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madfloridian

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40. Never will I agree that "many" teachers come from "the bottom of the barrel."

Thu Jan 16, 2014, 03:12 AM

Jan 2014

Some are not as capable as others, but that is an all-encompassing statement that is simply not true.

It is an attack on the teaching profession, on the career teachers who are experienced and caring.

If parents can afford private schools without having taxpayer money, that is great. However in Florida there is a serious lack of regulation. Many private school teachers are not certified or qualified as there is no requirement for that.

The exodus of students to charter schools using taxpayer money, the use of vouchers given to private religious schools.....these are destroying the public school system.

Once you discredit public school teachers, the rest is easy. The corporate takeover then begins.

When George Bush made any moves against public education, this forum fought back. Now there is no fighting back, just acceptance of it as a party policy.

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Arne Duncan "teachers in America often come from the bottom of the academic barrel" [View all] madfloridian Jan 2014 OP

Says Duncan, who got all his jobs through connections. What a putz. El_Johns Jan 2014 #1

Oddly enough he'd rather have TFA teachers with 5 weeks training. madfloridian Jan 2014 #2

TFA .. they are the ones who won't commit to a career of teaching .. you betcha. YOHABLO Jan 2014 #47

I have been asked to write tomg Jan 2014 #128

Good for you. madfloridian Jan 2014 #140

Right move Chiquitita Jan 2014 #155

Including his current job... awoke_in_2003 Jan 2014 #12

Connections made him float to the top. jsr Jan 2014 #27

I considered teaching nadinbrzezinski Jan 2014 #3

You definitely dodged a bullet. nt narnian60 Jan 2014 #141

That's bullshit. Turbineguy Jan 2014 #4

He even spiced it up with some racism. roody Jan 2014 #5

Disgusting. Arrogant Bastard. TheMastersNemesis Jan 2014 #6

x1000 ailsagirl Jan 2014 #145

Then wouldn't it follow that requiring states to... say... *double* existing teacher salaries, Smarmie Doofus Jan 2014 #7

Good point. AllyCat Jan 2014 #160

What an ass. davidthegnome Jan 2014 #8

He's a Christie Democrat Starry Messenger Jan 2014 #9

Who nominated him... awoke_in_2003 Jan 2014 #13

Linda Darling-Hammond was thought to be a front-runner. Starry Messenger Jan 2014 #14

At this point it doesn't matter. School "reform" is a 500 BILLION $ gold mine. Smarmie Doofus Jan 2014 #19

THIS ^^^^^ Trailrider1951 Jan 2014 #74

Truth. CrispyQ Jan 2014 #125

Right. School reform... freebrew Jan 2014 #138

I have all the respect for teachers don't get me wrong Cane4Dems Jan 2014 #10

Why is it happening? Anyone who enters the education field right now is crazy. madfloridian Jan 2014 #16

im from class of 2010 (high school) Cane4Dems Jan 2014 #82

Does anyone want to rack up tens of thousands of dollars in student loans for a job hughee99 Jan 2014 #97

Exactly Cane4Dems Jan 2014 #101

My daughter is a teacher at a charter school in Miami. RebelOne Jan 2014 #154

I don't think there is anyone in this country who cares enough to stand up for teachers. Chiquitita Jan 2014 #156

Yet more and more districts seek not to reward with $$ teachers with higher degrees. WinkyDink Jan 2014 #77

Fuck you, Duncan... awoke_in_2003 Jan 2014 #11

I despise this man. Come on, Obama, ditch this jerk. mountain grammy Jan 2014 #15

So do I. His very presence as education leader is insulting to teachers. madfloridian Jan 2014 #17

Let's think this through a bit. Is Obama oblivious? No. What then might we conclude, class? WinkyDink Jan 2014 #78

You got me thinking... Chiquitita Jan 2014 #183

Duncan sounds like Larry Summers -- a real elitist jerk, although, frankly, whathehell Jan 2014 #18

