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merrily

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110. Neither sell out nor sarcasm.

Fri Jan 17, 2014, 01:41 AM

Jan 2014

I understood your point. I did not, however, interpret your point as meaning I could never disagree with people who are critical of Occupy, only that I should not throw the term "lie" around carelessly. The latter is the point that I took that point to heart and said I would try to apply it to everyone.

"even Republicans" may have been posted half tongue in cheek, subconciously, but only half and only subconsciously. This is why:

First, at least in theory, I am not big on double standards.

Perhaps more importantly, if the 99% is going to reach its maximum, IMO, it will have to be 99%, not 50%. So, lately, I have been trying to work on being less knee jerk hateful about Republicans (those who are like me, meaning not professioinal politicians). I cannot honestly say that has been anything to which I have devoted a lot of effort to date. However, I do think that I should be trying.

If our enemies are truly the 1% and not each other, doesn't keeping us divided serve our enemies more than it serves us?

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It Has Been Said Here, That The Brutal Take Down Of Occupy Is Hyperbole... [View all] WillyT Jan 2014 OP

America is a sad, shameful place these days. polichick Jan 2014 #1

De Blasio needs to be tested to see whose side he's really on. House of Roberts Jan 2014 #2

Funny you should say that. I recommended this very thing...... socialist_n_TN Jan 2014 #19

Hey thanks! House of Roberts Jan 2014 #36

+1 1000words Jan 2014 #25

I thank how you like! House of Roberts Jan 2014 #38

That would be a baseless claim, WillyT. Jefferson23 Jan 2014 #3

What Occupy went through pales in comparison to what the Civil Rights movement went through Cali_Democrat Jan 2014 #4

Ya See Cali_D... We Made The Mistake Of Thinking That Those Before Us Paved The Way... WillyT Jan 2014 #9

No. Occupy GAVE UP Cali_Democrat Jan 2014 #10

So Where Is...Or Was... YOUR Tent Located ??? WillyT Jan 2014 #23

Yeah, that's how you win. Personal attacks against people who would be on your jtuck004 Jan 2014 #30

And Yet The Fact That Y'all Would Shit On These Honorable Folks... The Ones That Tried... WillyT Jan 2014 #37

"These folks" is all of us, btw. And who is shitting on them? The people who make jtuck004 Jan 2014 #41

Ok... That's Two Posts Of Yours I Do Not Understand... Could Ya Boil It Down ??? WillyT Jan 2014 #43

The short version. One day a little bird landed, frozen, in the snow of a field. jtuck004 Jan 2014 #115

Well that is how it is done WillyT zeemike Jan 2014 #60

So, you're saying that DUers should stand by Occupy no matter what and defend it and never merrily Jan 2014 #81

Well that is just how it works. zeemike Jan 2014 #85

somehow, your first post did not seem quite that evenhanded. merrily Jan 2014 #87

They had no internet, but there was the Draft notundecided Jan 2014 #29

Bullshit. NuclearDem Jan 2014 #32

Add Occupy Foreclosures and Occupy First Night, so many others. merrily Jan 2014 #83

Here, let me help you since you seem lost and uninformed. Did you know that OWS's goal was to sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #89

+1,000 and still no one has mentioned Rolling Jubilee or this ... Scuba Jan 2014 #116

Well, some of us have sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #137

^^^^this^^^^ L0oniX Jan 2014 #127

"The Volcker Rule Cites the Occupy Movement 284 Times" Hissyspit Jan 2014 #111

Occupy Boston is still active. merrily Jan 2014 #56

Bull. Th1onein Jan 2014 #12

OWS is only beginning. Give it time. So much wishful thinking. 'OWS IS DEAD!' Lol! sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #24

I know. merrily Jan 2014 #73

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Sleeping outdoors could go on only for so long, but, obviously, merrily Jan 2014 #77

Boston Occupy is still at work. merrily Jan 2014 #54

+1. There are people alive who don't even know that there was once a good guy named "Chaney." MADem Jan 2014 #88

They are buying debt and giving people their houses back, thank you! grahamhgreen Jan 2014 #101

That depends heavily on which statement is being analyzed. WatermelonRat Jan 2014 #5

Bull. Th1onein Jan 2014 #13

Is it? Considering that the FBI labeled OWS as a 'terrorist threat', revealed through an FOIA sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #26

