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Prophet 451

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34. I'm not an athiest or agnostic
Sat Mar 17, 2012, 06:03 AM
Mar 2012

but I am a follower of a minority faith. I'm also British and religion is much less of an issue in public life here. While (from memory) about two-thirds of the populace identify as some variety of Christian, it is overwhelmingly seen as a personal and private matter. However, I would suggest from what you say that your discomfort is less with your faith (or lack thereof) and more with the kind of people who publically declare themselves as Christian these days. I would also suggest that such people are not following the teachings of Jesus (I have a lot of time for Jesus's teachings of peace and love, even if I don't consider him divine) but have forged a new religion. A religion which is, like Mormonism, an offshoot of Christianity but academically distinct from it. Whereas in most cases, a faith gets drawn into politics, this new faith exists directly because of politics. It melds fire-and-brimstone Christianity with ferverent nationalism and extreme-right political views. In fact, it's whole reason for existing is to provide a stamp of divine approval on far-right dogma; a faith which exists because of and in symbiosis with an ultraright political agenda. For many years, I worked on one of the internet's biggest religious sites and I saw many "Christians" who were really adherents only because they believed it gave them license to hold views of hatred, intolerence and viciousness.

Any religion (including my own) has it's fair share of assholes. That's just the laws of statistics and human nature. If you find that it's the assholes who are being represented; well, that's the state of the modern media for you. Sensationalism and outrage rule the day. Pat Robertson saying something outrageous sells more copies and gets more viewers than Pastor Bob feeding the hungry.

It's unclear from what you say what you believe in or whether you still believe in anything. However, I would suggest that where you place yourself in terms of faith should be guided by how you feel and your own relationship with your god(s), not by how anyone else chooses to use or misuse their religious beliefs. Faith is a journey, not a destination and if, when you look within yourself, you find that you no longer believe, that's fine. There are any number of wonderful people who are athieists or agnostics. Likewise, if you find that you still hold some belief, that's fine too. You can work to change the perceptions of people who feel just as you do. There are still Christian groups that believe in and try to follow the teachings of Jesus, that try to feed the hungry and look after the planet and so on. Just Google "Christian Left" and you'll find plenty of people who still believe but hold various lefty views. But what I'm saying is, let it be your choice, your thoughts and feelings, your relationship (or not) with the cosmos. Not a reaction to the behaviour of others. Don't let other people define you, they always get it wrong.

