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79. So in your world, FLEOSA isn't even a tangent to the FL shooting? That explains a lot.

Reply to CreekDog (Reply #76)

Wed Jan 15, 2014, 04:39 PM

Jan 2014

It's actually a lot more on point than concealed carry licensing standards.

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For concealed carry permits, why not restrictions similar to getting a security clearance? [View all] CreekDog Jan 2014 OP

Well, for NY State ... Straw Man Jan 2014 #1

Has the TOS in GD changed? Eleanors38 Jan 2014 #2

GD does not have a "Terms of Service" (TOS) CreekDog Jan 2014 #3

Oh, sorry. Ahem. SOP. What's so curious about following the, uh, SOP? Eleanors38 Jan 2014 #4

I'm not violating any rules. I've actively followed what's allowed and disallowed and conformed CreekDog Jan 2014 #6

I think it is obvious some banners desire Guns in GD Eleanors38 Jan 2014 #7

So you're saying this thread should be locked because it's pro-gun control? CreekDog Jan 2014 #13

No. It's the SOP, Creek. Why don't you follow it? Eleanors38 Jan 2014 #16

So you're saying that I should ignore what Skinner said in ATA about the topic? CreekDog Jan 2014 #19

See #8. Eleanors38 Jan 2014 #21

what you would ban from discussion is more broad than what Skinner has suggested CreekDog Jan 2014 #25

That's the prob, Creek: You "don't listen." There was a reason Eleanors38 Jan 2014 #122

Nobody who has been posting as conservatively as you is going to accuse me... CreekDog Jan 2014 #124

Creek. What's in Your resume? Eleanors38 Jan 2014 #146

I know the answer. Ranchemp. Jan 2014 #32

Yeah, a lot of things are obvious. Kingofalldems Jan 2014 #36

HI BUDDY! Ranchemp. Jan 2014 #37

Funny how those who LOVE TO DISCUSS GUNS, want to stop Gun Discussions in GD CreekDog Jan 2014 #41

I've come to accept the discussion of guns in GD, Ranchemp. Jan 2014 #44

Exactly, the people insisting we can't handle discussion of guns in GD are usually gun advocates Bjorn Against Jan 2014 #52

you see us little people aren't really qualified to discuss guns CreekDog Jan 2014 #108

Gee if you don't like gun threads in GD maybe you should Kingofalldems Jan 2014 #45

Hey BUDDY, Ranchemp. Jan 2014 #49

You sure do post about them. Kingofalldems Jan 2014 #55

About running to Skinner? Ranchemp. Jan 2014 #58

'Insignificant things'---you wrote it. Kingofalldems Jan 2014 #59

I have no reason to contact Skinner, he has much better things to do, why don't Ranchemp. Jan 2014 #61

If you want to post about guns you can go to Kingofalldems Jan 2014 #62

Great, now all you've got to do is convince your buddies Ranchemp. Jan 2014 #119

Oh poor thing HangOnKids Jan 2014 #144

Awwww look, Ranchemp. Jan 2014 #149

Ahh how cute. The countdown begins. HangOnKids Jan 2014 #163

Yeah, the Angels sucked this last season, Ranchemp. Jan 2014 #164

The countdown continues.... HangOnKids Jan 2014 #165

And just when I thought we were having a bonding moment. Ranchemp. Jan 2014 #166

Keep Going HangOnKids Jan 2014 #167

LOL. Ranchemp. Jan 2014 #168

Ouch. Kingofalldems Jan 2014 #150

Hi BEST BUDDY. Ranchemp. Jan 2014 #152

Apparently they have decided you can't discuss Kingofalldems Jan 2014 #151

Naw, I'm not going to bother the Admins about being blocked, Ranchemp. Jan 2014 #153

it's not a violation. as for the gun control group, most in GD are in favor of gun control. CreekDog Jan 2014 #39

Agreed. Kingofalldems Jan 2014 #43

This message was self-deleted by its author Ranchemp. Jan 2014 #50

Banners? Tommy_Carcetti Jan 2014 #121

I have a question... Jenoch Jan 2014 #20

Screen names of members blocked from that group can be seen in the "About this group" and... CreekDog Jan 2014 #22

Do you check those lists daily? Jenoch Jan 2014 #28

No, I did it once, so it could be a few weeks out of date CreekDog Jan 2014 #31

I think your estimation of half is too high. Jenoch Jan 2014 #35

47% is roughly half is it not? CreekDog Jan 2014 #38

Ok...I believe you. Jenoch Jan 2014 #40

it's not an "inner working". and i don't have any list or access to one that you don't have. CreekDog Jan 2014 #42

I was actually wishing for you to tell me where to find it. Jenoch Jan 2014 #47

That is interesting etherealtruth Jan 2014 #117

... ScreamingMeemie Jan 2014 #5

This is SUCH "big news," isn't it? Standard policy/philosophy question Eleanors38 Jan 2014 #8

