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In reply to the discussion: Arne Duncan "teachers in America often come from the bottom of the academic barrel" [View all]madfloridian
(88,117 posts)55. Actually in most fields experience is considered a good thing.
The chart shows the impact that programs like TNTP and TFA are having on education just in the last few years.
The alternative routes to certification are more attractive now due to the fact that Arne and Obama have criticized traditional degrees in teaching. They have done much to contribute the idea that older teachers are not good teachers. That is shameful.
Here is a little about what Teach Now is about.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/tara-sophia-mohr/teach-now-jennifer-louden_b_837352.html
One of the ways she's working on this mission of supporting others in service is through Teach Now, an online course she co-created with Michelle Lisenbury Christensen. Teach Now is about teaching -- but not just for professional educators. It's about how all of us can claim our role as teachers more fully and more confidently, and share our knowledge with those who need it.
I recently interviewed Jen, and we discussed why we need teachers now more than ever, how we can overcome self-doubt in our teaching, what qualifies us as "ready to teach," and much more.
When we hear the word "teacher," many of us think of professional, full-time educators -- like kindergarten teachers or the high school math teachers. You embrace a much more expansive definition. Who do you include in the tribe of teachers?
JL: My friend and co-creator of Teach Now Michele Lisenbury Christensen came up with this great definition: 'A teacher is anybody who shares ideas, energy, information with others for the sake of serving.' I love love love this.
Sounds good, sounds great. Makes it sound like enthusiasm is better than the experience of being in a classroom with children and knowing how to inspire them. Love love loving it only takes one so far.
The chart makes a point I have been making for a long time. Look at the huge spurt of growth of alternative certification. When that is only 5 weeks training under contrived conditions, it is not enough.
Most teachers are not from the bottom of the academic barrel.
There is no defending that statement.
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Arne Duncan "teachers in America often come from the bottom of the academic barrel" [View all]
madfloridian
Jan 2014
OP
TFA .. they are the ones who won't commit to a career of teaching .. you betcha.
YOHABLO
Jan 2014
#47
Then wouldn't it follow that requiring states to... say... *double* existing teacher salaries,
Smarmie Doofus
Jan 2014
#7
At this point it doesn't matter. School "reform" is a 500 BILLION $ gold mine.
Smarmie Doofus
Jan 2014
#19
Why is it happening? Anyone who enters the education field right now is crazy.
madfloridian
Jan 2014
#16
Does anyone want to rack up tens of thousands of dollars in student loans for a job
hughee99
Jan 2014
#97
I don't think there is anyone in this country who cares enough to stand up for teachers.
Chiquitita
Jan 2014
#156
Yet more and more districts seek not to reward with $$ teachers with higher degrees.
WinkyDink
Jan 2014
#77
Let's think this through a bit. Is Obama oblivious? No. What then might we conclude, class?
WinkyDink
Jan 2014
#78
If you doubled the salaries you'd more than double the number of highly qualified
pnwmom
Jan 2014
#20
In this economy? A secure job with that kind of pay would attract MANY. But actually
pnwmom
Jan 2014
#26
The money isn't the problem, it's the children and their parents who make the prospect unattractive.
JVS
Jan 2014
#28
Not just teachers protesting policies now...principals fighting back as well.
madfloridian
Jan 2014
#87
There are thousands of people wanting teaching jobs .. but where they are needed >
YOHABLO
Jan 2014
#49
Then why are rates of teachers losing their jobs due to poor performance so much lower than...
joeglow3
Jan 2014
#85
Back in my high school days ('69 - ''73) I had a few outstanding teachers, brilliant people
Flatulo
Jan 2014
#21
I attended the shittiest high school in a rather shitty city. It was run-down and had fewer
Flatulo
Jan 2014
#36
I had a couple of bad teachers, but I noticed many more bad students in the classes I took.
JVS
Jan 2014
#33
Sure, the teachers can't do anything with unmotivated students and parents that aren't engaged.
Flatulo
Jan 2014
#41
Obama did some "bottom-of-the-barrel" scrounging himself when he picked his cabinet.
Buns_of_Fire
Jan 2014
#90
Never will I agree that "many" teachers come from "the bottom of the barrel."
madfloridian
Jan 2014
#40
"Now there is no fighting back, just acceptance of it as a party policy."
liberal_at_heart
Jan 2014
#67
Arne Duncan sounds like a cynical ass with a cynical attitude. My Aunt was a teacher of the first
Lint Head
Jan 2014
#38
he and the dem party are once again, sabotaging the ideals of democracy. k and r
bbgrunt
Jan 2014
#43
Duncan was/is a political hack...Was head Of Chicago Public Schools?...now how did that happen??
Stuart G
Jan 2014
#57
With the "bottom of the barrel" argument, is he saying teachers aren't paid enough?
Renew Deal
Jan 2014
#63
I think what he's saying is that we have low expectations for teacher qualifications.
msanthrope
Jan 2014
#68
go ahead make a joke while some of us are actually suffering under these Race to the Top and
liberal_at_heart
Jan 2014
#151
How low is low enough for you? Haven't we learned that the human variable is the only thing
Egalitarian Thug
Jan 2014
#135
You went out of your way to weasel a morally and factually bankrupt idea
Egalitarian Thug
Jan 2014
#162
And at this point, is there anyone, other than the Corporations he represents, who listen to this
sabrina 1
Jan 2014
#100
"[fill in the blank]" in America often come from the bottom of the academic barrel".
ladjf
Jan 2014
#102
Arne spouts the class war rhetoric he was taught by1%-ers at Harvard. He's their puppet privatizer.
ancianita
Jan 2014
#109
Yes, he is looking bad. He is on the defensive now and flailing out at those who cross him.
madfloridian
Jan 2014
#170
MOREOVER, teachers come from the 30% committed enough to obtain a four-year college degree.
ancianita
Jan 2014
#113
Democrats in Congress are following DLC playbook: "fuck teachers, they have no where else to go"
yurbud
Jan 2014
#119
What's going on that he is so defensive he feels he needs to attack? Ravitch
Jefferson23
Jan 2014
#123
I have observed that Education Secretaries in both Britain and America often seem to come from the
LeftishBrit
Jan 2014
#127
So I take it secretaries of education come from the sludge at the very bottom?
KamaAina
Jan 2014
#139
The day we start paying teachers the way we pay CEOs, and when we start paying CEOS the
Baitball Blogger
Jan 2014
#149
Surely Arne Duncan will receive innumerable messages as to where in the barrel
indepat
Jan 2014
#164
This is what we are doing with our turn at the bat. Fucking Arne Duncan.
TheKentuckian
Jan 2014
#171
Let's see. I was a teacher in the US before leaving for Korea and China.
Nanjing to Seoul
Jan 2014
#172