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(3,284 posts)88. RUSH (the rock band) is NOT Libertarian!
Last edited Thu Jan 16, 2014, 12:19 AM - Edit history (2)
Neil Peart (Rolling Stone interview, June 12, 2012):...but you were interested in the writings of Ayn Rand decades ago. Do her words still speak to you?
Oh, no. That was 40 years ago. But it was important to me at the time in a transition of finding myself and having faith that what I believed was worthwhile. I had come up with that moral attitude about music, and then in my late teens I moved to England to seek fame and fortune and all that, and I was kind of stunned by the cynicism and the factory-like atmosphere of the music world over there, and it shook me. I'm thinking, "Am I wrong? Am I stupid and naïve? This is the way that everybody does everything and, had I better get with the program?"
For me, it was an affirmation that it's all right to totally believe in something and live for it and not compromise. It was a simple as that. On that 2112 album, again, I was in my early twenties. I was a kid. Now I call myself a bleeding heart libertarian. Because I do believe in the principles of Libertarianism as an ideal because I'm an idealist. Paul Theroux's definition of a cynic is a disappointed idealist. So as you go through past your twenties, your idealism is going to be disappointed many many times. And so, I've brought my view and also I've just realized this Libertarianism as I understood it was very good and pure and we're all going to be successful and generous to the less fortunate and it was, to me, not dark or cynical. But then I soon saw, of course, the way that it gets twisted by the flaws of humanity. And that's when I evolve now into . . . a bleeding heart Libertarian. That'll do.
Read more: http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/q-a-neil-peart-on-rushs-new-lp-and-being-a-bleeding-heart-libertarian-20120612#ixzz2qMZ68X9C
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(From Daily Kos, June, 2012)
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/06/22/1102317/-Rush-the-Band-on-Rush-Politics-and-Michael-Moore
Alex Lifeson, the guitar player for Rush gave an interview in
the June 2012 issue of High Times magazine:
Do you consider yourself a libertarian?
I think I'm a liberal. I'm certainly socially liberal. And I think government can play
an important role in our lives, which libertarians don't believe.
As far as our album 2112 and the tribute to Ayn Rand - I read one of her books,
but she was a little too far out for me. For Neil, it was a period in his life,
and now he's kind of moved on.
Geddy Lee:
(quotes)
One the last tour, Michael Moore came to one of our shows, and we found out
that he's a big Rush fan. He was saying that very thing to us about Subdivisions,
and he quotes Subdivisions at the top of his last book. And I thought that was fascinating,
because I have a lot of respect for him and I love what he does; he's smart, and he's a moral guy.
Then, a couple paragraphs later there is this gem:
(Classic Rock Mag):
Talking of cruel and inhuman, you've recently told
right-wing American firebrand Rush Limbaugh to stop using your music on his radio show.
Geddy Lee: I didn't know he was using our music. Apparently, he's been using Spirit of Radio
for quite a few years; We didn't know that. And I wouldn't know where to find his radio show,
he's such an offensive human being; I try not to bring that into my life. Anyway,
this gentleman who works for The Huffington Post wrote to us and made us aware of it.
We did a similar thing with Rand Paul, the Libertarian candidate-he's like a Tea Party guy,
he's Ron Paul's son-earlier this year. We heard he was using our music on his campaign
and actually quoting lyrics of ours, and we sent him a nice letter saying, "Please don't do this."
I don't want to be seen as sponsoring these guys. A lot of situations you can't control
how you're music's being used. You don't want to get caught up in it too much, but some
people just put you in a position where you have to separate yourself from it.
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And so there you have it, from recent interviews (2012)-------
The Band RUSH is not libertarian---They are Liberal/Progressive leaning,
at the very least, and are clearly not allies or supporters of current rightwing politics.
Never again let any rightwinger use Rush as an example of
a "rightwing/libertarian/Conservative rock band".
By their own recent words,
they are not, plain and simple.
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what interests me (in a sad way) is that in spite of all these sort of examples...
phantom power
Jan 2014
#3
The libertarians have taken control of the marketplace of ideas over the past decades
riqster
Jan 2014
#5
that's funny I have also seen those on the very far left agree with the Libertarians too!
VanillaRhapsody
Jan 2014
#53
No, it seemed to be implied otherwise I have trouble seeing what point was being made
TheKentuckian
Jan 2014
#102
The Libertarians I know are all in favor of throwing the management of the West Fertilizer Company
AtheistCrusader
Jan 2014
#11
but that's facile of them, because corporations specifically protect individuals against that.
phantom power
Jan 2014
#20
True, there are numerous flaws in their position, quite beyond simple 'how much money CAN you pay
AtheistCrusader
Jan 2014
#22
What's funny is when you pin down a Libertarian they say a LAWSUIT keeps companies in line...
Spitfire of ATJ
Jan 2014
#13
No wonder. Because they've legislated individual rights vs. corporations to 'frivolous' complaints
freshwest
Jan 2014
#38
They also believe that a lawsuit is a swift and sure cure for injuries
Fortinbras Armstrong
Jan 2014
#28
Followed by the classic, "Whatever they're paying you, I'll double it."
Spitfire of ATJ
Jan 2014
#99
You can add in the 4/23/2005 BP Texas City refinery blast that killed 15 b/c BP budgeted the price
Dustlawyer
Jan 2014
#21
You bet your ass! People have no idea what that kind of money, coupled with amoral business
Dustlawyer
Jan 2014
#31
Their 'don't tax me bro' eliminated regulatory oversight, to destroy civil society and devolve to:
freshwest
Jan 2014
#44
Ah, but their core group survives. That's the fact we ignore at our peril. It works for plutocrats.
freshwest
Jan 2014
#48
Isn't that how the 1% wants it, though? Not arguing it is wrong... but we must see what it is. BTW,
freshwest
Jan 2014
#62
You are expecting people to distinguish between left-libertarianism the political orientation,
Warren DeMontague
Jan 2014
#61
Make this go viral. Most conservative and some other groups believe this fiction. n/t
freshwest
Jan 2014
#35
I read the subject line quickly and thought it said, "Librarians think fiction is reality."
valerief
Jan 2014
#68
Cue the "But you just don't *understand* REAL Libertarianism!" crowd in 3...2.... n/t
TygrBright
Jan 2014
#71
Worse, the economic Libertarians seem pretty convinced that reality is fictitious as well.
TheKentuckian
Jan 2014
#77
True Fact: Libertarianism works only if practiced by ethical, progressive community activists.
byronius
Jan 2014
#106