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NCTraveler

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Wed Jan 15, 2014, 11:38 AM Jan 2014

Some thoughts on the new Pope, his influence in the world, and here at DU. [View all]

There have been many ops and posts about the new Pope here at DU, as there should be. He is very powerful and influential when it comes to the thoughts and direction of millions of people. His influence, through the Catholic Church, is the real reason opinions of him are so strong.

At this point, the new Pope has said many great things. If he continues in this direction he can truly have a positive impact on the way many of the Catholic Church followers conduct their business. These changes can slowly creep into the mentality of millions of people. It will not happen overnight, but can happen over decades.

That being said, the new Pope and the Catholic Church will continue to hold on to some of their abhorrent policies. I do think the new Pope is in some way trying to minimize the churches stance on how its followers are to judge people it believes to be sinners, but the policies will still be in place. Lets be clear, the church will continue its direction of holding me as a second class citizen for being a women. The church will continue to spread their hate toward gays. These things are not going to change with the new Pope.

I really just want to remind some of those promoting the new Pope to be careful in how adamant you are about how great he is. He is an extremely flawed man, yet much better than his predecessors. Please understand, if one is gay or a woman, there is no reason to respect the Pope or even recognize some of his positive rhetoric. I want to make that clear. For some of us, his hate for us as a person overcomes all else. That is a fair statement and needs to be understood.

Love and respect the members of our community. All of them. Understand that the church and the Pope promote and spread hate toward many of our friends here. That is not acceptable. While I do notice some of the Popes very positive rhetoric, I do not see the Catholic Church or its hierarchy as positive until they accept and welcome my friends who have done nothing wrong. I do not see the Pope as positive until he stops the Church from spreading hate and attacking people I love.

Please be careful and thoughtful when talking about a church and Pope that aggressively attacks our friends and loved ones.

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Very well said JustAnotherGen Jan 2014 #1
The Pope probably will not be changing many things some believe should be changed. I do like his Thinkingabout Jan 2014 #2
Thanks you. I was just called "a crazy" because I Arugula Latte Jan 2014 #3
While I haven't seen the posts in question.. NCTraveler Jan 2014 #7
I've been called a 'hater' for not welcoming a bigot who opposes my rights. Bluenorthwest Jan 2014 #24
It just goes to show, people like to hear what they want to hear. cleanhippie Jan 2014 #4
Francis LOL snooper2 Jan 2014 #5
He's off his meds isnt he... Katashi_itto Jan 2014 #12
No, he is better now.. snooper2 Jan 2014 #18
And off to the greatest page for you. Vashta Nerada Jan 2014 #6
Thank you…this is where it really is at.. Tikki Jan 2014 #8
Kick. Arugula Latte Jan 2014 #9
Perhaps the topic can be moved to Religion forum? 1000words Jan 2014 #10
I don't think you are using the proper method while making this request. nt. NCTraveler Jan 2014 #11
It wasn't a formal request ... just a musing. 1000words Jan 2014 #13
As was I. NCTraveler Jan 2014 #15
Thank you for this thread theHandpuppet Jan 2014 #14
understood Egnever Jan 2014 #16
Take the bad? Nope, I will resist the bad as long as it continues to oppress me and those I love. PeaceNikki Jan 2014 #20
Sorry we don't have to take the bad, ie bigoted hate speech and actions Bluenorthwest Jan 2014 #25
No one is forcing you to do anything Egnever Jan 2014 #41
This is a very well worded post - although it convinces me further el_bryanto Jan 2014 #17
Respect and thoughtfulness should also be accorded Catholic DUers bklyncowgirl Jan 2014 #19
For those he shows hate and disdain for.... NCTraveler Jan 2014 #22
Golden Rule suggests that if you accept Francis saying gay people are from Bluenorthwest Jan 2014 #26
I left the Catholic Church many years ago because of these issues. bklyncowgirl Jan 2014 #32
Don't do that presume to know what I feel Bluenorthwest Jan 2014 #35
+1 BuddhaGirl Jan 2014 #39
VERY well said. Thank you. PeaceNikki Jan 2014 #21
Agree. ananda Jan 2014 #23
He's just a very successful schill. Unless he is a complete idiot... Walk away Jan 2014 #27
thanks and I am amazed how few think about others Bluenorthwest Jan 2014 #28
Thank you for posting this Bluenorthwest. NCTraveler Jan 2014 #29
Ditto that theHandpuppet Jan 2014 #31
Lipstick on a Pig HockeyMom Jan 2014 #30
This Pope's criticism of Capitalism is significant. Ron Green Jan 2014 #33
And I would like to see some 3 1/2 billion... theHandpuppet Jan 2014 #34
That's probably not going to happen overnight, Ron Green Jan 2014 #36
And this is a defense of a totally patriarchal organization? theHandpuppet Jan 2014 #38
But the RCC is one of the top 10 holders of real estate in the world Bluenorthwest Jan 2014 #37
And I do personally see it as a big move. NCTraveler Jan 2014 #40
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