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In reply to the discussion: The problem is that white people see racism as conscious hate [View all]cinnabonbon
(860 posts)Ignorance and prejudice are certainly things that white people can experience, and they can be very hurtful and unfair. But without that institutional racism to back that up, those things lack the same impact of what POC experience, because they experience prejudice with the added bonus of knowing that it's being done by the descendants of their masters, in the society they left. Do you see why that might feel threatening and uncomfortable?
The OP says "they see racism as conscious hate," because people do that. That is not a bad thing. It means "it's easy to see racism when people are yelling slurs and hurting others and being obvious about it." The OP then goes on to elaborate, explaining there are subtler sides of racism that are harder to see, and that white people may not catch. This is because white people are treated differently than other races, because they are considered the "standard" that other races are judged against. This is not always obvious if you've grown up with it. However, it does colour the way you (general you, just in case you thought I was singling you out) see and experience the world. It's the same as if I'd say "rich people don't know what poverty can do to a person." Generally they don't, because they live in two different worlds. That doesn't mean "all" rich people don't. Speaking of which:
Please tell me where in my post I said "all white people do---" this and I'll rectify it. As far as I was aware, it was written in a general sense to avoid just that.
After all, saying "all people" do one thing is absurd.
Racism doesn't necessarily have to be about hate. It can be about ignorance and prejudice.
Yes! That is exactly what was written in the OP, if you reread it! I'm glad, because we agree on that. The only thing we disagree on is that white people face racism in a meaningful way.
As for me being hypocritical: no, sorry. No where in the OP does it say that "white people are racist", which was what I asked you to provide. That is a conclusion you are jumping to because you're not reading closely enough. I chose these two quotes because they both say that we all live in a racist system. That is different than saying a person is racist. A person can have racist ideas, of course, but it doesn't define a person the way you're indicating.
You are saying that I have to prove 'conscious hate' against white people. You have a double standard.
Why? That is the same standard I hold others to. There are hard data to support how black people have been treated by the government and hate groups. It's the same with how the Native Americans have been treated. There are many groups that have been singled out because of their skin. All I'm asking is some hard data to show how white people are negatively affected by (insert whoever are hating and oppressing them because of their skin colour) and that it's a structural and widespread problem here in the West.
It is certainly racial stereotyping to say that about "all of one race do x". However, one of these races have never been subjected to racism or subjugated in the same way other races have been, and basically saying that talking bluntly about racism is "racist against the white people" leaves a really bad taste in my mouth.