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93. No we can't. FDR made it very difficult for countries to unilaterally impose tariffs.

Thu Jan 16, 2014, 05:06 PM

Jan 2014

His construction of GATT (which led to the WTO) involved multilateral control of trading rules. He did not want to see a return to the tariff wars caused by the unilateral tariff increases by republican congresses and signed by Coolidge and Hoover.

The only way we could unilaterally impose whatever tariffs we want would be to withdraw from the WTO and abrogate our existing trade treaties. That kind of cowboy diplomacy would make many of our republican and tea party 'friends' very happy.

While I agree that the VAT plays a very productive role in Europe in terms of funding their very good safety net, you and I both know that the VAT is not a tariff since in raises the price of imports and domestically-produced goods by the same amount. It is somewhat regressive in nature (kind of a FICA on steroids) but it is used for a progressive purpose and is widely supported in Europe.

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100% corporate. 100%. All of the advisors to the admin on upcoming trade deals. [View all] cali Jan 2014 OP

It says... Atman Jan 2014 #1

yep. among other things. cali Jan 2014 #2

It's corporatist to the core, and has been since day one. jsr Jan 2014 #7

It says the corporations are getting their money's worth Trailrider1951 Jan 2014 #3

Reminds me of the ACA negotiations? Fumesucker Jan 2014 #4

Right down to Baucus running the show for the Democrats. bullwinkle428 Jan 2014 #20

And there's still time to have some people arrested! solarhydrocan Jan 2014 #30

Precisely...............nt Enthusiast Jan 2014 #98

Corporations rule the earth. jsr Jan 2014 #5

In with a K&R.....before spin control arrives. marmar Jan 2014 #6

It says that we have the best government corporations can buy! B Calm Jan 2014 #8

Exactly. polichick Jan 2014 #22

In the hierarchy of entities, artificial ones trump natural ones. --nt CrispyQ Jan 2014 #9

Where ProSense Jan 2014 #10

fail. do you even read your own links? cali Jan 2014 #12

LOL! No links of your own? ProSense Jan 2014 #23

Did you read her links? Because I see stuff there that refutes your OP. 100%. phleshdef Jan 2014 #32

Of course I read her links. NOTHING THERE REFUTES MY CLAIM cali Jan 2014 #34

Bullshit. phleshdef Jan 2014 #35

bullshit back at you.l cali Jan 2014 #38

I did look at the advisory members. phleshdef Jan 2014 #41

No employees' union representation here. JDPriestly Jan 2014 #42

So are you defending the "fast tracking" of the TPP? nm rhett o rick Jan 2014 #90

She is refuting a bogus claim. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2014 #131

She didnt rufute anything. She was merely pointing out that the OP may have rhett o rick Jan 2014 #137

LOL ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2014 #138

LOL if you like, the rudeness doesnt bother me. rhett o rick Jan 2014 #139

Rudeness? So sensitive, such the victim ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2014 #141

Again you try to deflect from the original discussion. I can see it's impossible to get you rhett o rick Jan 2014 #142

No ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2014 #143

Why are you reluctant to explain why you support the TPP? nm rhett o rick Jan 2014 #144

I don't know enough about it to express support or opposition ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2014 #145

Interesting that none of those that disparage the opposition to the agreement will actually rhett o rick Jan 2014 #146

In your opinion ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2014 #147

You seem to want to argue about anything except the actual TPP. nm rhett o rick Jan 2014 #148

Okay ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2014 #149

Sorry, but Krusty dont play that game. nm rhett o rick Jan 2014 #150

Just admit you were wrong ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2014 #152

Excuse me ...I voted for someone with a (D) behind their name. L0oniX Jan 2014 #11

Yes, I think they do need us PowerToThePeople Jan 2014 #39

Agreed, this tent has gotten way too big Broward Jan 2014 #86

"They need purged from the party". jtuck004 Jan 2014 #95

What are we going to do about it? nt ChisolmTrailDem Jan 2014 #13

We are going to reelect them even when they promise to do it again. nt Demo_Chris Jan 2014 #14

