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(80,298 posts) Thu Jan 16, 2014, 10:26 PM Jan 2014

I fear for this Pope [View all]

Pope Francis fires all but one Cardinal Running Vatican Bank

He did so as they were 11 months into a 5 year term. We have been waiting for actions like this.

I think we all know there won't be a lot of change in the catholic church re abortion (even though his belief that it shouldn't be a priority is pretty major imo) and for those of us who really like this pope we do so seeing the flaws as well. Women will be another issue but one i hope to see slow change in during his reign. However in other areas he has been a breath of fresh air and now he is starting to clean up the corruption in the bank.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/...

Francis’ move essentially undid a decree issued last year by his predecessor, Pope Benedict XVI, who confirmed the Vatican Bank’s supervisory body for another five years, just days before announcing his retirement. The most high-profile figure sacked on Wednesday was Cardinal Tarcisio Bertone, Benedict’s secretary of state and the face of administrative woes of Benedict’s papacy.

This is a big deal. Firings are not the norm at the bank, they have gone their own way for ages with the occasional individual ousted rather than only one individual kept.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/01/16/1270065/-Pope-Francis-fires-all-but-one-Cardinal-Running-Vatican-Bank?detail=facebook

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I fear for this Pope [View all] CatWoman Jan 2014 OP

He is certainly not part of the old status quo. House of Roberts Jan 2014 #1

Me too shenmue Jan 2014 #2

This message was self-deleted by its author RKP5637 Jan 2014 #6

Fairness to all? theHandpuppet Jan 2014 #10

I don't think he'd preach being vengeful against gays. House of Roberts Jan 2014 #15

Do you have ANY idea what he has said about gay people? theHandpuppet Jan 2014 #16

You may exhibit support for your 'realities' House of Roberts Jan 2014 #21

"Site search" is your friend theHandpuppet Jan 2014 #23

I'm alternating between here, Crooks and Liars, and a Wordpress House of Roberts Jan 2014 #24

Then you will allow yourself to become mouthpiece for hateful things Bluenorthwest Jan 2014 #80

Speaking of reality... Shemp Howard Jan 2014 #36

That is not what angers me theHandpuppet Jan 2014 #42

Number of Roman Catholics in world circa 2011: 1.21 Billion delrem Jan 2014 #63

I'll never understand why posts like yours don't PROVIDE the answers to the questions you ask cherokeeprogressive Jan 2014 #49

You know why I hesitated? theHandpuppet Jan 2014 #53

So you don't know? Can't you at least give me a synopsis? Summarize his answers for me? cherokeeprogressive Jan 2014 #56

Or maybe I'm just getting cranky... theHandpuppet Jan 2014 #65

And notice the silence you brouth to the naysayer. Bluenorthwest Jan 2014 #81

Opening the priesthood to women won't come under his watch. n/t AngryOldDem Jan 2014 #78

Yeah, it was a stretch, he'll keep up that backward tradition ... RKP5637 Jan 2014 #73

If you are head of the RCC, you CANNOT have "a fair sense of balance in life", mr blur Jan 2014 #108

Yes, quite true, I got carried away with hopefulness, in fact, I'm going RKP5637 Jan 2014 #109

So do I. Baitball Blogger Jan 2014 #3

It is a sad day when leaders would even consider doing harm to another man dedicated Thinkingabout Jan 2014 #4

My guess is the Vatican GP6971 Jan 2014 #5

If he's messing with the banking, he's rocking the boat. n/t Cleita Jan 2014 #9

"not in a serious way?" Banking? Where's economic determinism when you need it? Eleanors38 Jan 2014 #13

Jesus, Prince of Peace, used a whip to violently drive moneychangers from the Bluenorthwest Jan 2014 #82

The poor aren't a major issue? Squinch Jan 2014 #28

Of course it is and I'm thrilled to see it GP6971 Jan 2014 #45

The poor aren't a core issue? Squinch Jan 2014 #48

Off course it is and I applaud his sincere efforts to address the issue and taking positive action GP6971 Jan 2014 #51

Equity is an extremely important issue BarackTheVote Jan 2014 #72

The real problem there is the Church's opposition to birth control. Because being able to limit nomorenomore08 Jan 2014 #121

I hope he has a food taster n/t Holly_Hobby Jan 2014 #7

I heard he prepares his own meals. n/t TexasProgresive Jan 2014 #11

I'm certain there is a certain faction that have mixed the Cleita Jan 2014 #8

And I bet there are people rejoicing his actions. babylonsister Jan 2014 #12

No Catholic here, but this guy has good stuff... Eleanors38 Jan 2014 #14

It's not even about help, it's about such a man of stature finally doing babylonsister Jan 2014 #35

