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In reply to the discussion: Libertarians think Fiction is Reality. [View all]freshwest
(53,661 posts)44. Their 'don't tax me bro' eliminated regulatory oversight, to destroy civil society and devolve to:
'The Jungle' by Upton Sinclair:

The Jungle is a 1906 book written by the American journalist and novelist Upton Sinclair 18781968).[1] Sinclair wrote the novel to portray the lives of immigrants in the United States in Chicago and similar industrialized cities.
Many readers were most concerned with his exposure of health violations and unsanitary practices in the American meatpacking industry during the early 20th century, based on an investigation he did for a socialist newspaper.
The book depicts working class poverty, the absence of social programs, harsh and unpleasant living and working conditions, and a hopelessness among many workers. These elements are contrasted with the deeply rooted corruption of people in power. A review by the writer Jack London called it, "the Uncle Tom's Cabin of wage slavery."[2]
Sinclair was considered a muckraker, or journalist who exposed corruption in government and business.[3] He first published the novel in serial form in 1905 in the socialist newspaper, Appeal to Reason, between February 25, 1905, and November 4, 1905. In 1904, Sinclair had spent seven weeks gathering information while working incognito in the meatpacking plants of the Chicago stockyards for the newspaper. It was published as a book on 26 February 1906 by Doubleday and in a subscribers' edition.[4]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Jungle
There are more favorable reviews of the book in searches, but this one shows better the mindset that we as Democrats are up against. Because he was a socialist and the book was sensationalist, it didn't go over well, but inspired public support in terms of regulation for health safety, but only for those able to buy products, not out of much concern for the then unpopular emigrants - the same attitude prevailed in worse form during the legalized practice of black slavery. The poor of any kind are demonized just like blacks and immigrants under the banner of not being white or 'real Americans.'
In those days, libertarian capitalism ruled and libertarians long for its return so much they are legislating it state by state with ALEC. That pre-progressive ere placed them well above the teeming masses, and they are all would be plutocrats.
Back then, just as now, the arrogant philosophers of libertarianism see workers deserving such condtions. They are, after all, 'parasites' and 'consumers,' not the 'job creators' and 'producers' in their world view. They are of less moral value than the animals in the slaughter houses.
Anything goes to get back to the 'natural order' of things, of the rich bleeding those less advantaged to death, and if government gets in the way of the producers, it is immoral, statist and tyrannical. That's why they hate and villify government and its supporters so much. They've done a great job in making those who support rightful actions by government unpopular. So people are subconsiously nervous about discussing, asking for or supporting any 'government program'
Libertartian leaders know full well those regulations are not working, as they vote against it day by day to make government less popular. They have brainwashed the masses into thinking all taxes, for the rich or poor, are immoral and against God, liberty, freedom or survival.
Cutting back on the number of government employees or leaving responsibility for regulation in the hands of the private sector, which is their way of governing, never leaves the ability to regulate. It becomes ineffective as the social safety net that keeps millions fed, off the street and healthy must come first, and they know that.
But they want that eliminated to keep people down to lower labor costs and thus enrich themselves.
Their system is a closed circle.
JMHO.

The Jungle is a 1906 book written by the American journalist and novelist Upton Sinclair 18781968).[1] Sinclair wrote the novel to portray the lives of immigrants in the United States in Chicago and similar industrialized cities.
Many readers were most concerned with his exposure of health violations and unsanitary practices in the American meatpacking industry during the early 20th century, based on an investigation he did for a socialist newspaper.
The book depicts working class poverty, the absence of social programs, harsh and unpleasant living and working conditions, and a hopelessness among many workers. These elements are contrasted with the deeply rooted corruption of people in power. A review by the writer Jack London called it, "the Uncle Tom's Cabin of wage slavery."[2]
Sinclair was considered a muckraker, or journalist who exposed corruption in government and business.[3] He first published the novel in serial form in 1905 in the socialist newspaper, Appeal to Reason, between February 25, 1905, and November 4, 1905. In 1904, Sinclair had spent seven weeks gathering information while working incognito in the meatpacking plants of the Chicago stockyards for the newspaper. It was published as a book on 26 February 1906 by Doubleday and in a subscribers' edition.[4]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Jungle
There are more favorable reviews of the book in searches, but this one shows better the mindset that we as Democrats are up against. Because he was a socialist and the book was sensationalist, it didn't go over well, but inspired public support in terms of regulation for health safety, but only for those able to buy products, not out of much concern for the then unpopular emigrants - the same attitude prevailed in worse form during the legalized practice of black slavery. The poor of any kind are demonized just like blacks and immigrants under the banner of not being white or 'real Americans.'
