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bhikkhu

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93. Which is one thing I think about as well
Fri Mar 16, 2012, 08:39 PM
Mar 2012

- though at the moment you could say its beside the point, as the troops aren't "ours" anyway.

But my original thought was of a son of a guy who was my neighbor a few years back. The kid was always some trouble or other, playing jokes and getting into all the regular messes kids get into, and seemed headed nowhere good by the time he was about 16. He wasn't serious about anything, least of all school, didn't care about the what he was going to do tomorrow any more than he cared about what he did yesterday, and hung out mostly with a bunch of no-account kids who were unlikely to stay out of jail for long (this is how his dad tells it).

Anyway, 9-11, they watch the towers go down, and the next day his son says he's thought it through - the first serious decision of his life - and he wants to join the military. His dad gave him a rash of crap about how he wouldn't last a month, how he'd never get in with his grades, and how you don't just go in because you're mad and want to kick ass, because that's not how it works.

The kid comes back with how he'll get his grades up, whatever it takes, he'll stick with it because he's made up his mind, and he doesn't want to kick ass - he wants to protect people.

And then he did all that, and two tours in Iraq, and one in Afghanistan, and he's out now and going to college.

Now, he wasn't ever the best and the brightest, and I don't know how it was for him over there, but I imagine it was hard to fight in a war that was increasingly pointless as it went on - to go in with all the right reasons and see it all turn to crap. But I think that's more the kind of kid who went into the service and is still there - usually good at heart, breakable but determined, and I'd make plenty of allowances for a sense of humor if it lets a guy keep his perspective.

In a way, that makes the crusader label kind of fitting - they were plenty of the rich guys who went, but mostly it was regular guys who were talked into "the cause" because they were the sort who wanted to do something important and something right. Of course, there were atrocities on both sides of that, and most of those guys never came home. The crusades were a big con job that failed, which I think many of the guys coming home today can relate to.

