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CreekDog

(46,192 posts) Wed Jan 15, 2014, 11:39 AM Jan 2014

For concealed carry permits, why not restrictions similar to getting a security clearance? [View all]

Last edited Wed Jan 15, 2014, 02:58 PM - Edit history (1)

This is a very large responsibility, especially in a country with so many gun deaths.

In addition to ensuring that the person is trained sufficiently to not only be able to use the gun accurately (and the judgement to use it not at all if they can't).

Similar to background investigations for security clearances, before being granted, investigations into mental health issues (not just anything, but focused on whether the person may be a danger to hurt themselves or others) as well as interviews with neighbors and colleagues.

We ask similar things of those who handle highly important information. Why not those who are sanctioned by the government to carry a gun, concealed?

(I posted this because it appears the Florida shooter may have been carrying his weapon concealed and in addition, had recently had an altercation with another person...tighter regulation of concealed permitting, including ongoing evaluation to keep such a permit, I think is warranted if someone wants to carry such lethal force concealed).

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For concealed carry permits, why not restrictions similar to getting a security clearance? [View all] CreekDog Jan 2014 OP

Well, for NY State ... Straw Man Jan 2014 #1

Has the TOS in GD changed? Eleanors38 Jan 2014 #2

GD does not have a "Terms of Service" (TOS) CreekDog Jan 2014 #3

Oh, sorry. Ahem. SOP. What's so curious about following the, uh, SOP? Eleanors38 Jan 2014 #4

I'm not violating any rules. I've actively followed what's allowed and disallowed and conformed CreekDog Jan 2014 #6

I think it is obvious some banners desire Guns in GD Eleanors38 Jan 2014 #7

So you're saying this thread should be locked because it's pro-gun control? CreekDog Jan 2014 #13

No. It's the SOP, Creek. Why don't you follow it? Eleanors38 Jan 2014 #16

So you're saying that I should ignore what Skinner said in ATA about the topic? CreekDog Jan 2014 #19

See #8. Eleanors38 Jan 2014 #21

what you would ban from discussion is more broad than what Skinner has suggested CreekDog Jan 2014 #25

That's the prob, Creek: You "don't listen." There was a reason Eleanors38 Jan 2014 #122

Nobody who has been posting as conservatively as you is going to accuse me... CreekDog Jan 2014 #124

Creek. What's in Your resume? Eleanors38 Jan 2014 #146

I know the answer. Ranchemp. Jan 2014 #32

Yeah, a lot of things are obvious. Kingofalldems Jan 2014 #36

HI BUDDY! Ranchemp. Jan 2014 #37

Funny how those who LOVE TO DISCUSS GUNS, want to stop Gun Discussions in GD CreekDog Jan 2014 #41

I've come to accept the discussion of guns in GD, Ranchemp. Jan 2014 #44

Exactly, the people insisting we can't handle discussion of guns in GD are usually gun advocates Bjorn Against Jan 2014 #52

you see us little people aren't really qualified to discuss guns CreekDog Jan 2014 #108

Gee if you don't like gun threads in GD maybe you should Kingofalldems Jan 2014 #45

Hey BUDDY, Ranchemp. Jan 2014 #49

You sure do post about them. Kingofalldems Jan 2014 #55

About running to Skinner? Ranchemp. Jan 2014 #58

'Insignificant things'---you wrote it. Kingofalldems Jan 2014 #59

I have no reason to contact Skinner, he has much better things to do, why don't Ranchemp. Jan 2014 #61

If you want to post about guns you can go to Kingofalldems Jan 2014 #62

Great, now all you've got to do is convince your buddies Ranchemp. Jan 2014 #119

Oh poor thing HangOnKids Jan 2014 #144

Awwww look, Ranchemp. Jan 2014 #149

Ahh how cute. The countdown begins. HangOnKids Jan 2014 #163

Yeah, the Angels sucked this last season, Ranchemp. Jan 2014 #164

The countdown continues.... HangOnKids Jan 2014 #165

And just when I thought we were having a bonding moment. Ranchemp. Jan 2014 #166

Keep Going HangOnKids Jan 2014 #167

LOL. Ranchemp. Jan 2014 #168

Ouch. Kingofalldems Jan 2014 #150

Hi BEST BUDDY. Ranchemp. Jan 2014 #152

Apparently they have decided you can't discuss Kingofalldems Jan 2014 #151

Naw, I'm not going to bother the Admins about being blocked, Ranchemp. Jan 2014 #153

it's not a violation. as for the gun control group, most in GD are in favor of gun control. CreekDog Jan 2014 #39

Agreed. Kingofalldems Jan 2014 #43

This message was self-deleted by its author Ranchemp. Jan 2014 #50

Banners? Tommy_Carcetti Jan 2014 #121

I have a question... Jenoch Jan 2014 #20

Screen names of members blocked from that group can be seen in the "About this group" and... CreekDog Jan 2014 #22

