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magical thyme

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136. not according to the Zimmerman case

Wed Jan 15, 2014, 06:34 PM

Jan 2014

Martin was considered the aggressor in the second confrontation, despite the fact that Zimmerman had initiated the overall situation. They were legally considered 2 separate incidents because of the short time when Martin had disappeared.

Given that precedent, in this situation, there are 2 separate incidents separated by a brief span of time. The old man initiated the 1st confrontation and then left the scene and later returned. But the young man initiated the 2nd incident by leaving his seat and deliberately confronting the old man.

It takes two to tango, and in this instance they were *both* behaving badly. It's just that one was armed and took it to the further degree of wrong.

Nothing I have written exonerates the old man from his being guilty of murder nor have I implied that anywhere.

But just because one man's behavior was totally and completely wrong, both legally *and* socially, does not mean the other man's behavior was totally and completely right and acceptable. The young man owns his own behavior.

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Prosecutors: This wasn't the first blow-up for Florida theater shooter Curtis Reeves [View all] warrior1 Jan 2014 OP

well FatBuddy Jan 2014 #1

You realize he shot someone for texting, right? nt geek tragedy Jan 2014 #2

I generally put other people first FatBuddy Jan 2014 #5

When you started you were pretty good at this...but now you are kind of starting to fail- snooper2 Jan 2014 #17

Do you have something substantive to add? FatBuddy Jan 2014 #27

Fuck Yeah! I've got a lot to add! snooper2 Jan 2014 #42

It's interesting how many people focus on the texting and not the shooting Fumesucker Jan 2014 #7

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Way to blame the victim! Duer 157099 Jan 2014 #18

he assaulted a senior citizen before he became a victim FatBuddy Jan 2014 #21

Uh huh Duer 157099 Jan 2014 #26

i never said i agreed or that what the ex cop did is appropriate FatBuddy Jan 2014 #30

"Consequences" in a civilized society implies Duer 157099 Jan 2014 #39

Agreed. Consequences should fit the behavior. riqster Jan 2014 #64

What have we come to? If you throw a bag of pop corn upaloopa Jan 2014 #102

Skinner canned him. pintobean Jan 2014 #103

I came late to this thread upaloopa Jan 2014 #104

The dangerous popcorn assault. pintobean Jan 2014 #32

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How do you know this?? RockaFowler Jan 2014 #43

I predict another tombstone in the very near future. pintobean Jan 2014 #45

If you shoot a woman in the hand NoGOPZone Jan 2014 #59

No, not at all... riqster Jan 2014 #76

Zimmerman still has billh58 Jan 2014 #116

Wrong...your NRA talking points...oh wait, you are a previously banned troll... Rex Jan 2014 #115

It is not a bit rude, it is extremly rude! HERVEPA Jan 2014 #47

Wasn't it during the previews? Dorian Gray Jan 2014 #110

Previews, darkened theater, very rude still in my opinion HERVEPA Jan 2014 #112

no kidding arely staircase Jan 2014 #142

Text-Shaming Blue_Adept Jan 2014 #41

So the punishment is death? rickford66 Jan 2014 #3

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Of course if assholish rude behavior meant an automatic death sentence Blue_Tires Jan 2014 #16

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Yeah the shooter was a real grown-up RockaFowler Jan 2014 #36

Hopefully the 'responsible' ex-cop spend the remainder of his life in Prison... Demo_Chris Jan 2014 #58

The fact that there is a pattern and the fact that bail was denied is telling Gothmog Jan 2014 #92

K, I'll be by shortly with a gun. jeff47 Jan 2014 #65

WTF?!?! Agschmid Jan 2014 #97

Sure it's only necessary to have the gun with you at all time malaise Jan 2014 #4