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Ah yes, that whole "winning hearts and minds" mandate MadHound Mar 2012 #1
Did the Germans ever say they were winning hearts and minds? nt Snake Alchemist Mar 2012 #54
Good news! The soldier in the picture isn't in Afghanistan. Robb Mar 2012 #61
That seems unwise. Skinner Mar 2012 #2
This kind of thing can only go on with the sufferance of HillWilliam Mar 2012 #3
Keeping morale up in an extended deployment does require some allowance for individual expression slackmaster Mar 2012 #7
are they really allowed warrior1 Mar 2012 #4
Not last time I checked. Conduct unbecoming. lonestarnot Mar 2012 #10
German forces, or American? OPOS Mar 2012 #88
They are not allowed to add patches to their uniforms. hack89 Mar 2012 #29
Disgusting. nt woo me with science Mar 2012 #5
support the troops? Are you kidding me? Not these troops. bowens43 Mar 2012 #6
A little walk in their shoes might help bhikkhu Mar 2012 #18
not that kind of humor! G_j Mar 2012 #26
Isn't it Self Bigotry? OPOS Mar 2012 #91
And they are all volunteers. bluedigger Mar 2012 #67
Not necessarily German troops nadinbrzezinski Mar 2012 #71
Actually, it is now in abeyance (2011). bluedigger Mar 2012 #72
Well it is not moot since troops don't get a vote nadinbrzezinski Mar 2012 #73
Well, if economic distress absolves one of morality, I guess it's a good choice. bluedigger Mar 2012 #75
I am sure you'd rather every active member walks off post right fracking now nadinbrzezinski Mar 2012 #77
I'm having a great reality day. bluedigger Mar 2012 #81
Again, people are not going walk off post to please you nadinbrzezinski Mar 2012 #84
Which is one thing I think about as well bhikkhu Mar 2012 #93
Post removed Post removed Mar 2012 #78
Pathetic and Offensive, reported NT OPOS Mar 2012 #92
Well, they're not actually your troops to support. TheWraith Mar 2012 #38
Are you German? nt Snake Alchemist Mar 2012 #57
Ahh Generalizations OPOS Mar 2012 #90
Holy stupid. The Doctor. Mar 2012 #8
R#10 & K for, when the word "crusade" passed Shrub's lips, I immediately was stunned UTUSN Mar 2012 #9
That's a very small pig cthulu2016 Mar 2012 #11
or a very big man Motown_Johnny Mar 2012 #16
so much for the "the afghan people are the prize" bs. mopinko Mar 2012 #12
I can't believe they are allowed to put anything they want on.... Bonhomme Richard Mar 2012 #13
They are not. hack89 Mar 2012 #15
So this is a lie Aerows Mar 2012 #27
You will never see American troops wearing that patch on their uniforms. hack89 Mar 2012 #14
So are these the mercenaries? "Contractors", they're called? loudsue Mar 2012 #17
uh, German NATO troops? dionysus Mar 2012 #19
Those are German soldiers. nt hack89 Mar 2012 #20
This is a disgusting smear then Aerows Mar 2012 #28
How do you know they're from Germany? sinkingfeeling Mar 2012 #80
Look at their gear. TheWraith Mar 2012 #82
The link from the OP. hack89 Mar 2012 #87
These guys aren't in Afghanistan. Swede Mar 2012 #99
America will experience blowback from our 'campaigns' for the next 50 years. sinkingfeeling Mar 2012 #21
What about Germany? nt Snake Alchemist Mar 2012 #60
What about it? sinkingfeeling Mar 2012 #79
Will the blowback be similar? nt Snake Alchemist Mar 2012 #83
No, because Germany did not invade their countries, nor send drones to kill civilians, sinkingfeeling Mar 2012 #85
How lovely! These patches are being sold by the LAPD! sinkingfeeling Mar 2012 #22
LA Police Gear, Inc is NOT associated with the LAPD hack89 Mar 2012 #23
Meh, make something similar about Christians and some on DU will pass them out for free The Straight Story Mar 2012 #24
That patch IS about Christians. Goblinmonger Mar 2012 #44
This is why Aerows Mar 2012 #25
It's like sympathetic magic, a way to control EFerrari Mar 2012 #32
Except now it appears Aerows Mar 2012 #33
The patches are obviously marketed in English to American troops EFerrari Mar 2012 #47
Let's wait until we have proof of that Aerows Mar 2012 #50
Neil Shea, a journalist, wrote this article about being embedded EFerrari Mar 2012 #53
I'm not arguing that we don't need to leave Aerows Mar 2012 #56
Again Robb Mar 2012 #63
Thank you Aerows Mar 2012 #98
Of course they're doing something horrible. There's no "seem" about it. EFerrari Mar 2012 #68
Those uniforms and weapons don't look US Nuclear Unicorn Mar 2012 #30
It looks like this is a horrible smear against the American troops Aerows Mar 2012 #31
The link says they are German. nt hack89 Mar 2012 #35
The article identifies the soidier as a German. n/t EFerrari Mar 2012 #39
Show me a picture of an American soldier actually wearing or using this stuff in Afghanistan hack89 Mar 2012 #34
That's not a US soldier in the pic there. Robb Mar 2012 #36
Can you please change the article title to reflect Aerows Mar 2012 #37
The "in Afghanistan" part is wrong, too. Robb Mar 2012 #41
i changed the title -- but i'm going to note that both the zippo xchrom Mar 2012 #43
Thank you Aerows Mar 2012 #49
If the actual Zippo company is making this garbage they need be boycotted and recieve some angry Erose999 Mar 2012 #51
It could be an engraving Aerows Mar 2012 #52
Well the lighter is od green and the text is sand colored, looks to be screen printed to me. Erose999 Mar 2012 #64
I to was amazed to see the lighter nykym Mar 2012 #70
It doesn't look like screen printing Aerows Mar 2012 #96
Troops Still Embrace 'Infidel' Label xchrom Mar 2012 #62
Patriotism is not the right word. The word the writer should have used is "jingoism". Erose999 Mar 2012 #65
This message was self-deleted by its author LeftinOH Mar 2012 #40
I've read somewhere that the Arabic under "infidel" is mistranslated Nolimit Mar 2012 #42
They need a hyphen between "pork" and "eating." Goblinmonger Mar 2012 #45
That looks more like a turkey leg sold at Rennaissance Fairs than a pork chop. My guess is that who Erose999 Mar 2012 #46
this is an american company that sells this -- l.a. police gear. xchrom Mar 2012 #48
Enscribed Zippos were popular in Vietnam, most of that stuff was done by the local Vietnamese Erose999 Mar 2012 #55
Exactly Aerows Mar 2012 #58
vulgarity is, by its own definition, vulgar... LanternWaste Mar 2012 #59
Since these are German troops, not American, this may be a moot point auburngrad82 Mar 2012 #66
So nice the patch is in English and Arabic gratuitous Mar 2012 #69
Most of this crap is not worn in Afghanistan or anywhere but in MineralMan Mar 2012 #74
Love to have that lighter... Elric Mar 2012 #76
We all advertise our class and ethics in many different ways... LanternWaste Mar 2012 #86
xchrom I love you dearly Aerows Mar 2012 #89
Looks more like a chicken leg! Old Troop Mar 2012 #94
I'm more pissed off at governments that put them there Union Scribe Mar 2012 #95
There is no ISAF patch on his shoulders so he ain't in Afghanistan. Swede Mar 2012 #97
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