Do you check those lists daily? Jenoch Jan 2014 #28

No, I did it once, so it could be a few weeks out of date CreekDog Jan 2014 #31

I think your estimation of half is too high. Jenoch Jan 2014 #35

47% is roughly half is it not? CreekDog Jan 2014 #38

Ok...I believe you. Jenoch Jan 2014 #40

it's not an "inner working". and i don't have any list or access to one that you don't have. CreekDog Jan 2014 #42

I was actually wishing for you to tell me where to find it. Jenoch Jan 2014 #47

That is interesting etherealtruth Jan 2014 #117

... ScreamingMeemie Jan 2014 #5

This is SUCH "big news," isn't it? Standard policy/philosophy question Eleanors38 Jan 2014 #8

It is related to the big Florida shooting story, it is big news and it is national in scope CreekDog Jan 2014 #10

You didn't mention that once in your OP Kurska Jan 2014 #12

i was posting about national concealed weapons policy CreekDog Jan 2014 #15

"are there some rules and procedures... that i'm obligated to follow" Yeah the SOP for the forum Kurska Jan 2014 #29

i'm being perfectly honest. why do you think my question about concealed carry came up this morning? CreekDog Jan 2014 #46

Ha. Your argument is broken. You want to talk guns in GD? Eleanors38 Jan 2014 #123

10 hours later and the post is still here HangOnKids Jan 2014 #139

Read my posts, Hang. Eleanors38 Jan 2014 #145

I don't understand what your problem is. I'm referencing a big news event. CreekDog Jan 2014 #9

No it isn't. ScreamingMeemie Jan 2014 #11

you're saying the florida theater shooting is not national news? CreekDog Jan 2014 #17

It's not. Agschmid Jan 2014 #67

CNN isn't national? CreekDog Jan 2014 #72

Why is this death so much worse than all the others? Agschmid Jan 2014 #74

We should be outraged every day Bjorn Against Jan 2014 #77

Ah, there's the rub, Bjorn... Eleanors38 Jan 2014 #125

I have asked Skinner to drop the rule Bjorn Against Jan 2014 #127

Fine by me. Curiously, the main gun group (Gungeon) Eleanors38 Jan 2014 #129

I look forward to open discussion of guns in GD Bjorn Against Jan 2014 #130

so that's why you keep trying to lock these threads CreekDog Jan 2014 #78

The lines between which you read are incredibly wide, no? Agschmid Jan 2014 #85

no, empirical observation of statements here and elsewhere CreekDog Jan 2014 #87

I am able to back up everything I say. Agschmid Jan 2014 #89

Agschmid I will say I found you to be a very fair host even though you locked my thread Bjorn Against Jan 2014 #92

Thank you! Agschmid Jan 2014 #93

Actually I did notice that you were pro gun control CreekDog Jan 2014 #113

How come almost everybody I know have heard about it if it's such a mundane event? NealK Jan 2014 #73

Every gun death should be national news. Agschmid Jan 2014 #75

yet you don't think any of them should be discussed in GD CreekDog Jan 2014 #80

No it's not. Agschmid Jan 2014 #84

you keep posting in this thread that "every death is important" CreekDog Jan 2014 #86

The post stands 9 hours later HangOnKids Jan 2014 #143

Hosting is not "right or wrong"... Agschmid Jan 2014 #147

This latest Florida theater shooting is even International News, actually Electric Monk Jan 2014 #88

This is international news too... Agschmid Jan 2014 #90

You chose that to post because you think the Blue Helmets might be coming to take your preciouses? Electric Monk Jan 2014 #142

I don't have guns. Agschmid Jan 2014 #148

This message was self-deleted by its author CreekDog Jan 2014 #71

So it's the new normal? Nothing to see here, move along. NealK Jan 2014 #65

Rules. Straw Man Jan 2014 #99

The naval yard shooter passed a background check AND a security clearance Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2014 #14

no we don't actually have the system in place that i've described CreekDog Jan 2014 #18

I came no where near asserting we had the system you propose. Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2014 #30

It seems like the pro-gunners only care to discuss whether gollygee Jan 2014 #23

Correct! Those MOST INTERESTED IN DISCUSSING GUNS, want this thread stopped. CreekDog Jan 2014 #27

And others wish to avoid discussing the relevant law applying to the Florida incident friendly_iconoclast Jan 2014 #132

Because guns. Orrex Jan 2014 #24

In Vermont you don't need a license to cc or open carry. As long as you're over 16 cali Jan 2014 #26

As a retired cop, the shooter required no permit to carry concealed. X_Digger Jan 2014 #33

He has to have a photo ID issued by the agency he retired from... Kaleva Jan 2014 #95

True; I don't know about FL, but in Dallas.. X_Digger Jan 2014 #103

Yep libodem Jan 2014 #34

Apples and oranges... sarisataka Jan 2014 #48

I don't want to loosen controls anywhere they are tighter CreekDog Jan 2014 #53

Then you are in a corner... sarisataka Jan 2014 #56

I'm not in a corner and I'm not going to let the disingenuous "concerns" of gungeoner-type-thinking CreekDog Jan 2014 #60

