rand-based Pleasure Island has gone morally, intellectually, and financially bankrupt.

Libertarianism has failed. It is dead. Stop trying to make the corpse move; bury it and try something based in the real world next time. "


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recommend phantom power Jan 2014 #1
Thanks. riqster Jan 2014 #2
what interests me (in a sad way) is that in spite of all these sort of examples... phantom power Jan 2014 #3
The libertarians have taken control of the marketplace of ideas over the past decades riqster Jan 2014 #5
And they control all the media... awoke_in_2003 Jan 2014 #30
Liberals have been pandering to Libertarians for votes. jeff47 Jan 2014 #6
S'truth. riqster Jan 2014 #7
Well, that is not really the Liberals. bvar22 Jan 2014 #45
Relative liberal. They're liberal compared to the Republicans. (nt) jeff47 Jan 2014 #46
that's funny I have also seen those on the very far left agree with the Libertarians too! VanillaRhapsody Jan 2014 #53
Agree with economic libertarians on what exactly? TheKentuckian Jan 2014 #70
Libertarians...I didn't couch it in "economics" VanillaRhapsody Jan 2014 #75
We are discussing economics otherwise we enter silly season TheKentuckian Jan 2014 #97
but "I" didn't say that did I? VanillaRhapsody Jan 2014 #100
No, it seemed to be implied otherwise I have trouble seeing what point was being made TheKentuckian Jan 2014 #102
they most certainly HAVE... VanillaRhapsody Jan 2014 #103
You mean they disagreed with Dick Cheney and the people like him. JoeyT Jan 2014 #83
K&R n/t Feral Child Jan 2014 #4
The delusional Libertarian inmates are really running the asylum meow2u3 Jan 2014 #8
Rubber room and a straitjacket. riqster Jan 2014 #9
Libertarianism is just another crazy cult. hunter Jan 2014 #10
The Libertarians I know are all in favor of throwing the management of the West Fertilizer Company AtheistCrusader Jan 2014 #11
but that's facile of them, because corporations specifically protect individuals against that. phantom power Jan 2014 #20
True, there are numerous flaws in their position, quite beyond simple 'how much money CAN you pay AtheistCrusader Jan 2014 #22
AFTER the fact, sure Scootaloo Jan 2014 #49
I don't advocate violence, but it is fun to see them scramble when you AtheistCrusader Jan 2014 #50
Sure they do. They flap their arms and squawk that you're a "statist" Scootaloo Jan 2014 #51
I have, indeed, witnessed this behavior. AtheistCrusader Jan 2014 #52
The courtship dance of the Friedman's Least Boobie Scootaloo Jan 2014 #55
You said two words the can't argue with safeinOhio Jan 2014 #12
What's funny is when you pin down a Libertarian they say a LAWSUIT keeps companies in line... Spitfire of ATJ Jan 2014 #13
Nailed it. ctsnowman Jan 2014 #14
Your relatives are supposed to get rich.... Spitfire of ATJ Jan 2014 #16
No wonder. Because they've legislated individual rights vs. corporations to 'frivolous' complaints freshwest Jan 2014 #38
They also believe that a lawsuit is a swift and sure cure for injuries Fortinbras Armstrong Jan 2014 #28
This.... Spitfire of ATJ Jan 2014 #37
Very said! PLEASE make a separate OP of this for moe exposure! n/t freshwest Jan 2014 #39
This should SO be an OP. Just sayin'. riqster Jan 2014 #41
Judges can be objective treestar Jan 2014 #56
They talk about the rules of the market as if they're laws. Spitfire of ATJ Jan 2014 #59
Where? treestar Jan 2014 #65
That's another thing, who is going to ENFORCE those contracts? Spitfire of ATJ Jan 2014 #66
In the libertarians' minds treestar Jan 2014 #67
They want a world driven by greed..... Spitfire of ATJ Jan 2014 #98
Her 19th century was Czarist Russia. Not a great time for liberty. riqster Jan 2014 #72
She wanted the Horatio Alger era treestar Jan 2014 #84
They call it the non-aggression principle. joshcryer Jan 2014 #87
Followed by the classic, "Whatever they're paying you, I'll double it." Spitfire of ATJ Jan 2014 #99
indeed joshcryer Jan 2014 #104
What do you mean "fiction"??!!! bvar22 Jan 2014 #15
P T Barnum was right. riqster Jan 2014 #17
He'll cash in on the suckers sending him money in small amounts. Spitfire of ATJ Jan 2014 #18
