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30. Yeah, that's how you win. Personal attacks against people who would be on your

Thu Jan 16, 2014, 09:55 PM

Jan 2014

side, whose transgression, apparently, is recognizing reality, instead of attacking the enemy. And it's not the MSM's fault that occupy isn't doing anything big enough to report on.

Just because a few people throw themselves off a cliff to make a point doesn't mean that someone who doesn't isn't just as committed. Maybe they just see the futility in what wasn't being accomplished.

On the other hand, yours is the first post I have ever seen someone who is an occupy cheerleader suggest that they made a mistake. That's a first step. When you blame others you give away your power. The old saying goes something like

"First you blame others. Then you blame yourself. Then you blame no one and solve the problem".

The rich, evil, venal corporate/political state is our enemy. Their actions are evil. But blaming them instead of doing what needs to be done, whether because it is too hard, or we aren't smart enough, or are afraid to trust each other, or for whatever reason, is our responsibility alone.

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It Has Been Said Here, That The Brutal Take Down Of Occupy Is Hyperbole... [View all] WillyT Jan 2014 OP

America is a sad, shameful place these days. polichick Jan 2014 #1

De Blasio needs to be tested to see whose side he's really on. House of Roberts Jan 2014 #2

Funny you should say that. I recommended this very thing...... socialist_n_TN Jan 2014 #19

Hey thanks! House of Roberts Jan 2014 #36

+1 1000words Jan 2014 #25

I thank how you like! House of Roberts Jan 2014 #38

That would be a baseless claim, WillyT. Jefferson23 Jan 2014 #3

What Occupy went through pales in comparison to what the Civil Rights movement went through Cali_Democrat Jan 2014 #4

Ya See Cali_D... We Made The Mistake Of Thinking That Those Before Us Paved The Way... WillyT Jan 2014 #9

No. Occupy GAVE UP Cali_Democrat Jan 2014 #10

So Where Is...Or Was... YOUR Tent Located ??? WillyT Jan 2014 #23

Yeah, that's how you win. Personal attacks against people who would be on your jtuck004 Jan 2014 #30

And Yet The Fact That Y'all Would Shit On These Honorable Folks... The Ones That Tried... WillyT Jan 2014 #37

"These folks" is all of us, btw. And who is shitting on them? The people who make jtuck004 Jan 2014 #41

Ok... That's Two Posts Of Yours I Do Not Understand... Could Ya Boil It Down ??? WillyT Jan 2014 #43

The short version. One day a little bird landed, frozen, in the snow of a field. jtuck004 Jan 2014 #115

Well that is how it is done WillyT zeemike Jan 2014 #60

So, you're saying that DUers should stand by Occupy no matter what and defend it and never merrily Jan 2014 #81

Well that is just how it works. zeemike Jan 2014 #85

somehow, your first post did not seem quite that evenhanded. merrily Jan 2014 #87

They had no internet, but there was the Draft notundecided Jan 2014 #29

Bullshit. NuclearDem Jan 2014 #32

Add Occupy Foreclosures and Occupy First Night, so many others. merrily Jan 2014 #83

Here, let me help you since you seem lost and uninformed. Did you know that OWS's goal was to sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #89

+1,000 and still no one has mentioned Rolling Jubilee or this ... Scuba Jan 2014 #116

Well, some of us have sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #137

^^^^this^^^^ L0oniX Jan 2014 #127

"The Volcker Rule Cites the Occupy Movement 284 Times" Hissyspit Jan 2014 #111

Occupy Boston is still active. merrily Jan 2014 #56

Bull. Th1onein Jan 2014 #12

OWS is only beginning. Give it time. So much wishful thinking. 'OWS IS DEAD!' Lol! sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #24

I know. merrily Jan 2014 #73

Occupy had logistic problems. The problem of living in tents in the winter was a big one. JDPriestly Jan 2014 #47

Sleeping outdoors could go on only for so long, but, obviously, merrily Jan 2014 #77

Boston Occupy is still at work. merrily Jan 2014 #54

+1. There are people alive who don't even know that there was once a good guy named "Chaney." MADem Jan 2014 #88

They are buying debt and giving people their houses back, thank you! grahamhgreen Jan 2014 #101

That depends heavily on which statement is being analyzed. WatermelonRat Jan 2014 #5

Bull. Th1onein Jan 2014 #13

Is it? Considering that the FBI labeled OWS as a 'terrorist threat', revealed through an FOIA sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #26

No need for speculation about which statement is being analyzed. merrily Jan 2014 #86

