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Shandris

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9. It is human nature to try to be 'better' than someone else; this holds true even in the concept of..
Mon Jan 13, 2014, 10:02 PM
Jan 2014

..'of the people, by the people, and for the people'. So from before the moment the first paper was signed, the idea of this kind of governance was already under attack. It was always more of a platitude than a reality in the first place anyways; remember, this speech is coming from the man who didn't really want to see 'all' men equal at all. He didn't want to free the slaves so much as he wanted to affect the Southern war economy. It's just empty talk, although very few people in his day knew that.

No matter how you lace republicanism and democracy, no gathering of people is ever going to be truly, completely concerned for each others needs. There will be those who are true to those words, certainly, but for each of them there is a conniver waiting to usurp their voice. Until you find a way to completely alter fundamental humanity, this will be a problem (and I'm not so sure altering fundamental humanity is such a good idea in the first place, although I'd -love- to modify through teaching some of their more base impulses). It's always been nothing more than a dream, with as much chance of being reality as a dream.

Edit: Note though, that that doesn't mean we just toss our hands up in the air and give up. We do what we can, where we can, when we can. To do any less is, imo, morally repugnant.

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The day after the Constitution was signed. Scuba Jan 2014 #1
I think for me it was JFK's assassination Politicalboi Jan 2014 #2
That's part of it gopiscrap Jan 2014 #21
Reagan: "Government IS the problem." tblue Jan 2014 #3
100% correct Freddie Jan 2014 #15
Willy, I think it really took hold with two things. Trailrider1951 Jan 2014 #4
If you put a gun to my head I'd say Nixon was the turning point Fumesucker Jan 2014 #5
Santa Clara County v. Southern Pacific Railroad was a major step on that road steve2470 Jan 2014 #6
THREAD WINNER! although all the barons of industry prior did the same it never went to court Drew Richards Jan 2014 #20
When Free Trade was signed. patricia92243 Jan 2014 #7
Didn't happen all at once, could have been turned many times. I'd say post WW2 was when... NYC_SKP Jan 2014 #8
It is human nature to try to be 'better' than someone else; this holds true even in the concept of.. Shandris Jan 2014 #9
Wow. Well said! randome Jan 2014 #13
Neither platitude noe reality, a goal. They were keenly aware of their hypocrisies and Egalitarian Thug Jan 2014 #23
An interesting analysis, and one I can somewhat understand. Shandris Jan 2014 #24
I think it happened during the Turbineguy Jan 2014 #10
Abraham Lincoln suspending Habeas Corpus during the Civil War Doc_Technical Jan 2014 #11
Eisenhower warned us TBF Jan 2014 #12
On the Mayflower. moondust Jan 2014 #14
No, it wasn't 9/11, which is the excuse they give for enacting their prior agenda. Look back to the blkmusclmachine Jan 2014 #16
I'd say the late 60s Warpy Jan 2014 #17
Yes...but, think it was after WWII when we became World's Policeman and Caregiver... KoKo Jan 2014 #18
For me it started with the JFK assassination, and went into complete unravel Warren Stupidity Jan 2014 #19
I'd say it was with fucking reagan gopiscrap Jan 2014 #22
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