I don't carry FatBuddy Jan 2014 #8

I can tell your full of that spiritual creaminess Katashi_itto Jan 2014 #14

bless your little heart! FatBuddy Jan 2014 #15

True. earthside Jan 2014 #9

There's the ideal world FatBuddy Jan 2014 #12

On Sunday mercuryblues Jan 2014 #50

Wow. Sheldon Cooper Jan 2014 #53

Grown-Ups, Fella, Mind Their Own Business The Magistrate Jan 2014 #54

FatBuddy is flagged for review pintobean Jan 2014 #68

And He Ought To Be, Sir The Magistrate Jan 2014 #69

I assume he will be. pintobean Jan 2014 #73

Make that three hidden posts... countryjake Jan 2014 #74

Draw two pintobean Jan 2014 #81

PPRed now pintobean Jan 2014 #101

And the tally keeps climbing, up to four hides... countryjake Jan 2014 #126

FatBuddy's posts were so bizarre, I expected him to say "I don't drink with you" arcane1 Jan 2014 #105

Lol. /nt pintobean Jan 2014 #106

Good n/t malaise Jan 2014 #148

The shooter seems to be the one with problems judging from his history Gothmog Jan 2014 #93

'Grown ups put other first and think of other people's comfort before their own.' Rex Jan 2014 #118

Yeah its terrible isnt it. Some bastard texting away has zero class, so shoot them. Katashi_itto Jan 2014 #11

Looks like i poked a little nest here! FatBuddy Jan 2014 #13

Is that what you're here for? pintobean Jan 2014 #23

You sure make a good argument countingbluecars Jan 2014 #28

The planet PasadenaTrudy Jan 2014 #24

The same planet as your parents FatBuddy Jan 2014 #35

How about PasadenaTrudy Jan 2014 #20

I take other people and their comfort into consideration in public gatherings FatBuddy Jan 2014 #25

Yep sure can tell Katashi_itto Jan 2014 #33

My thanks to the administrators for removing an irritant from this thread. (nt) Paladin Jan 2014 #107

It's not necessary TO SHOOT PEOPLE Lex Jan 2014 #37

Post fail. Agschmid Jan 2014 #85

And finally someone has done something about that Shampoobra Jan 2014 #122

I don't like crying babies in restaurants either jollyreaper2112 Jan 2014 #127

As I suspected before Blue_Tires Jan 2014 #22

While death seems like overkill for texting during a movie.. magical thyme Jan 2014 #29

you said it better than me FatBuddy Jan 2014 #34

You go out in public, you risk being offended by others' behavior. Lex Jan 2014 #44

I've been around for 60 years now. magical thyme Jan 2014 #62

So you shot the kids, right? jeff47 Jan 2014 #75

the man who was shot was not a "kid today" magical thyme Jan 2014 #82

Your example of rude kids in the theater were. jeff47 Jan 2014 #91

my example of the kids was a degree of rudeness I've never experienced magical thyme Jan 2014 #95

And one day you might stop blaming the victim. (nt) jeff47 Jan 2014 #99

and one day you might realize that the victim in this case magical thyme Jan 2014 #124

Who started to confrontation here? Lex Jan 2014 #145

Two points: riqster Jan 2014 #83

obviously, the shooter is the bigger bully because he created the bigger disturbance. but both are magical thyme Jan 2014 #90

And With That Admission, Sir, Your Entire Position Collapses The Magistrate Jan 2014 #98

texting was not bullying. refusing to stop when asked to, not once but multiple times magical thyme Jan 2014 #119

Again, Ma'am, You Are Assuming The Man Who Killed Behaved Properly From The Start The Magistrate Jan 2014 #121

no, I am not. I am assuming nothing beyond what I have read. magical thyme Jan 2014 #131

The Man With The Gun, Ma'am, Began the Confrontation, And Pressed It The Magistrate Jan 2014 #134

not according to the Zimmerman case magical thyme Jan 2014 #136

If You Consider Zimmerman Correctly Decided, Ma'am, I Suppose That Says All That Needs Saying The Magistrate Jan 2014 #137