But but don't you have to go to Harvard to be president? jsr Jan 2014 #23

If you doubled the salaries you'd more than double the number of highly qualified pnwmom Jan 2014 #20

Not unless they were treated with more respect from our leaders. madfloridian Jan 2014 #22

In this economy? A secure job with that kind of pay would attract MANY. But actually pnwmom Jan 2014 #26

The money isn't the problem, it's the children and their parents who make the prospect unattractive. JVS Jan 2014 #28

From my perspective as a parent, it was the administrators who put the teachers pnwmom Jan 2014 #51

My Wife Was A Teacher ProfessorGAC Jan 2014 #58

Good god is THIS true: ^ Smarmie Doofus Jan 2014 #61

PREACH! WinkyDink Jan 2014 #79

I have 3 young adults who went through Special Ed... Blanks Jan 2014 #158

As an administrator, I take umbrage at this Lifelong Protester Jan 2014 #83

Not just teachers protesting policies now...principals fighting back as well. madfloridian Jan 2014 #87

Yes, we have had enough. Lifelong Protester Jan 2014 #174

I was only speaking about my experience, not making any broad brush statement. pnwmom Jan 2014 #104

Thanks for posting back. We administrators Lifelong Protester Jan 2014 #175

We left the public schools when we'd had enough with the superintendent. pnwmom Jan 2014 #178

Wow, that is quite an experience Lifelong Protester Jan 2014 #179

The Newsweek ranking was the primary offender. pnwmom Jan 2014 #180

Yes, we are among the schools ranked in Newsweek Lifelong Protester Jan 2014 #181

I, too, don't like the........... MyOwnPeace Jan 2014 #132

Good post. Students are not products. madfloridian Jan 2014 #142

+ a zillion! narnian60 Jan 2014 #144

I think with the salary increase the respect would follow. DevonRex Jan 2014 #157

There are thousands of people wanting teaching jobs .. but where they are needed > YOHABLO Jan 2014 #49

I saw this happening as a parent. pnwmom Jan 2014 #50

Then why are rates of teachers losing their jobs due to poor performance so much lower than... joeglow3 Jan 2014 #85

Do you have a source for that? madfloridian Jan 2014 #89

But we already have kick ass teachers who do a great job joeglow3 Jan 2014 #84

Back in my high school days ('69 - ''73) I had a few outstanding teachers, brilliant people Flatulo Jan 2014 #21

You say 10 of 11 teachers were "drones"? I so disagree. madfloridian Jan 2014 #24

I attended the shittiest high school in a rather shitty city. It was run-down and had fewer Flatulo Jan 2014 #36

I had a couple of bad teachers, but I noticed many more bad students in the classes I took. JVS Jan 2014 #33

Sure, the teachers can't do anything with unmotivated students and parents that aren't engaged. Flatulo Jan 2014 #41

Maybe at your school 4 decades ago Karia Jan 2014 #48

The dunces have an easier time finding places in politics and administration. JVS Jan 2014 #25

So who appointed Arne Duncan? delrem Jan 2014 #29

Obama did. And Obama's appointments frequently reflect poorly on him. JVS Jan 2014 #30

They are arrogant elitist shitheads jsr Jan 2014 #32

we are supposed to champion his "Team of rivals" bobduca Jan 2014 #35

Bennett, being a VP of Third Way has every incentive to merrily Jan 2014 #45

Obama's "Team of Rivals": bvar22 Jan 2014 #111

Obama did some "bottom-of-the-barrel" scrounging himself when he picked his cabinet. Buns_of_Fire Jan 2014 #90

All true JVS Jan 2014 #94

Amen! QC Jan 2014 #134

"Cavalcade of shitheads" � filing that one away SomeGuyInEagan Jan 2014 #153

Like I give a shit what that failure thinks, he is trash. Rex Jan 2014 #31

Unfortunately, that's true. Which is not an excuse to trash teachers, SheilaT Jan 2014 #34