We do that every election. RC Jan 2014 #15

It's what we do so we can feel like we are making a difference. nt Demo_Chris Jan 2014 #19

I walk to my voting place and back. RC Jan 2014 #21

Post more unsubstantiated claims. ProSense Jan 2014 #24

Provocative comment, PS. Do you want it stopped? nt ChisolmTrailDem Jan 2014 #25

If it's going to destroy the country, yes. ProSense Jan 2014 #28

"proposing measures to create jobs and fight poverty" TBF Jan 2014 #59

Comment makes no sense. n/t ProSense Jan 2014 #62

lol - to you it wouldn't. TBF Jan 2014 #63

Look ProSense Jan 2014 #64

Answer the questions: TBF Jan 2014 #70

You know ProSense Jan 2014 #72

Just as I expected - TBF Jan 2014 #74

LOL! ProSense Jan 2014 #76

It's not invisible, it just doesn't say anything tkmorris Jan 2014 #78

What you mean ProSense Jan 2014 #80

It's all talk. JDPriestly Jan 2014 #87

Gee, ProSense Jan 2014 #89

+ a shit load......nt Enthusiast Jan 2014 #101

Every link goes back to Cali's OP - TBF Jan 2014 #88

+1 a significant amount! Enthusiast Jan 2014 #100

We should be imposing more tariffs on goods from China. JDPriestly Jan 2014 #85

That is exactly right. We should enact more tariffs on goods from China. Enthusiast Jan 2014 #102

Wrong! That comment makes perfect sense. Enthusiast Jan 2014 #99

Exactly! ctsnowman Jan 2014 #126

Please read my post # 42 in response to your post. JDPriestly Jan 2014 #43

I read it, and ProSense Jan 2014 #53

I find it interesting that some here, when backed into a corner, resort to the ridicule emoticon. rhett o rick Jan 2014 #79

What's ProSense Jan 2014 #81

Your play at naivete is "interesting". nm rhett o rick Jan 2014 #83

LOL! ProSense Jan 2014 #84

Interesting? It's downright pathetic. Enthusiast Jan 2014 #103

But it's what we have to fight against. The belief that a "good" authoritarian god rhett o rick Jan 2014 #108

I think conservative Democrats Enthusiast Jan 2014 #125

You know what's "pathetic" ProSense Jan 2014 #111

I am curious why you support this secret trade agreement? rhett o rick Jan 2014 #140

Picture diary coming in 3 - 2 - 1 ... blkmusclmachine Jan 2014 #113

Shameful. Brickbat Jan 2014 #16

11 dimensions of deception. blkmusclmachine Jan 2014 #115

Too much.... daleanime Jan 2014 #17

So once more... davidthegnome Jan 2014 #18

One Way Out And It Is Not The "Third Way" colsohlibgal Jan 2014 #26

It says that corporations rule the US as well as the world. City Lights Jan 2014 #27

UGH MoonRiver Jan 2014 #29

It says actions speak louder than words SHRED Jan 2014 #31

It says nothing because it isn't true. phleshdef Jan 2014 #33

LIE blkmusclmachine Jan 2014 #116

Here are Prosense's links that she falsely claims refutes my op: cali Jan 2014 #36

Sorry, but Prosense is right. subterranean Jan 2014 #40

Add up the environmental and trade union and consumer representatives and they are JDPriestly Jan 2014 #44

Trade and good labor policy are not mutually exclusive. The experience of progressive pampango Jan 2014 #47

Tell that to President Obama. JDPriestly Jan 2014 #49

Trade is good for everyone, if (IF) you have a progressive tax policy, legal support for unions and pampango Jan 2014 #54

A "service" economy means most jobs are "service" jobs. JDPriestly Jan 2014 #58

Service jobs are not interchangeable. Plumbers, mechanics, lawyers, engineers. There are so many pampango Jan 2014 #65

You can impose tariffs on imports. JDPriestly Jan 2014 #92

No we can't. FDR made it very difficult for countries to unilaterally impose tariffs. pampango Jan 2014 #93