In those days, libertarian capitalism ruled and libertarians long for its return so much they are legislating it state by state with ALEC. That pre-progressive ere placed them well above the teeming masses, and they are all would be plutocrats.
Back then, just as now, the arrogant philosophers of libertarianism see workers deserving such condtions. They are, after all, 'parasites' and 'consumers,' not the 'job creators' and 'producers' in their world view. They are of less moral value than the animals in the slaughter houses.
Anything goes to get back to the 'natural order' of things, of the rich bleeding those less advantaged to death, and if government gets in the way of the producers, it is immoral, statist and tyrannical. That's why they hate and villify government and its supporters so much. They've done a great job in making those who support rightful actions by government unpopular. So people are subconsiously nervous about discussing, asking for or supporting any 'government program'
Libertartian leaders know full well those regulations are not working, as they vote against it day by day to make government less popular. They have brainwashed the masses into thinking all taxes, for the rich or poor, are immoral and against God, liberty, freedom or survival.
Cutting back on the number of government employees or leaving responsibility for regulation in the hands of the private sector, which is their way of governing, never leaves the ability to regulate. It becomes ineffective as the social safety net that keeps millions fed, off the street and healthy must come first, and they know that.
But they want that eliminated to keep people down to lower labor costs and thus enrich themselves.
Their system is a closed circle.
JMHO.
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what interests me (in a sad way) is that in spite of all these sort of examples...
phantom power
Jan 2014
#3
The libertarians have taken control of the marketplace of ideas over the past decades
riqster
Jan 2014
#5
that's funny I have also seen those on the very far left agree with the Libertarians too!
VanillaRhapsody
Jan 2014
#53
No, it seemed to be implied otherwise I have trouble seeing what point was being made
TheKentuckian
Jan 2014
#102
The Libertarians I know are all in favor of throwing the management of the West Fertilizer Company
AtheistCrusader
Jan 2014
#11
but that's facile of them, because corporations specifically protect individuals against that.
phantom power
Jan 2014
#20
True, there are numerous flaws in their position, quite beyond simple 'how much money CAN you pay
AtheistCrusader
Jan 2014
#22
What's funny is when you pin down a Libertarian they say a LAWSUIT keeps companies in line...
Spitfire of ATJ
Jan 2014
#13
No wonder. Because they've legislated individual rights vs. corporations to 'frivolous' complaints
freshwest
Jan 2014
#38
They also believe that a lawsuit is a swift and sure cure for injuries
Fortinbras Armstrong
Jan 2014
#28
Followed by the classic, "Whatever they're paying you, I'll double it."
Spitfire of ATJ
Jan 2014
#99
You can add in the 4/23/2005 BP Texas City refinery blast that killed 15 b/c BP budgeted the price
Dustlawyer
Jan 2014
#21
You bet your ass! People have no idea what that kind of money, coupled with amoral business
Dustlawyer
Jan 2014
#31
Their 'don't tax me bro' eliminated regulatory oversight, to destroy civil society and devolve to:
freshwest
Jan 2014
#44
Ah, but their core group survives. That's the fact we ignore at our peril. It works for plutocrats.
freshwest
Jan 2014
#48
Isn't that how the 1% wants it, though? Not arguing it is wrong... but we must see what it is. BTW,
freshwest
Jan 2014
#62
You are expecting people to distinguish between left-libertarianism the political orientation,
Warren DeMontague
Jan 2014
#61
Make this go viral. Most conservative and some other groups believe this fiction. n/t
freshwest
Jan 2014
#35
I read the subject line quickly and thought it said, "Librarians think fiction is reality."
valerief
Jan 2014
#68
Cue the "But you just don't *understand* REAL Libertarianism!" crowd in 3...2.... n/t
TygrBright
Jan 2014
#71
Worse, the economic Libertarians seem pretty convinced that reality is fictitious as well.
TheKentuckian
Jan 2014
#77
True Fact: Libertarianism works only if practiced by ethical, progressive community activists.
byronius
Jan 2014
#106