Why "fun feminism" should be consigned to the rubbish bin

[seabeyond]

259. when you have an increase

in cosmetic surgery for said boobage of 500% that is worrisome. i read a study where "7.3% of the women admitted to having participated in "multi-person sex," 52% reported being pressured, and 43% reported being threatened or forced. The average age for first encounters with group sex is 15.6 years of age." http://www.speroforum.com/a/OMJAWVTVPH29/65717-Appalling-report-on-teenage-group-sex

walker has shifted her position:We have arranged to meet to talk about her new book, Living Dolls: The Return of Sexism. It is organised in two distinct parts, and the first finds Walter ­taking a journey through the seedy underbelly of modern culture, an ­excursion that starts, in faintly ­surreal fashion, at a "Babes on the Bed" ­competition in a Southend nightclub, a contest to find a glamour model for Nuts magazine. It's difficult to ­imagine anyone more ­incongruous here than the intellectual, refined Walter; ­especially when the DJ starts ­shouting, "This is Cara Brett! She's on the cover of Nuts this week! So buy her, take her home and have a wank." The ­uncomfortable scene grows uglier as a series of young women take to a bed and strip off their bras to "joggle" their breasts before a throng of men.

The journey continues through interviews with a former lap dancer called Ellie, who helps illustrate just how sexist the culture has ­become: "Now," says ­Ellie, "women get told they are prudes if they say they don't want their boyfriend to go to a club where he gets to stick his fingers in someone else's vagina." She interviews a woman she calls Angela, who, in ­describing her work as a prostitute, says that "basically you've consented to being raped sometimes for money". And then there's pornography addict Jim, who says that "porn is way more brutalising than it used to be. There is this unbelievable obsession with [extreme] anal sex . . . It's far more demeaning to women than in the past."
http://www.guardian.co.uk/lifeandstyle/2010/jan/25/natasha-walter-feminism-sexism-return

the point is, we have to be flexible and be able to recognize when we are not doing so well an address it. not pretend it does not exist.

i think more and more people, women in the 3rd wave, are recognizing this. and addressing it. i think that is a responsibility that we have. just like you dont throw out the baby in the bath water in the 2nd wave, you dont with the third. but you definitely recognize there is dirty water and get rid of that. that is part of progression.

but then, this would be a difference in the core of 2nd and 3rd. 2nd would look at the effects of the whole, and 3rd would look at self. 3rd has to see it as a whole, too. both our young boys and girls are a part of this experiment. and it is about their health.

i can only look at it from the personal, where i see the reality of it. and like i tell kids and niece and nephews. the niece that is oldest, in her low 20's got more into the individual mentality and it has effected her and her life. now, with two babies and different fathers, and first divorce, she is seeing a lot fo missteps and has adjusted her thinking. started looking from a bigger picture. but the younger kids have watched those in their twenties and they have seen a lot of the mess in what is happening today. with all the new of the net and social network and instant and self gratification and thought. they at least have an example to see what can happen. and what i am seeing with these kids is a shift in their thinking. i have also read studies on it.

i agree with your post. but i dont have to take all of an article and all of who the person who wrote the article to not see a value in what she is saying either. that is all the OP is.

i know how busy you are. glad you were able to come back in and post. this thread has given me so much to think about from a number of poster, and that i appreciate and value. next OP i am seeing a need to go in a different direction because of the info in the thread from those that took the time to actually have a discussion. wonderful stuff.