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joshcryer

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46. The poster was talking about long timers, imo.

Thu Jan 16, 2014, 03:57 AM

Jan 2014

They were not bashing all teachers.

Here's why:

Source: http://www.ncei.com/Profile_Teachers_US_2011.pdf

I don't know how 'many' long timer 25+ year teachers are out there so I can't say if it qualifies for 'many.' (I'd say under 15% would not constitute 'many.')

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Says Duncan, who got all his jobs through connections. What a putz. El_Johns Jan 2014 #1

Oddly enough he'd rather have TFA teachers with 5 weeks training. madfloridian Jan 2014 #2

TFA .. they are the ones who won't commit to a career of teaching .. you betcha. YOHABLO Jan 2014 #47

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Right move Chiquitita Jan 2014 #155

Including his current job... awoke_in_2003 Jan 2014 #12

Connections made him float to the top. jsr Jan 2014 #27

I considered teaching nadinbrzezinski Jan 2014 #3

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That's bullshit. Turbineguy Jan 2014 #4

He even spiced it up with some racism. roody Jan 2014 #5

Disgusting. Arrogant Bastard. TheMastersNemesis Jan 2014 #6

x1000 ailsagirl Jan 2014 #145

Then wouldn't it follow that requiring states to... say... *double* existing teacher salaries, Smarmie Doofus Jan 2014 #7

Good point. AllyCat Jan 2014 #160

What an ass. davidthegnome Jan 2014 #8

He's a Christie Democrat Starry Messenger Jan 2014 #9

Who nominated him... awoke_in_2003 Jan 2014 #13

Linda Darling-Hammond was thought to be a front-runner. Starry Messenger Jan 2014 #14

At this point it doesn't matter. School "reform" is a 500 BILLION $ gold mine. Smarmie Doofus Jan 2014 #19

THIS ^^^^^ Trailrider1951 Jan 2014 #74

Truth. CrispyQ Jan 2014 #125

Right. School reform... freebrew Jan 2014 #138

I have all the respect for teachers don't get me wrong Cane4Dems Jan 2014 #10

Why is it happening? Anyone who enters the education field right now is crazy. madfloridian Jan 2014 #16

im from class of 2010 (high school) Cane4Dems Jan 2014 #82

Does anyone want to rack up tens of thousands of dollars in student loans for a job hughee99 Jan 2014 #97

Exactly Cane4Dems Jan 2014 #101

My daughter is a teacher at a charter school in Miami. RebelOne Jan 2014 #154

I don't think there is anyone in this country who cares enough to stand up for teachers. Chiquitita Jan 2014 #156

Yet more and more districts seek not to reward with $$ teachers with higher degrees. WinkyDink Jan 2014 #77

Fuck you, Duncan... awoke_in_2003 Jan 2014 #11

I despise this man. Come on, Obama, ditch this jerk. mountain grammy Jan 2014 #15

So do I. His very presence as education leader is insulting to teachers. madfloridian Jan 2014 #17

Let's think this through a bit. Is Obama oblivious? No. What then might we conclude, class? WinkyDink Jan 2014 #78

You got me thinking... Chiquitita Jan 2014 #183

Duncan sounds like Larry Summers -- a real elitist jerk, although, frankly, whathehell Jan 2014 #18

But but don't you have to go to Harvard to be president? jsr Jan 2014 #23

If you doubled the salaries you'd more than double the number of highly qualified pnwmom Jan 2014 #20

Not unless they were treated with more respect from our leaders. madfloridian Jan 2014 #22

In this economy? A secure job with that kind of pay would attract MANY. But actually pnwmom Jan 2014 #26

The money isn't the problem, it's the children and their parents who make the prospect unattractive. JVS Jan 2014 #28

From my perspective as a parent, it was the administrators who put the teachers pnwmom Jan 2014 #51

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Good god is THIS true: ^ Smarmie Doofus Jan 2014 #61

PREACH! WinkyDink Jan 2014 #79

I have 3 young adults who went through Special Ed... Blanks Jan 2014 #158

As an administrator, I take umbrage at this Lifelong Protester Jan 2014 #83

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Yes, we have had enough. Lifelong Protester Jan 2014 #174

I was only speaking about my experience, not making any broad brush statement. pnwmom Jan 2014 #104

Thanks for posting back. We administrators Lifelong Protester Jan 2014 #175

We left the public schools when we'd had enough with the superintendent. pnwmom Jan 2014 #178

Wow, that is quite an experience Lifelong Protester Jan 2014 #179

The Newsweek ranking was the primary offender. pnwmom Jan 2014 #180

Yes, we are among the schools ranked in Newsweek Lifelong Protester Jan 2014 #181