I don't consider Zimmerman correctly decided, but that is Florida law not mine magical thyme Jan 2014 #139

You Are Tying Yourself In Knots, Ma'am, Which Often Happens When Defending the Indefensible The Magistrate Jan 2014 #141

we are talking about 2 different things. magical thyme Jan 2014 #143

No, Ma'am, we Are Talking About One Thing The Magistrate Jan 2014 #147

I would have to say, that I agree with The Magistrate notadmblnd Jan 2014 #135

I don't care whether it's the 70 year old man who sets the example or the 40 year old man who does magical thyme Jan 2014 #138

The flaw in your logic rests in your premise riqster Jan 2014 #100

Actually, the advertisement to turn off the phones comes on before the previews BuelahWitch Jan 2014 #114

Every Theatre I have been in says "during the movie". riqster Jan 2014 #132

The guy Dorian Gray Jan 2014 #117

I didn't say he was talking. Texting can be quite disturbing, since it sets of a bright light. magical thyme Jan 2014 #120

Blaming the victim in this situation is really poor form on your part. (nt) Paladin Jan 2014 #125

Never forget... Blue_Tires Jan 2014 #79

Can they still text during the previews? without being shot? please? Shampoobra Jan 2014 #123

Ya know? Are_grits_groceries Jan 2014 #130

He was texting during the previews. The lights were still up. truebluegreen Jan 2014 #140

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Texting isn't the isssue. The shooting is the issue. Lex Jan 2014 #40

+1 Blue_Tires Jan 2014 #48

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Yeah, and I wonder if you think that a wife being beaten by her husband Lex Jan 2014 #52

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It was the victim's wife exboyfil Jan 2014 #70

Pop-Corn, Sir, Was Supposedly Tossed.... The Magistrate Jan 2014 #72

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You Present, Sir, a Repellent And Disgusting Spectacle By Your Comments The Magistrate Jan 2014 #80

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bye. hrmjustin Jan 2014 #87

Waste Your Day As You Please, Sir: This Will Be Shut Down As Quickly As The Other Was The Magistrate Jan 2014 #88

High-Test Barn-Yard Product, Sir The Magistrate Jan 2014 #67

"High-test Barnyard Product". Excellent. riqster Jan 2014 #84

This is very troubling for our society Ahpook Jan 2014 #144

Texting is not the issue. hrmjustin Jan 2014 #49

Which is the worse offense? countryjake Jan 2014 #57

A stalker... polichick Jan 2014 #46

with an itchy trigger finger lunasun Jan 2014 #56

And a seething anger that's boiling over. polichick Jan 2014 #61

Does texting even make any noise? I suppose the little light in the phone glows a bit... Tikki Jan 2014 #55

And it was during the previews anyway when people are often Lex Jan 2014 #60

Sounds like he went beyond standing his ground with Jamira Dixon. Baitball Blogger Jan 2014 #63

+1 & - I agree with you. We seen it lunasun Jan 2014 #128

Why did he follow the texting woman to the Ladies Room? HockeyMom Jan 2014 #71

The judge had some good grounds to deny bail to the shooter Gothmog Jan 2014 #94

This was just an old man with an anger issue. Ganja Ninja Jan 2014 #77

"Looking for trouble". That is so true. riqster Jan 2014 #89

Retired cop who was used to telling 'civilians' what to do, and having them comply. Ikonoklast Jan 2014 #108

Yup thought he was Judge Dredd. n/t Ganja Ninja Jan 2014 #111

We have a winner! atreides1 Jan 2014 #133

There are so many now that are angry lunasun Jan 2014 #129

I wonder how many people he shot when he was an active cop malaise Jan 2014 #96

Exactly! How dare the other theater goers not follow his orders. Ganja Ninja Jan 2014 #109

+1,000 malaise Jan 2014 #113

Is anyone else wondering if he might have been using testosterone supplements? redqueen Jan 2014 #146