No need for speculation about which statement is being analyzed. merrily Jan 2014 #86

I confess, those idealistic kids and their photo shop!!!! nadinbrzezinski Jan 2014 #6

The best test is to take it completely out of our own context and put it someplace else. pa28 Jan 2014 #7

+1 - The Duplicity Of American Media And The Oligarchs (1%) That Own The News cantbeserious Jan 2014 #8

A poster stated Kelvin Mace Jan 2014 #11

Bull. Th1onein Jan 2014 #15

"They" are right here on DU... reACTIONary Jan 2014 #48

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Typical move to discredit another's point of view/belief Th1onein Jan 2014 #139

I guess I'm an exception, then. ancianita Jan 2014 #59

FOIA your FBI file nadinbrzezinski Jan 2014 #135

Good idea. I'll get back to you. ancianita Jan 2014 #149

One of my relatives, who helped out Occupy... reACTIONary Jan 2014 #146

Was Occupy "classified as terrorists"... reACTIONary Jan 2014 #147

Big brother will not blanche demonstration of displeasure with the policies or actions of indepat Jan 2014 #14

Who is this Big Brother? Progressive dog Jan 2014 #138

by someone who brags about having money and the influence it buys on the "Democratic" process reddread Jan 2014 #16

well the trouble was they needed something better hfojvt Jan 2014 #17

The camp in the park indefinitely was very much a media meme as the only thing done nadinbrzezinski Jan 2014 #18

The one thing that Ocuppy did accomplish... reACTIONary Jan 2014 #52

That was my local occupy nadinbrzezinski Jan 2014 #53

Thanks for the info... I'll google it. (nt) reACTIONary Jan 2014 #55

It helps when one of the activists was a career employee of the CPUC nadinbrzezinski Jan 2014 #67

Occupy had absolutely NOTHING to do with San Onofre closing. zappaman Jan 2014 #62

that's all well and good hfojvt Jan 2014 #120

Like it wasn't nadinbrzezinski Jan 2014 #131

you shouldn't think that hfojvt Jan 2014 #132

The photos, some of the photos in 1964, are of campus and state nadinbrzezinski Jan 2014 #133

Seeing OWS as a political movement is your first mistake 1000words Jan 2014 #21

Well there is that too nadinbrzezinski Jan 2014 #27

okay hfojvt Jan 2014 #121

Actually OWS had huge support, over 80% in NYC when Bloomberg was using what he called 'his army' to sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #28

+1000 JDPriestly Jan 2014 #50

meaning that hfojvt Jan 2014 #123

Occupy isn't a branch of the Democratic Party. NuclearDem Jan 2014 #34

And that's the problem as far as they're concerned. Occupy embodied the rejection of Egalitarian Thug Jan 2014 #61

I just consider the source and dismiss it. K&R Egalitarian Thug Jan 2014 #20

Debate is stifled when all one poster does is respond with LOL! and rollie smilies. OnyxCollie Jan 2014 #70

It isn't hyperbole, Willy, to anyone... 99Forever Jan 2014 #22

How old are these pix? babylonsister Jan 2014 #31

You Don't Recognize Any Of Them ??? WillyT Jan 2014 #35

The first pic is of an Iraq veteran... tnlefty Jan 2014 #39

Yep... And The Women Maced In NY, And The Kids Maced At UC Davis... WillyT Jan 2014 #40

I recognize ALL of them! And my comment below babylonsister Jan 2014 #46

Just Curious... How Come You're Not Riled Up ??? WillyT Jan 2014 #51

You keep that up, you will have a heart attack. babylonsister Jan 2014 #63

Thank You For That... But, How Long Do We Wait When The Answers Are In Front Of Our Faces ??? WillyT Jan 2014 #64

Live your life, and if you have any idea how to solve this... babylonsister Jan 2014 #69

Wow... WillyT Jan 2014 #71

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Yeah... I Feel Like I'm At A Scientology Gathering... WillyT Jan 2014 #75

And after Obama, whoever replaces him nadinbrzezinski Jan 2014 #80

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Seeds...what happened after Freedom summer in the 60s nadinbrzezinski Jan 2014 #136