I confess, those idealistic kids and their photo shop!!!! nadinbrzezinski Jan 2014 #6

The best test is to take it completely out of our own context and put it someplace else. pa28 Jan 2014 #7

+1 - The Duplicity Of American Media And The Oligarchs (1%) That Own The News cantbeserious Jan 2014 #8

A poster stated Kelvin Mace Jan 2014 #11

Bull. Th1onein Jan 2014 #15

"They" are right here on DU... reACTIONary Jan 2014 #48

Some are. How many are not? Th1onein Jan 2014 #79

Could you move your pc cam to the right just a little bit snooper2 Jan 2014 #122

Typical move to discredit another's point of view/belief Th1onein Jan 2014 #139

I guess I'm an exception, then. ancianita Jan 2014 #59

FOIA your FBI file nadinbrzezinski Jan 2014 #135

Good idea. I'll get back to you. ancianita Jan 2014 #149

One of my relatives, who helped out Occupy... reACTIONary Jan 2014 #146

Was Occupy "classified as terrorists"... reACTIONary Jan 2014 #147

Big brother will not blanche demonstration of displeasure with the policies or actions of indepat Jan 2014 #14

Who is this Big Brother? Progressive dog Jan 2014 #138

by someone who brags about having money and the influence it buys on the "Democratic" process reddread Jan 2014 #16

well the trouble was they needed something better hfojvt Jan 2014 #17

The camp in the park indefinitely was very much a media meme as the only thing done nadinbrzezinski Jan 2014 #18

The one thing that Ocuppy did accomplish... reACTIONary Jan 2014 #52

That was my local occupy nadinbrzezinski Jan 2014 #53

Thanks for the info... I'll google it. (nt) reACTIONary Jan 2014 #55

It helps when one of the activists was a career employee of the CPUC nadinbrzezinski Jan 2014 #67

Occupy had absolutely NOTHING to do with San Onofre closing. zappaman Jan 2014 #62

that's all well and good hfojvt Jan 2014 #120

Like it wasn't nadinbrzezinski Jan 2014 #131

you shouldn't think that hfojvt Jan 2014 #132

The photos, some of the photos in 1964, are of campus and state nadinbrzezinski Jan 2014 #133

Seeing OWS as a political movement is your first mistake 1000words Jan 2014 #21

Well there is that too nadinbrzezinski Jan 2014 #27

okay hfojvt Jan 2014 #121

Actually OWS had huge support, over 80% in NYC when Bloomberg was using what he called 'his army' to sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #28

+1000 JDPriestly Jan 2014 #50

meaning that hfojvt Jan 2014 #123

Occupy isn't a branch of the Democratic Party. NuclearDem Jan 2014 #34

And that's the problem as far as they're concerned. Occupy embodied the rejection of Egalitarian Thug Jan 2014 #61

I just consider the source and dismiss it. K&R Egalitarian Thug Jan 2014 #20

Debate is stifled when all one poster does is respond with LOL! and rollie smilies. OnyxCollie Jan 2014 #70

It isn't hyperbole, Willy, to anyone... 99Forever Jan 2014 #22

How old are these pix? babylonsister Jan 2014 #31

You Don't Recognize Any Of Them ??? WillyT Jan 2014 #35

The first pic is of an Iraq veteran... tnlefty Jan 2014 #39

Yep... And The Women Maced In NY, And The Kids Maced At UC Davis... WillyT Jan 2014 #40

I recognize ALL of them! And my comment below babylonsister Jan 2014 #46

Just Curious... How Come You're Not Riled Up ??? WillyT Jan 2014 #51

You keep that up, you will have a heart attack. babylonsister Jan 2014 #63

Thank You For That... But, How Long Do We Wait When The Answers Are In Front Of Our Faces ??? WillyT Jan 2014 #64

Live your life, and if you have any idea how to solve this... babylonsister Jan 2014 #69

Wow... WillyT Jan 2014 #71

Just accept Obama into your life and everything will be fine. OnyxCollie Jan 2014 #72

Yeah... I Feel Like I'm At A Scientology Gathering... WillyT Jan 2014 #75

And after Obama, whoever replaces him nadinbrzezinski Jan 2014 #80

The fight might have to be evolutionary rather than revolutionary in huge country with 50 judicial ancianita Jan 2014 #105

Seeds...what happened after Freedom summer in the 60s nadinbrzezinski Jan 2014 #136