I agree. Lest they are too religious, I hope atheists see this, too. Eleanors38 Jan 2014 #79

I like him very much. 840high Jan 2014 #30

I'm a "fallen" Catholic, and no one is more critical of the church than a "fallen" Catholic, Squinch Jan 2014 #32

link to washingtonpost.com tiredtoo Jan 2014 #17

Here herding cats Jan 2014 #20

John Paul I "died" after one month in the Vatican no_hypocrisy Jan 2014 #18

Read the book... 3catwoman3 Jan 2014 #52

That's the first thing that crossed my mind when I heard that he was NealK Jan 2014 #62

I also keep remembering John Paul drmeow Jan 2014 #113

He wasn't the only one who died. PADemD Feb 2014 #162

I've wondered if he's ok with the idea of being a martyr. herding cats Jan 2014 #19

That's what is so special about this guy. He broke the mold, and babylonsister Jan 2014 #37

This IS a big deal. I read this earlier and had the same thoughts regarding his safety. sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #22

This is one of the most insulting posts I've ever read on DU theHandpuppet Jan 2014 #25

No it isn't, not by a long shot. I find posts USING WOMEN to be among the most insulting I've sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #26

Meet the new pope. Same as the old pope. nt Walk away Jan 2014 #27

I have met neither, but I like this one. Not so much the other one. He certainly is getting all the sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #31

Lots of new converts and the best cover for immoral & illegal activities ever! Walk away Jan 2014 #93

Excuse me?? Could you say that again in a way that it makes sense? I have no clue what you sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #98

Sure... Walk away Jan 2014 #101

That's quite a conspiracy theory. It must be hard to have become so cynical sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #105

That's right... Walk away Jan 2014 #110

There are all kinds of bigotry in this world. sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #111

I stand by my post theHandpuppet Jan 2014 #29

You will not succeed in silencing women, like me, and there are millions of us, from stating our sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #34

+1000 Katashi_itto Jan 2014 #38

What a surprise. theHandpuppet Jan 2014 #40

Do I care what your opinion is, other than you have a right to one? Katashi_itto Jan 2014 #41

Of course not. theHandpuppet Jan 2014 #44

Good for you! Least you have something right Katashi_itto Jan 2014 #47

Lol! NealK Jan 2014 #70

I will not stand idly by when you accuse other DUers... theHandpuppet Jan 2014 #39

And I will not stand idly by when DU women like me, are attacked out of the blue sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #50

Nice try. theHandpuppet Jan 2014 #55

I stated my opinion and I will repeat it whether you like it or not. I as a woman am sick to death sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #59

And this is what I believe theHandpuppet Jan 2014 #68

A woman's autonomy may not be important to you, but out is to me PeaceNikki Jan 2014 #76

It is because a woman's autonomy is so important to me that I have so much concern for the fact sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #92

Access to contraception reduces poverty and disease in developing countries. PeaceNikki Jan 2014 #94

Christopher Hitchens opposed women's rights to live in peace, to education, to equality as they had sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #97

Your feelings about him aside, his words I posted are 100% true. PeaceNikki Jan 2014 #99

Words. Easy things to spit out. No one can support War AND Women's Rights sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #104

K&R Kurovski Jan 2014 #120

And yet... theHandpuppet Jan 2014 #126

This is what you stand with, what you defend, Francis on equality for LGBT Bluenorthwest Jan 2014 #87

This is what you oppose: sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #95

No it's not. This is Bluenorthwest Jan 2014 #100

It is beyond disgusting that you would question my commitment to equal rights for everyone sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #102

You are such a hypocrite, you question the commitment of others for their criticism of a fucking... Humanist_Activist Jan 2014 #150

If this is how the anti-Pope contingency speaks to sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #158

So now you lie? Really, I call you out on your obvious hypocrisy, and you lie? Humanist_Activist Jan 2014 #160

+1000! NealK Jan 2014 #67

You are perpetrating what she is talking about. Cleita Jan 2014 #58

Don't be ridiculous. eShirl Jan 2014 #60

Nope, the Pope is managing to do that himself theHandpuppet Jan 2014 #69

Thank you ... sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #71

Francis on equality for gay people: Bluenorthwest Jan 2014 #84

Another good one, even more recent theHandpuppet Jan 2014 #88

I'm posting a past thread in which you say "The church is not anti-gay" among Bluenorthwest Jan 2014 #83

This message was self-deleted by its author Cleita Jan 2014 #103

Kinda like you, Ms. "lifestyle choices"? I still don't understand how you weren't PPR'd. n/t Humanist_Activist Jan 2014 #148

Well said, sabrina. NealK Jan 2014 #64

I haven't made a single hyperbolic, or even particularly vehement, post against Francis. nomorenomore08 Jan 2014 #122