Thanks for shedding light on this treestar Jan 2014 #136

Give it up. ProSense Jan 2014 #50

Why bother? When confronted with facts, you refuse to read them and play the ad hominem card. Egalitarian Thug Jan 2014 #55

You apparently believe saying anything makes it so. n/t ProSense Jan 2014 #56

Yeah, cause HUD "hates teh President" and is just trying to make him look bad. n/t Egalitarian Thug Jan 2014 #57

WTF does HUD have to do with the OP? ProSense Jan 2014 #60

Just the most recent example of your condition. Egalitarian Thug Jan 2014 #66

Again, what the hell does HUD have to do with this thread? ProSense Jan 2014 #67

Kicky-poo. Egalitarian Thug Jan 2014 #68

I think we will next see phase C. Phase A is baffle 'em with links. Phase B is use every logical rhett o rick Jan 2014 #110

I've found the devolution from true believer, to hack, to parody to be fascinating. Egalitarian Thug Jan 2014 #123

and of course bobduca Jan 2014 #151

How sad that you consider that it's a positive that she refutes that we are going to get 20 lashes rhett o rick Jan 2014 #109

As if that inaccuracy level completely disproves the OP and the likely consequence of their work?nt ancianita Jan 2014 #121

Rather than arguing against the obvious ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2014 #133

Agreed. subterranean Jan 2014 #135

The 'father of capitalism' though this sort of thing was a bad idea... JHB Jan 2014 #37

Yeah. Surprised? The lockout has been going on for decades librechik Jan 2014 #45

The Democratic Party was co-opted some time ago. That explains their fetish with "bipartisanship," blkmusclmachine Jan 2014 #117

Exactly the same thing it has said for over five years now. Thanks for the vote, sucker. - GSA Egalitarian Thug Jan 2014 #46

Maybe not even "Thanks for the vote" polichick Jan 2014 #52

That says all that needs to be said. Autumn Jan 2014 #48

USCA, United States of Corporate America n/t PowerToThePeople Jan 2014 #51

TPP MUST be defeated - TBF Jan 2014 #61

Yeah, I'm sure BHO will change horses mid-race. blkmusclmachine Jan 2014 #118

He's doing the job he was hired to do - TBF Jan 2014 #128

AT THE CONCLUSION OF NEGOTIATIONS THE NAMED ARE INVITED TO COMMENT. djean111 Jan 2014 #69

"It's just business - nothing personal" nt TBF Jan 2014 #71

Yep. So is my vote. djean111 Jan 2014 #73

... TBF Jan 2014 #75

when they claim transparency... ReasonableToo Jan 2014 #77

How very fascist. nt stillwaiting Jan 2014 #82

That's a word that more people should start using. polichick Jan 2014 #91

It tells me Obama is a corporatist trojan horse lark Jan 2014 #94

+1 blkmusclmachine Jan 2014 #119

"What does that say?" It says something very ugly about Enthusiast Jan 2014 #96

Chris Christie sulphurdunn Jan 2014 #97

I hope he's not in charge of bridges. nt TBF Jan 2014 #104

Naw, just road cone policy. sulphurdunn Jan 2014 #106

This shouldn't be a surprise... awoke_in_2003 Jan 2014 #105

Smoke and mirrors. blkmusclmachine Jan 2014 #120

k and r senseandsensibility Jan 2014 #107

HOPE! blkmusclmachine Jan 2014 #112

Sort of like the advisors on the ACA. Nobody but the insurance companies Cleita Jan 2014 #114

K&R woo me with science Jan 2014 #122

It says: DeSwiss Jan 2014 #124

Fascism. nt valerief Jan 2014 #127

I see the usual shills are here defending the indefensible. nt GoneFishin Jan 2014 #129

The DU Globalists always appear in these kind of threads. B Calm Jan 2014 #153

President Obama is bought and paid for by the PTB. n/t Hotler Jan 2014 #130

I'm stunned; absolutely numb from shock. nt Zorra Jan 2014 #132

It says that the government is captured by corporations blackspade Jan 2014 #134