It is related to the big Florida shooting story, it is big news and it is national in scope CreekDog Jan 2014 #10

You didn't mention that once in your OP Kurska Jan 2014 #12

i was posting about national concealed weapons policy CreekDog Jan 2014 #15

"are there some rules and procedures... that i'm obligated to follow" Yeah the SOP for the forum Kurska Jan 2014 #29

i'm being perfectly honest. why do you think my question about concealed carry came up this morning? CreekDog Jan 2014 #46

Ha. Your argument is broken. You want to talk guns in GD? Eleanors38 Jan 2014 #123

10 hours later and the post is still here HangOnKids Jan 2014 #139

Read my posts, Hang. Eleanors38 Jan 2014 #145

I don't understand what your problem is. I'm referencing a big news event. CreekDog Jan 2014 #9

No it isn't. ScreamingMeemie Jan 2014 #11

you're saying the florida theater shooting is not national news? CreekDog Jan 2014 #17

It's not. Agschmid Jan 2014 #67

CNN isn't national? CreekDog Jan 2014 #72

Why is this death so much worse than all the others? Agschmid Jan 2014 #74

We should be outraged every day Bjorn Against Jan 2014 #77

Ah, there's the rub, Bjorn... Eleanors38 Jan 2014 #125

I have asked Skinner to drop the rule Bjorn Against Jan 2014 #127

Fine by me. Curiously, the main gun group (Gungeon) Eleanors38 Jan 2014 #129

I look forward to open discussion of guns in GD Bjorn Against Jan 2014 #130

so that's why you keep trying to lock these threads CreekDog Jan 2014 #78

The lines between which you read are incredibly wide, no? Agschmid Jan 2014 #85

no, empirical observation of statements here and elsewhere CreekDog Jan 2014 #87

I am able to back up everything I say. Agschmid Jan 2014 #89

Agschmid I will say I found you to be a very fair host even though you locked my thread Bjorn Against Jan 2014 #92

Thank you! Agschmid Jan 2014 #93

Actually I did notice that you were pro gun control CreekDog Jan 2014 #113

How come almost everybody I know have heard about it if it's such a mundane event? NealK Jan 2014 #73

Every gun death should be national news. Agschmid Jan 2014 #75

yet you don't think any of them should be discussed in GD CreekDog Jan 2014 #80

No it's not. Agschmid Jan 2014 #84

you keep posting in this thread that "every death is important" CreekDog Jan 2014 #86

The post stands 9 hours later HangOnKids Jan 2014 #143

Hosting is not "right or wrong"... Agschmid Jan 2014 #147

This latest Florida theater shooting is even International News, actually Electric Monk Jan 2014 #88

This is international news too... Agschmid Jan 2014 #90

You chose that to post because you think the Blue Helmets might be coming to take your preciouses? Electric Monk Jan 2014 #142

I don't have guns. Agschmid Jan 2014 #148

This message was self-deleted by its author CreekDog Jan 2014 #71

So it's the new normal? Nothing to see here, move along. NealK Jan 2014 #65

Rules. Straw Man Jan 2014 #99

The naval yard shooter passed a background check AND a security clearance Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2014 #14

no we don't actually have the system in place that i've described CreekDog Jan 2014 #18

I came no where near asserting we had the system you propose. Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2014 #30

It seems like the pro-gunners only care to discuss whether gollygee Jan 2014 #23

Correct! Those MOST INTERESTED IN DISCUSSING GUNS, want this thread stopped. CreekDog Jan 2014 #27

And others wish to avoid discussing the relevant law applying to the Florida incident friendly_iconoclast Jan 2014 #132

Because guns. Orrex Jan 2014 #24

In Vermont you don't need a license to cc or open carry. As long as you're over 16 cali Jan 2014 #26

As a retired cop, the shooter required no permit to carry concealed. X_Digger Jan 2014 #33

He has to have a photo ID issued by the agency he retired from... Kaleva Jan 2014 #95

True; I don't know about FL, but in Dallas.. X_Digger Jan 2014 #103

Yep libodem Jan 2014 #34

Apples and oranges... sarisataka Jan 2014 #48

I don't want to loosen controls anywhere they are tighter CreekDog Jan 2014 #53

Then you are in a corner... sarisataka Jan 2014 #56

I'm not in a corner and I'm not going to let the disingenuous "concerns" of gungeoner-type-thinking CreekDog Jan 2014 #60

Post away sarisataka Jan 2014 #63

You put yourself in one by not knowing about the relevant law in the Florida shooting... friendly_iconoclast Jan 2014 #137

Are you willing to sacrifice the nice little soundbites attached to future gun legislation.. X_Digger Jan 2014 #57

X-Digger, always chiming in to support gun control legislation CreekDog Jan 2014 #69