I, too, don't like the........... MyOwnPeace Jan 2014 #132

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+ a zillion! narnian60 Jan 2014 #144

I think with the salary increase the respect would follow. DevonRex Jan 2014 #157

There are thousands of people wanting teaching jobs .. but where they are needed > YOHABLO Jan 2014 #49

I saw this happening as a parent. pnwmom Jan 2014 #50

Then why are rates of teachers losing their jobs due to poor performance so much lower than... joeglow3 Jan 2014 #85

Do you have a source for that? madfloridian Jan 2014 #89

But we already have kick ass teachers who do a great job joeglow3 Jan 2014 #84

Back in my high school days ('69 - ''73) I had a few outstanding teachers, brilliant people Flatulo Jan 2014 #21

You say 10 of 11 teachers were "drones"? I so disagree. madfloridian Jan 2014 #24

I attended the shittiest high school in a rather shitty city. It was run-down and had fewer Flatulo Jan 2014 #36

I had a couple of bad teachers, but I noticed many more bad students in the classes I took. JVS Jan 2014 #33

Sure, the teachers can't do anything with unmotivated students and parents that aren't engaged. Flatulo Jan 2014 #41

Maybe at your school 4 decades ago Karia Jan 2014 #48

The dunces have an easier time finding places in politics and administration. JVS Jan 2014 #25

So who appointed Arne Duncan? delrem Jan 2014 #29

Obama did. And Obama's appointments frequently reflect poorly on him. JVS Jan 2014 #30

They are arrogant elitist shitheads jsr Jan 2014 #32

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Bennett, being a VP of Third Way has every incentive to merrily Jan 2014 #45

Obama's "Team of Rivals": bvar22 Jan 2014 #111

Obama did some "bottom-of-the-barrel" scrounging himself when he picked his cabinet. Buns_of_Fire Jan 2014 #90

All true JVS Jan 2014 #94

Amen! QC Jan 2014 #134

"Cavalcade of shitheads" � filing that one away SomeGuyInEagan Jan 2014 #153

Like I give a shit what that failure thinks, he is trash. Rex Jan 2014 #31

Unfortunately, that's true. Which is not an excuse to trash teachers, SheilaT Jan 2014 #34

Never will I agree that "many" teachers come from "the bottom of the barrel." madfloridian Jan 2014 #40

The poster was talking about long timers, imo. joshcryer Jan 2014 #46

Actually in most fields experience is considered a good thing. madfloridian Jan 2014 #55

Some of the most afluent people I know are public school teachers. Rex Jan 2014 #65

"Now there is no fighting back, just acceptance of it as a party policy." liberal_at_heart Jan 2014 #67

Bullshit, that is not true at all. Rex Jan 2014 #66

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K&R DeSwiss Jan 2014 #39

Arne Duncan IS the bottom of the educational barrel. merrily Jan 2014 #42

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what a despicable thing to say! G_j Jan 2014 #44

Recommended X 1000! Enthusiast Jan 2014 #52

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Arne Duncan LOL n/t KG Jan 2014 #54

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Tea bag much ... GeorgeGist Jan 2014 #62

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...... madfloridian Jan 2014 #72

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Arne, you ignorant slut, you are not even in the barrel - TBF Jan 2014 #93

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it sets them up to fail questionseverything Jan 2014 #118

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Clearly, Mr Dunce-err Duncan fredamae Jan 2014 #130

BS! merrifield Jan 2014 #131

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What an asshole! He's the kind that comes from the bottom of the barrel! Initech Jan 2014 #137

So I take it secretaries of education come from the sludge at the very bottom? KamaAina Jan 2014 #139

Hey Mad Floridian . . FairWinds Jan 2014 #143

Damn him, he is such a bastard............ mrmpa Jan 2014 #147

The day we start paying teachers the way we pay CEOs, and when we start paying CEOS the Baitball Blogger Jan 2014 #149

His statements are not only false, but deliberately inflammatory. reformist2 Jan 2014 #150

Yes, they are meant to anger us. madfloridian Jan 2014 #163

Actually, Arne sulphurdunn Jan 2014 #152

A good day for Arne Duncan is one where he's merely worthless... Ka hrnt Jan 2014 #161

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I came late to the teaching profession... icarusxat Jan 2014 #165

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Post removed Post removed Jan 2014 #167

K&R ReRe Jan 2014 #169

This is what we are doing with our turn at the bat. Fucking Arne Duncan. TheKentuckian Jan 2014 #171

my thoughts exactly.... mike_c Jan 2014 #176

Let's see. I was a teacher in the US before leaving for Korea and China. Nanjing to Seoul Jan 2014 #172

..... madfloridian Jan 2014 #173

Teachers to Arne Duncan: blackspade Jan 2014 #182