Haha!! What's selfish? babylonsister Jan 2014 #74

You're Positive About You... WillyT Jan 2014 #76

Bwhahaha!!Yes, I'm in it for me. I babylonsister Jan 2014 #82

LOL !!! - Yeah, And At The Rate We're Going... We're Gonna Have To Figure Out How To Vote For... WillyT Jan 2014 #84

Ironic infoviro Jan 2014 #119

one person walking is not gonna change much hfojvt Jan 2014 #124

You seriously did not recognize them? nadinbrzezinski Jan 2014 #44

Yes, but it's great shit, Mrs. Crezgie! MrMickeysMom Jan 2014 #66

Flagged as potential terrorists, but no one needed to throw that label on them. NuclearDem Jan 2014 #33

I would be willing to bet that NSA is closely monitoring many of the people who ... spin Jan 2014 #42

Oh, don't stop there! MrMickeysMom Jan 2014 #68

True. (n/t) spin Jan 2014 #78

Even in da 60s, when you went to the next demonstration, the joke was Eleanors38 Jan 2014 #145

And they should be banned for their blatant fascist rhetoric...occupy was brutalized and still hunte Drew Richards Jan 2014 #45

K&R ReRe Jan 2014 #49

Not hyperbole. But perhaps if the issue is whether it's been killed, perhaps it wasn't meant to stay ancianita Jan 2014 #57

Great Points All !!! WillyT Jan 2014 #58

Before Occupy began, the national conversation was about how merrily Jan 2014 #90

+ 1,000,000,000... What You Said !!! WillyT Jan 2014 #93

Agreed.Occupy isn't dead at all.It taught millions, and the changes you outline can't be overlooked. ancianita Jan 2014 #97

As this thread points out well, some of the lies come from Democrats. merrily Jan 2014 #99

In hashing out the significance of OWS, differing rhetoric and understandings don't constitute lies. ancianita Jan 2014 #102

Very true. merrily Jan 2014 #103

NOW you're talking sellout. Or sarcasm? I'm talking about making effort in unity of understanding, ancianita Jan 2014 #107

Neither sell out nor sarcasm. merrily Jan 2014 #110

Ah. Thanks for the clarification. Fair points. I think and act the same way about differences. ancianita Jan 2014 #113

You're welcome. And thank you for your thoughts. merrily Jan 2014 #114

OWS is not 3rd way corporate centrist Dem friendly. L0oniX Jan 2014 #128

+ another Scuba Jan 2014 #117

I agree. n/t lumberjack_jeff Jan 2014 #126

Hyperbole is mstinamotorcity2 Jan 2014 #65

"The brutal takedown" presumes the various responses to Occupy were one-and-the-same action struggle4progress Jan 2014 #91

No, it hasn't... brooklynite Jan 2014 #92

Parsing... Try THIS On For Size: WillyT Jan 2014 #94

Perhaps...now show me where DU has described the Police response to Occupy as Hyperbole brooklynite Jan 2014 #95

Not DU... But Go Here: WillyT Jan 2014 #96

Quoting the OP: "It has been said HERE...." brooklynite Jan 2014 #98

Ok Fine... You Look At ThOSE Pictures, And Argue Semantics Instead Of Humanity ??? WillyT Jan 2014 #100

Chicken shit couch monkey Anti Justice Movement corporatist weenbags say that about every group Zorra Jan 2014 #104

Yep... Good Thing They Weren't Terrorists... They Might Have REALLY Gotten Their Asses Kicked... WillyT Jan 2014 #106

I was involved in Occupy and saw some bad stuff done by the "authorities." U4ikLefty Jan 2014 #108

Thank You... And Thank You For That Info !!! WillyT Jan 2014 #109

Well my work outs included a good guessing of routes nadinbrzezinski Jan 2014 #134

This message was self-deleted by its author Hissyspit Jan 2014 #112

Kicked and recommended a whole bunch. Enthusiast Jan 2014 #118

"Non-violent" protests are a misnomer. In actuality, they are roughly half as violent. lumberjack_jeff Jan 2014 #125

FBI talked about SHOOTING people with a contractor like MURDER was business-as-usual. Octafish Jan 2014 #129

K&R Kurovski Jan 2014 #141

Something is very wrong when citizens who protest injustice... Octafish Jan 2014 #142

Thanks, WillyT. This is why they brutalized peaceful Occupy protesters: Zorra Jan 2014 #130

That should be an OP. Octafish Jan 2014 #143

The people who wrote it are us. Zorra Jan 2014 #144

Common Willy T, they were after all in the way of the bankers limo's... arthritisR_US Jan 2014 #140

May I offer a poem? "Tense, Quiet Interlude:" Eleanors38 Jan 2014 #148