Never will I agree that "many" teachers come from "the bottom of the barrel." madfloridian Jan 2014 #40

The poster was talking about long timers, imo. joshcryer Jan 2014 #46

Actually in most fields experience is considered a good thing. madfloridian Jan 2014 #55

Some of the most afluent people I know are public school teachers. Rex Jan 2014 #65

"Now there is no fighting back, just acceptance of it as a party policy." liberal_at_heart Jan 2014 #67

Bullshit, that is not true at all. Rex Jan 2014 #66

Wow, Arne. progressoid Jan 2014 #37

Arne Duncan sounds like a cynical ass with a cynical attitude. My Aunt was a teacher of the first Lint Head Jan 2014 #38

K&R DeSwiss Jan 2014 #39

Arne Duncan IS the bottom of the educational barrel. merrily Jan 2014 #42

he and the dem party are once again, sabotaging the ideals of democracy. k and r bbgrunt Jan 2014 #43

what a despicable thing to say! G_j Jan 2014 #44

Recommended X 1000! Enthusiast Jan 2014 #52

It's about the pay...and now about the pensions SoCalDem Jan 2014 #53

Arne Duncan LOL n/t KG Jan 2014 #54

Duncan is not and never was a teacher. hobbit709 Jan 2014 #56

Duncan was/is a political hack...Was head Of Chicago Public Schools?...now how did that happen?? Stuart G Jan 2014 #57

This asshole should have been marginalized a long, long time ago. (nt) Paladin Jan 2014 #59

so that`s why his kids went to a 25,000 per student a year private school? madrchsod Jan 2014 #60

Tea bag much ... GeorgeGist Jan 2014 #62

With the "bottom of the barrel" argument, is he saying teachers aren't paid enough? Renew Deal Jan 2014 #63

I think what he's saying is that we have low expectations for teacher qualifications. msanthrope Jan 2014 #68

He is saying there is a cultural difference in how the profession is treated Godhumor Jan 2014 #69

"the bottom of the academic barrel".. madfloridian Jan 2014 #70

I think he's just pushing the old academic saw... HereSince1628 Jan 2014 #73

Sounds like he's "reaching out for bipartisan consensus", doesn't it? hatrack Jan 2014 #64

The 1% is auctioning off the public education system. DemocraticWing Jan 2014 #71

...... madfloridian Jan 2014 #72

Holy Shit!! nt Liberal_Dog Jan 2014 #75

"So supremely confident" = psychological self-revelation. WinkyDink Jan 2014 #76

Wonder what kind of container he comes from. grahamhgreen Jan 2014 #80

Democrats may want to ask Roy Barnes how productive this is Glitterati Jan 2014 #81

This guy is Obama's choice? WHY????? polichick Jan 2014 #86

Because Obama is a far right corporatist Republican Doctor_J Jan 2014 #124

go ahead make a joke while some of us are actually suffering under these Race to the Top and liberal_at_heart Jan 2014 #151

What a fuckwit. geardaddy Jan 2014 #88

If he would have said this 10 years ago..... NCTraveler Jan 2014 #91

More hate from the "education Czar" n2doc Jan 2014 #92

Arne, you ignorant slut, you are not even in the barrel - TBF Jan 2014 #93

Duncan is a trainwreck Harmony Blue Jan 2014 #95

Another Third Way "DEM" hack. blkmusclmachine Jan 2014 #96

Maybe cvoogt Jan 2014 #98

Whenever the discussion of teachers salaries comes up, I always ask hughee99 Jan 2014 #99

Well, it attracts better talent Bradical79 Jan 2014 #105

Attracts better talent? hughee99 Jan 2014 #110

I can unequivocably say theaocp Jan 2014 #159

How low is low enough for you? Haven't we learned that the human variable is the only thing Egalitarian Thug Jan 2014 #135

Did you read ANY of my post? hughee99 Jan 2014 #148

You went out of your way to weasel a morally and factually bankrupt idea Egalitarian Thug Jan 2014 #162