Post away sarisataka Jan 2014 #63

You put yourself in one by not knowing about the relevant law in the Florida shooting... friendly_iconoclast Jan 2014 #137

Are you willing to sacrifice the nice little soundbites attached to future gun legislation.. X_Digger Jan 2014 #57

X-Digger, always chiming in to support gun control legislation CreekDog Jan 2014 #69

I'll take that as a 'no', then that you don't support repeal of FLEOSA? X_Digger Jan 2014 #70

don't play games and put words in my mouth. i've explained what i support. CreekDog Jan 2014 #76

So in your world, FLEOSA isn't even a tangent to the FL shooting? That explains a lot. X_Digger Jan 2014 #79

I'm not answering your questions, whatever fantasy you post about what I support is BS CreekDog Jan 2014 #81

For someone claiming that this thread is about the FL shooting.. X_Digger Jan 2014 #82

I am with you on this one CreekDog, that poster was being extremely intelectually dishonest Bjorn Against Jan 2014 #83

that's the classic style of their arguments. CreekDog Jan 2014 #97

Classic arguments. Straw Man Jan 2014 #100

81% of posts in Gun Control and RKBA. Next! CreekDog Jan 2014 #101

Well, there's a quandry ... Straw Man Jan 2014 #104

do you support single payer health care or not? CreekDog Jan 2014 #105

Yes. I do. Straw Man Jan 2014 #106

oh, why you do? CreekDog Jan 2014 #107

So go ahead and explain your stance ... Straw Man Jan 2014 #109

oh please. i won't play the game with X-digger, I won't play it with you. CreekDog Jan 2014 #110

So you only discuss things with people who already agree with you. Straw Man Jan 2014 #112

Woop! There it is. Eleanors38 Jan 2014 #126

This message was self-deleted by its author friendly_iconoclast Jan 2014 #133

There you go, bringing facts and reasons into this. Kurska Jan 2014 #68

I see many comments sarisataka Jan 2014 #91

it's not insulting to point out the tactics of many, not all, gungeoners here CreekDog Jan 2014 #96

Perhaps insulting is not the correct word sarisataka Jan 2014 #98

Cool meta thread pintobean Jan 2014 #51

Yep. Ranchemp. Jan 2014 #54

so you think the thread is meta? is that what got you interested enough to post? CreekDog Jan 2014 #64

No, that was just an observation. pintobean Jan 2014 #66

Courts have ruled that the Second Amendment does NOT guarantee the right to concealed carry. Nye Bevan Jan 2014 #94

An "expensive license"? Straw Man Jan 2014 #102

Much as high cigarette taxes reduce smoking, Nye Bevan Jan 2014 #114

Let's bring back poll taxes, too. Dumb people got us GWB, amirite? n/t X_Digger Jan 2014 #115

My goal is to reduce people carrying guns, not people voting (nt) Nye Bevan Jan 2014 #116

Your goal is to reduce POOR people carrying guns. Straw Man Jan 2014 #118

Do you support cigarette taxes? Nye Bevan Jan 2014 #120

Bad analogy-there's no right to smoke mentioned in the Constitution friendly_iconoclast Jan 2014 #131

The courts are generally extremely deferential to Congress's taxing power. Nye Bevan Jan 2014 #134

Deference. Straw Man Jan 2014 #136

Your user name was obviously chosen with great attention to detail. HERVEPA Jan 2014 #155

Would you care to elaborate on that? Straw Man Jan 2014 #156

You can't "...make this fee as high as possible without raising constitutional issues." friendly_iconoclast Jan 2014 #138

No. Straw Man Jan 2014 #135

That presumes a relationship between income and intelligence Prophet 451 Jan 2014 #141

Here's the trend pintobean Jan 2014 #111

Actually, you might be right. The 2nd only guarantees the Eleanors38 Jan 2014 #128

Not sure Prophet 451 Jan 2014 #140

How about we just restrict them totally, except maybe Secret Service. HERVEPA Jan 2014 #154

All power to the Praetorian Guard? Straw Man Jan 2014 #157

No. Ranchemp. Jan 2014 #158

The whole constitution was for another time. pintobean Jan 2014 #159

+1000. Ranchemp. Jan 2014 #160

Not according to Jefferson HERVEPA Jan 2014 #161

Then your task is clear- getting 38 states and 3/4 of Congress to agree with you... friendly_iconoclast Jan 2014 #162

Why should the secret service have them? Skip Intro Jan 2014 #169

Considering who the president is, I'm not surprised you ask this question CreekDog Jan 2014 #170

Huh? n/t Skip Intro Jan 2014 #171

play dumb... CreekDog Jan 2014 #172

Yeah...and...? n/t Skip Intro Jan 2014 #175

. CreekDog Jan 2014 #173

Huh? n/t Skip Intro Jan 2014 #174

Your total contribution to DU on Martin Luther King, Jr. day is "yeah" and "huh" CreekDog Jan 2014 #177

tell us more Skip Intro Jan 2014 #178

most in the thread agree that these permits should be harder to get CreekDog Jan 2014 #179

What kind of wacky idea is this? Turbineguy Jan 2014 #176