Case in point... theHandpuppet Jan 2014 #124

Don't get me wrong, I'm very glad he's pissing off Limbaugh and all the rest. nomorenomore08 Jan 2014 #128

He, like our president, who has far more time actually, does not have the power to walk into sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #127

I'm no great supporter of Obama, even if I voted for the guy twice. Not as if I had a better option nomorenomore08 Jan 2014 #130

This message was self-deleted by its author sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #140

Wrong place on the deleted post. Anyhow, Francis did tell them to lay off on their 'obsession with sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #142

Nice diversion theHandpuppet Jan 2014 #131

He doesn't have a magic wand. sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #132

I suggest you check my DU Journal theHandpuppet Jan 2014 #134

Well, he certainly is in a better position to make changes than the leader of an ancient sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #135

As long as we occupy foreign lands.... theHandpuppet Jan 2014 #136

Well, we are very much in agreement on that. I have never stopped speaking out on those very issues sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #141

That poster doesn't think the Pope has a "magic wand." joshcryer Jan 2014 #139

If you have something to say to me say it directly so I can respond. The POTUS can issue an sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #143

Papal infallibility concerns ONLY doctrine. joshcryer Jan 2014 #145

I want nothing to do with you so I will thank you not to comment on my comments, as I have made it sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #154

You responded to me. joshcryer Jan 2014 #155

Do not comment on my comments, it is an attempt on your part to engage me. You are wrong, period. sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #156

You initially responded to me. joshcryer Jan 2014 #157

His anti-poverty message is the least committed thing possible. joshcryer Jan 2014 #138

I think it depends on what people know about this huge religious institution. If they do not sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #144

Sorry Sabrina, you're just wrong on this. There is no comparison between the Office of the POTUS Egalitarian Thug Jan 2014 #146

+1 joshcryer Jan 2014 #149

It's easy to understand how someone not indoctrinated since birth into the lunacy can misunderstand Egalitarian Thug Jan 2014 #152

True. joshcryer Jan 2014 #153

Nonsense. Many valid points. JNelson6563 Jan 2014 #106

You must be reading an invisible post. pnwmom Jan 2014 #116

Thank you. I thought it was pretty clear myself. The pope has also been clear on these tactics they sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #119

Good luck with that. joshcryer Jan 2014 #137

Yes -- they have been using women and gays to keep the focus off the 1%. pnwmom Jan 2014 #115

That is pretty bad el_bryanto Jan 2014 #117

Really, you don't think Right Wing fundies are doing it maliciously? You don't think that the sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #118

And just who can solve that dilemma? theHandpuppet Jan 2014 #123

Anything to say about the women who are daily victims of our foreign policy? The raped, the sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #129

Do you assume I am some kind of warhawk theHandpuppet Jan 2014 #133

Let's all send him some positive energy! Chief D Jan 2014 #33

At the rate Francis is going, in two years time MannyGoldstein Jan 2014 #43

Francis on equality for gay people: Bluenorthwest Jan 2014 #86

I worry about him too.... ReRe Jan 2014 #46

You are so correct about the "The world is sorely lacking in positive forces." There is RKP5637 Jan 2014 #74

Heck... ReRe Jan 2014 #125

I read a book that concerned the corruption in that bank. It goes back a long way. JDPriestly Jan 2014 #54

He is against gay folks... awoke_in_2003 Jan 2014 #57

I don't have the link/article right now, but one of my friends sent me something RKP5637 Jan 2014 #75

Francis on equality for gay people: Bluenorthwest Jan 2014 #85

And yet he's for potentially allowing marriage. joshcryer Jan 2014 #147

This book looks interesting. PADemD Jan 2014 #61

So do I. Beacool Jan 2014 #66

The bank just needs to be shut. Period. AngryOldDem Jan 2014 #77

I fear for those he promotes hate toward. NCTraveler Jan 2014 #89

+1000 theHandpuppet Jan 2014 #91

But Jesus said ,' do unto the least of these what you'd never allow to be done unto you.' Didn't he? Bluenorthwest Jan 2014 #96

I don't fear for him - he is already too big for them to harm karynnj Jan 2014 #90

Killing a leader can cripple a movement DerekG Jan 2014 #107

The number of priest he has defrocked is impressive Gothmog Jan 2014 #112

Those were Ratz's numbers. PeaceNikki Jan 2014 #114

He's the "bad" Pope, so he doesn't count. Humanist_Activist Jan 2014 #151

Yes, that's exactly what I said. PeaceNikki Jan 2014 #159

I was pointing out that many of the people who are lauding Pope Francis were... Humanist_Activist Jan 2014 #161