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I don't. (feel I'm in the closet) OriginalGeek Mar 2012 #1
My tolerance for in your face Christians is almost gone, ChairmanAgnostic Mar 2012 #26
Yessir OriginalGeek Mar 2012 #65
+1 sarcasmo Mar 2012 #71
Nope LadyHawkAZ Mar 2012 #2
LOL...or maybe I'm just a big coward! CoffeeCat Mar 2012 #8
It's all about what you feel comfortable with showing LadyHawkAZ Mar 2012 #76
And shouldn't the neighbours care about others feelings? n/t intaglio Mar 2012 #29
i don't hide it, but i don't brag about DesertFlower Mar 2012 #3
No. I'm quite open about my views. MrSlayer Mar 2012 #4
"today's 'Christian' seems rabid, unreasonable, judgmental and very suspicious and critical" ellisonz Mar 2012 #5
I do realize that... CoffeeCat Mar 2012 #7
There are more than you might suspect... ellisonz Mar 2012 #10
I see it as just Christian Religion Politicalboi Mar 2012 #15
Reason it seems it is Heathen57 Mar 2012 #27
Exactly.. sendero Mar 2012 #45
You are correct, I have many brothers and sisters in UC, They are not the majority Dragonfli Mar 2012 #22
I think there are more Baptists and Catholics than you think too... ellisonz Mar 2012 #91
I can only judge the actions of those I have met, I must have picked a bad state to live in Dragonfli Mar 2012 #92
I would say there is a definite urban/rural divide... ellisonz Mar 2012 #93
Thank you for a very thoughtful and informative reply. Dragonfli Mar 2012 #94
You're welcome. ellisonz Mar 2012 #95
I am totally "in the closet" about my lack of religion, professionally at least. riderinthestorm Mar 2012 #6
I'm from the midwest as well... CoffeeCat Mar 2012 #11
You probably would feel more comfortable in such a place. Mariana Mar 2012 #16
I'm so glad to see this... pipi_k Mar 2012 #68
I've read some of your posts about that. Mariana Mar 2012 #78
I have been but am no longer silent peasant one Mar 2012 #37
I completely understand. Wheaton women would be at the public pool perfectly coiffed and made up! riderinthestorm Mar 2012 #62
Yes and no, nadinbrzezinski Mar 2012 #9
Yes, as it is far less acceptable than being a Christian in a Muslim country JCMach1 Mar 2012 #12
Depends on the situation. progressoid Mar 2012 #13
I'm pretty much the same, Auggie Mar 2012 #40
Yes I do. I'm an agnostic but I keep it to myself Raine Mar 2012 #14
Not at all. LisaL Mar 2012 #17
No because I believe in One God, One religion, ancient and everlasting. Loudmxr Mar 2012 #18
Nnnnope. cherokeeprogressive Mar 2012 #19
I've gotten pretty good at being gently open about my opinions on religion. byronius Mar 2012 #20
Try the Unitarians. There are atheist/agnostic, and also neopagan discusssion groups-- eridani Mar 2012 #21
About half of the members of my UU church safeinOhio Mar 2012 #23
Most (if not all) people that understand comparative religeon respect the UU for all the reasons you Dragonfli Mar 2012 #24
I love the Unitarian Church! I was a member of LRY as a teenager. Walk away Mar 2012 #53
yes. barbtries Mar 2012 #25
No, I don't really have any family or friends that are really religious Son of Gob Mar 2012 #28
Thank you for this, CoffeeCat! Quantess Mar 2012 #30
I'm too proud a patriot to accept their theocratic aims and "be quiet" about how wrong they are TeamsterDem Mar 2012 #31
Years ago I sometimes felt this way. These days, no -- I now feel completely free to be open. (n/t) Jim Lane Mar 2012 #32
yes I do JitterbugPerfume Mar 2012 #33
I'm not an athiest or agnostic Prophet 451 Mar 2012 #34
I love your reply renate Mar 2012 #83
I have no use for religion, and I'm never afraid to say it, but I do it politely, I will not RKP5637 Mar 2012 #35
Nope not at all DLCbtheGOP Mar 2012 #36
I used to Blue Gardener Mar 2012 #38
Not uncomfortably so bhikkhu Mar 2012 #39
If I step out of the closet here in middle Kansas, Ship of Fools Mar 2012 #41
WWJK? renate Mar 2012 #81
No etherealtruth Mar 2012 #42
No, not really... pipi_k Mar 2012 #43
Nope tavalon Mar 2012 #44
I'm a proud fifth generation atheist. Ever since my great great was excommunicated in the 1880's. hobbit709 Mar 2012 #46
Not in the closet. But also not evangelistic about my atheism, either. MineralMan Mar 2012 #47
Not at all and I have been an Atheist since I was a seven year old... Walk away Mar 2012 #48
Nope. As an X-Xtian, I am upfront with my current Xtian pals. They support me for my views. freshwest Mar 2012 #49
P. S. Reason fundies are so pushy is that they don't believe anything of what they bought into... freshwest Mar 2012 #77
I'm an agnostic, dyslexic insomniac panader0 Mar 2012 #50
I'm a Christian that goes to church but my sister in law is an atheist. Jennicut Mar 2012 #51
Yes, but then again I'm an Orthodox Athiest. hootinholler Mar 2012 #52
Very few people are aware that I am non-believer, only a few of my family members and Arkansas Granny Mar 2012 #54
Why is this in GD? Union Scribe Mar 2012 #55
Because the Atheist/Agnostic and Religion/Theology groups aren't popular? freshwest Mar 2012 #58
So much of your post resonated Sheepshank Mar 2012 #56
Henny Youngman on atheism: panader0 Mar 2012 #57
The ecumenical combination of holidays is a thing to aspire to FarCenter Mar 2012 #59
Time to change flamingdem Mar 2012 #60
Interesting question and it touched a chord within me~ brought back memories merbex Mar 2012 #61
Great point---Religious vs. Spiritual CoffeeCat Mar 2012 #72
I've just always been an Atheist... Tikki Mar 2012 #63
No bigwillq Mar 2012 #64
I don't feel I need to keep to myself with friends, even religious friends. I am spiritual not Pisces Mar 2012 #66
It highly depends on where you live jeff47 Mar 2012 #67
My niece went to elementary thru high school in Colorado (suburban Denver) Arugula Latte Mar 2012 #75
Interesting. That's where Jesus said to pray. nt gulliver Mar 2012 #69
If you talk openly about being an atheist, you are militant and you hate religion... cynatnite Mar 2012 #70
No, but I often feel that the majority on DU wants me in the closet vis-a-vis my Christianity. WillowTree Mar 2012 #73
then go to the closet and pray to thy Father, who is in secret. Occulus Mar 2012 #84
We live in a liberal city (Portland), so no, we don't hide it. Arugula Latte Mar 2012 #74
Yes, And I No Longer Let The Situation Cause Concern - Other Peoples Views Are There Own cantbeserious Mar 2012 #79
Not at all. I have huge pride in being a nonbeliever. Lucky Luciano Mar 2012 #80
I was before, not now marlakay Mar 2012 #82
No excuse not to write Mar 2012 #85
I don't mention it, but if asked, I will always answer "Yes I'm an atheist" without hesitation. Throd Mar 2012 #86
Not where I am sakabatou Mar 2012 #87
Yes, only my family and close friends know about my non-belief. RebelOne Mar 2012 #88
no JI7 Mar 2012 #89
No varelse Mar 2012 #90
Yes. Manifestor_of_Light Mar 2012 #96
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