Oh my GODDESS! redqueen Jan 2014 #19
I just can't WAIT to go down there and start... bvar22 Jan 2014 #27
You can add in the 4/23/2005 BP Texas City refinery blast that killed 15 b/c BP budgeted the price Dustlawyer Jan 2014 #21
All good examples. And it's world wide. riqster Jan 2014 #23
You bet your ass! People have no idea what that kind of money, coupled with amoral business Dustlawyer Jan 2014 #31
Well, I'm thinking the libertarians think that there EC Jan 2014 #24
That would be some wack reasoning, riqster Jan 2014 #25
I had a libertarian aquiantance say there should be a law. EC Jan 2014 #26
Their 'don't tax me bro' eliminated regulatory oversight, to destroy civil society and devolve to: freshwest Jan 2014 #44
It's not just a closed circle, it's unsustainable. riqster Jan 2014 #47
Ah, but their core group survives. That's the fact we ignore at our peril. It works for plutocrats. freshwest Jan 2014 #48
Survives, but at a huge loss. Nt riqster Jan 2014 #54
Isn't that how the 1% wants it, though? Not arguing it is wrong... but we must see what it is. BTW, freshwest Jan 2014 #62
Thanks :-) riqster Jan 2014 #69
The members of Rush are libertarians? awoke_in_2003 Jan 2014 #29
Oh yeah. Ayn Rand nuts, the lot of them. riqster Jan 2014 #32
Did not know that... awoke_in_2003 Jan 2014 #34
Not exactly stratnav71 Jan 2014 #79
Fascinating. riqster Jan 2014 #80
DU is more libertarian than either Texas or West Virginia Fumesucker Jan 2014 #33
You are expecting people to distinguish between left-libertarianism the political orientation, Warren DeMontague Jan 2014 #61
Hey, you understand what I'm saying, that's a start Fumesucker Jan 2014 #63
I'm Group W Bench Warren DeMontague Jan 2014 #64
Move over. There are pencils on the bench to played with. riqster Jan 2014 #73
I would think a true libertarian would occupy the lower right quadrant, nyquil_man Jan 2014 #105
Make this go viral. Most conservative and some other groups believe this fiction. n/t freshwest Jan 2014 #35
And let's not forget... WinstonSmith4740 Jan 2014 #36
All true. riqster Jan 2014 #40
Which regulation proposals were defeated by the Libertarians? One_Life_To_Give Jan 2014 #42
Bulls$1t! "libertarian" and "think" are mutually exclusive! dorkzilla Jan 2014 #43
I agree. Libertarianism is utter bullshit. Enthusiast Jan 2014 #57
Rand never said a good thing about Libertarians in her whole life MNBrewer Jan 2014 #58
Thom Hartmann just pointed out that this was a perfect Cleita Jan 2014 #60
I read the subject line quickly and thought it said, "Librarians think fiction is reality." valerief Jan 2014 #68
I once dated a librarian. riqster Jan 2014 #74
Cue the "But you just don't *understand* REAL Libertarianism!" crowd in 3...2.... n/t TygrBright Jan 2014 #71
When I say things like this, my libertarian friends tell me proReality Jan 2014 #76
Send them to the blog. Then watch them turn purple. riqster Jan 2014 #82
Worse, the economic Libertarians seem pretty convinced that reality is fictitious as well. TheKentuckian Jan 2014 #77
You didn't even mention bringing back the gold standard. SansACause Jan 2014 #78
Damn, there are so many libertarian fables. riqster Jan 2014 #81
Libertarian owned businesses are largely a disaster waiting to happen. JoeyT Jan 2014 #85
K&R cranky! Cha Jan 2014 #86
RUSH (the rock band) is NOT Libertarian! nikto Jan 2014 #88
Thanks, you are the second person to point that out. riqster Jan 2014 #89
Government was not imposed on us quaker bill Jan 2014 #90
Their founding document gwheezie Jan 2014 #91
That's about right. riqster Jan 2014 #92
pure logic gold heaven05 Jan 2014 #93
Thanks for the kind words. riqster Jan 2014 #94
I have a libertarian FB friend crystal dawn Jan 2014 #95
My thoughts are with you. riqster Jan 2014 #96
Libertarianism is the dogma of unrealistically selfish assholes. nt MrScorpio Jan 2014 #101
True Fact: Libertarianism works only if practiced by ethical, progressive community activists. byronius Jan 2014 #106
Libertarianism: the philosophy of anti-government cynicism and "the world revolves around me". eom Jamaal510 Jan 2014 #107
DYFS CRIMINALS Lilliy7 Mar 2015 #108
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