Haha!! What's selfish? babylonsister Jan 2014 #74

You're Positive About You... WillyT Jan 2014 #76

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Ironic infoviro Jan 2014 #119

one person walking is not gonna change much hfojvt Jan 2014 #124

You seriously did not recognize them? nadinbrzezinski Jan 2014 #44

Yes, but it's great shit, Mrs. Crezgie! MrMickeysMom Jan 2014 #66

Flagged as potential terrorists, but no one needed to throw that label on them. NuclearDem Jan 2014 #33

I would be willing to bet that NSA is closely monitoring many of the people who ... spin Jan 2014 #42

Oh, don't stop there! MrMickeysMom Jan 2014 #68

True. (n/t) spin Jan 2014 #78

Even in da 60s, when you went to the next demonstration, the joke was Eleanors38 Jan 2014 #145

And they should be banned for their blatant fascist rhetoric...occupy was brutalized and still hunte Drew Richards Jan 2014 #45

K&R ReRe Jan 2014 #49

Not hyperbole. But perhaps if the issue is whether it's been killed, perhaps it wasn't meant to stay ancianita Jan 2014 #57

Great Points All !!! WillyT Jan 2014 #58

Before Occupy began, the national conversation was about how merrily Jan 2014 #90

+ 1,000,000,000... What You Said !!! WillyT Jan 2014 #93

Agreed.Occupy isn't dead at all.It taught millions, and the changes you outline can't be overlooked. ancianita Jan 2014 #97

As this thread points out well, some of the lies come from Democrats. merrily Jan 2014 #99

In hashing out the significance of OWS, differing rhetoric and understandings don't constitute lies. ancianita Jan 2014 #102

Very true. merrily Jan 2014 #103

NOW you're talking sellout. Or sarcasm? I'm talking about making effort in unity of understanding, ancianita Jan 2014 #107

Neither sell out nor sarcasm. merrily Jan 2014 #110

Ah. Thanks for the clarification. Fair points. I think and act the same way about differences. ancianita Jan 2014 #113

You're welcome. And thank you for your thoughts. merrily Jan 2014 #114

OWS is not 3rd way corporate centrist Dem friendly. L0oniX Jan 2014 #128

+ another Scuba Jan 2014 #117

I agree. n/t lumberjack_jeff Jan 2014 #126

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"The brutal takedown" presumes the various responses to Occupy were one-and-the-same action struggle4progress Jan 2014 #91

No, it hasn't... brooklynite Jan 2014 #92

Parsing... Try THIS On For Size: WillyT Jan 2014 #94

Perhaps...now show me where DU has described the Police response to Occupy as Hyperbole brooklynite Jan 2014 #95

Not DU... But Go Here: WillyT Jan 2014 #96

Quoting the OP: "It has been said HERE...." brooklynite Jan 2014 #98

Ok Fine... You Look At ThOSE Pictures, And Argue Semantics Instead Of Humanity ??? WillyT Jan 2014 #100

Chicken shit couch monkey Anti Justice Movement corporatist weenbags say that about every group Zorra Jan 2014 #104

Yep... Good Thing They Weren't Terrorists... They Might Have REALLY Gotten Their Asses Kicked... WillyT Jan 2014 #106

I was involved in Occupy and saw some bad stuff done by the "authorities." U4ikLefty Jan 2014 #108

Thank You... And Thank You For That Info !!! WillyT Jan 2014 #109

Well my work outs included a good guessing of routes nadinbrzezinski Jan 2014 #134

This message was self-deleted by its author Hissyspit Jan 2014 #112

Kicked and recommended a whole bunch. Enthusiast Jan 2014 #118

"Non-violent" protests are a misnomer. In actuality, they are roughly half as violent. lumberjack_jeff Jan 2014 #125

FBI talked about SHOOTING people with a contractor like MURDER was business-as-usual. Octafish Jan 2014 #129

K&R Kurovski Jan 2014 #141

Something is very wrong when citizens who protest injustice... Octafish Jan 2014 #142

Thanks, WillyT. This is why they brutalized peaceful Occupy protesters: Zorra Jan 2014 #130

That should be an OP. Octafish Jan 2014 #143

The people who wrote it are us. Zorra Jan 2014 #144

Common Willy T, they were after all in the way of the bankers limo's... arthritisR_US Jan 2014 #140

May I offer a poem? "Tense, Quiet Interlude:" Eleanors38 Jan 2014 #148