I'll take that as a 'no', then that you don't support repeal of FLEOSA? X_Digger Jan 2014 #70

don't play games and put words in my mouth. i've explained what i support. CreekDog Jan 2014 #76

So in your world, FLEOSA isn't even a tangent to the FL shooting? That explains a lot. X_Digger Jan 2014 #79

I'm not answering your questions, whatever fantasy you post about what I support is BS CreekDog Jan 2014 #81

For someone claiming that this thread is about the FL shooting.. X_Digger Jan 2014 #82

I am with you on this one CreekDog, that poster was being extremely intelectually dishonest Bjorn Against Jan 2014 #83

that's the classic style of their arguments. CreekDog Jan 2014 #97

Classic arguments. Straw Man Jan 2014 #100

81% of posts in Gun Control and RKBA. Next! CreekDog Jan 2014 #101

Well, there's a quandry ... Straw Man Jan 2014 #104

do you support single payer health care or not? CreekDog Jan 2014 #105

Yes. I do. Straw Man Jan 2014 #106

oh, why you do? CreekDog Jan 2014 #107

So go ahead and explain your stance ... Straw Man Jan 2014 #109

oh please. i won't play the game with X-digger, I won't play it with you. CreekDog Jan 2014 #110

So you only discuss things with people who already agree with you. Straw Man Jan 2014 #112

Woop! There it is. Eleanors38 Jan 2014 #126

This message was self-deleted by its author friendly_iconoclast Jan 2014 #133

There you go, bringing facts and reasons into this. Kurska Jan 2014 #68

I see many comments sarisataka Jan 2014 #91

it's not insulting to point out the tactics of many, not all, gungeoners here CreekDog Jan 2014 #96

Perhaps insulting is not the correct word sarisataka Jan 2014 #98

Cool meta thread pintobean Jan 2014 #51

Yep. Ranchemp. Jan 2014 #54

so you think the thread is meta? is that what got you interested enough to post? CreekDog Jan 2014 #64

No, that was just an observation. pintobean Jan 2014 #66

Courts have ruled that the Second Amendment does NOT guarantee the right to concealed carry. Nye Bevan Jan 2014 #94

An "expensive license"? Straw Man Jan 2014 #102

Much as high cigarette taxes reduce smoking, Nye Bevan Jan 2014 #114

Let's bring back poll taxes, too. Dumb people got us GWB, amirite? n/t X_Digger Jan 2014 #115

My goal is to reduce people carrying guns, not people voting (nt) Nye Bevan Jan 2014 #116

Your goal is to reduce POOR people carrying guns. Straw Man Jan 2014 #118

Do you support cigarette taxes? Nye Bevan Jan 2014 #120

Bad analogy-there's no right to smoke mentioned in the Constitution friendly_iconoclast Jan 2014 #131

The courts are generally extremely deferential to Congress's taxing power. Nye Bevan Jan 2014 #134

Deference. Straw Man Jan 2014 #136

Your user name was obviously chosen with great attention to detail. HERVEPA Jan 2014 #155

Would you care to elaborate on that? Straw Man Jan 2014 #156

You can't "...make this fee as high as possible without raising constitutional issues." friendly_iconoclast Jan 2014 #138

No. Straw Man Jan 2014 #135

That presumes a relationship between income and intelligence Prophet 451 Jan 2014 #141

Here's the trend pintobean Jan 2014 #111

Actually, you might be right. The 2nd only guarantees the Eleanors38 Jan 2014 #128

Not sure Prophet 451 Jan 2014 #140

How about we just restrict them totally, except maybe Secret Service. HERVEPA Jan 2014 #154

All power to the Praetorian Guard? Straw Man Jan 2014 #157

No. Ranchemp. Jan 2014 #158

The whole constitution was for another time. pintobean Jan 2014 #159

+1000. Ranchemp. Jan 2014 #160

Not according to Jefferson HERVEPA Jan 2014 #161

Then your task is clear- getting 38 states and 3/4 of Congress to agree with you... friendly_iconoclast Jan 2014 #162

Why should the secret service have them? Skip Intro Jan 2014 #169

Considering who the president is, I'm not surprised you ask this question CreekDog Jan 2014 #170

Huh? n/t Skip Intro Jan 2014 #171

play dumb... CreekDog Jan 2014 #172

Yeah...and...? n/t Skip Intro Jan 2014 #175

. CreekDog Jan 2014 #173

Huh? n/t Skip Intro Jan 2014 #174

Your total contribution to DU on Martin Luther King, Jr. day is "yeah" and "huh" CreekDog Jan 2014 #177

tell us more Skip Intro Jan 2014 #178

most in the thread agree that these permits should be harder to get CreekDog Jan 2014 #179

What kind of wacky idea is this? Turbineguy Jan 2014 #176