Do you believe that paying teachers more will improve their performance? hughee99 Jan 2014 #177

And at this point, is there anyone, other than the Corporations he represents, who listen to this sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #100

"[fill in the blank]" in America often come from the bottom of the academic barrel". ladjf Jan 2014 #102

The "problem" he mentions Bradical79 Jan 2014 #103

Amen to that. madfloridian Jan 2014 #120

He's an arrogant, rude idiot. nt City Lights Jan 2014 #106

Kick & Rec FloriTexan Jan 2014 #107

Duncan wouldn't know this d_r Jan 2014 #108

Arne spouts the class war rhetoric he was taught by1%-ers at Harvard. He's their puppet privatizer. ancianita Jan 2014 #109

Yes, he is looking bad. He is on the defensive now and flailing out at those who cross him. madfloridian Jan 2014 #170

so i have questions questionseverything Jan 2014 #112

That testing of K and Pre-K is shameful. madfloridian Jan 2014 #116

it sets them up to fail questionseverything Jan 2014 #118

Arne has bribed districts to get his policies enacted. madfloridian Jan 2014 #168

MOREOVER, teachers come from the 30% committed enough to obtain a four-year college degree. ancianita Jan 2014 #113

Give Arne some credit here Plucketeer Jan 2014 #114

My dad had two masters degrees and graduated summa cum laude. Javaman Jan 2014 #115

I and many of my fellow teachers were magna cum laude. madfloridian Jan 2014 #117

Democrats in Congress are following DLC playbook: "fuck teachers, they have no where else to go" yurbud Jan 2014 #119

Same old, same old... Wounded Bear Jan 2014 #121

If the president doesn't demand his resignation this week, Doctor_J Jan 2014 #122

What's going on that he is so defensive he feels he needs to attack? Ravitch Jefferson23 Jan 2014 #123

The man who fights to deprofessionalize teaching doesn't get to criticize. Orsino Jan 2014 #126

I have observed that Education Secretaries in both Britain and America often seem to come from the LeftishBrit Jan 2014 #127

lol I have observed that also. madfloridian Jan 2014 #129

Clearly, Mr Dunce-err Duncan fredamae Jan 2014 #130

BS! merrifield Jan 2014 #131

Totally agree. madfloridian Jan 2014 #146

How is this man still part of the administration? Atman Jan 2014 #133

what an ass. liberal_at_heart Jan 2014 #136

What an asshole! He's the kind that comes from the bottom of the barrel! Initech Jan 2014 #137

So I take it secretaries of education come from the sludge at the very bottom? KamaAina Jan 2014 #139

Hey Mad Floridian . . FairWinds Jan 2014 #143

Damn him, he is such a bastard............ mrmpa Jan 2014 #147

The day we start paying teachers the way we pay CEOs, and when we start paying CEOS the Baitball Blogger Jan 2014 #149

His statements are not only false, but deliberately inflammatory. reformist2 Jan 2014 #150

Yes, they are meant to anger us. madfloridian Jan 2014 #163

Actually, Arne sulphurdunn Jan 2014 #152

A good day for Arne Duncan is one where he's merely worthless... Ka hrnt Jan 2014 #161

Surely Arne Duncan will receive innumerable messages as to where in the barrel indepat Jan 2014 #164

I came late to the teaching profession... icarusxat Jan 2014 #165

Again...PBO should be ashamed to have someone like Duncan speak for him! KoKo Jan 2014 #166

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K&R ReRe Jan 2014 #169

This is what we are doing with our turn at the bat. Fucking Arne Duncan. TheKentuckian Jan 2014 #171

my thoughts exactly.... mike_c Jan 2014 #176

Let's see. I was a teacher in the US before leaving for Korea and China. Nanjing to Seoul Jan 2014 #172

..... madfloridian Jan 2014 #173

Teachers to Arne Duncan: blackspade Jan 2014 #182