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Showing Original Post only (View all)Unfortunately, I find myself in agreement with Rand Paul today. [View all]
I [font size=3]HATE[/font] that the lack of leadership from the Democratic Party on this issue forces me into a position that is consistent with someone like Rand Fucking Asshole Paul,
and in opposition to the Democratic Party Leadership,
but there it is.
I am absolutely disgusted.
Sen. Rand Paul, R-Ky., on President Obama's NSA surveillance reform speech:
'While I am encouraged the President is addressing the NSA spying program because of pressure from Congress and the American people, I am disappointed in the details. The 4th Amendment requires an individualized warrant based on probable cause before the government can search phone records and e-mails' - via @NBCNews
http://www.breakingnews.com/topic/obama-nsa-reform-proposals/
'While I am encouraged the President is addressing the NSA spying program because of pressure from Congress and the American people, I am disappointed in the details. The 4th Amendment requires an individualized warrant based on probable cause before the government can search phone records and e-mails' - via @NBCNews
http://www.breakingnews.com/topic/obama-nsa-reform-proposals/
[font size=3]Principle before Party[/font]
I also agree with Joe Biden, pre-2008:
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Rampant Government Secrecy and Democracy can not co-exist.
Persecution of Whistle Blowers and Democracy can not co-exist.
Government surveillance of the citizenry and Democracy can not co-exist.
Secret Laws and Democracy can not co-exist.
Secret Courts and Democracy can not-co-exist.
Our Democracy depends on an informed electorate.
You either believe in Democracy,
or you don't.
It IS that simple.
Rampant Government Secrecy and Democracy can not co-exist.
Persecution of Whistle Blowers and Democracy can not co-exist.
Government surveillance of the citizenry and Democracy can not co-exist.
Secret Laws and Democracy can not co-exist.
Secret Courts and Democracy can not-co-exist.
Our Democracy depends on an informed electorate.
You either believe in Democracy,
or you don't.
It IS that simple.



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Very bad job actually, if the purpose was to show 'inconsistency'. Good job if it was to show
sabrina 1
Jan 2014
#102
Can't someone just actually feel vomit rising to even be subjected to Rand Paul praise?
VanillaRhapsody
Jan 2014
#135
The same mental process is at work whether one hero worships a public figure no matter how
GoneFishin
Jan 2014
#146
I see no inconsistency there. Thanks for the link. He is for the rule of law, and is consistent
sabrina 1
Jan 2014
#100
That wasn't the topic, I'll be happy to veer off to another issue when we resolve the one you
sabrina 1
Jan 2014
#105
Topic "rule of law" and "consistency" Relevant: droning a liquor store robber n/t
ProSense
Jan 2014
#108
Topic rule of law: Stay on topic and if you have answers to questions about your claims, provide
sabrina 1
Jan 2014
#109
Is Rand Paul being consistent in support of killing a liquor store robber with a drone? n/t
ProSense
Jan 2014
#111
You didn't use that to prove inconsistency. You used a link directly related to the topic under
sabrina 1
Jan 2014
#116
I asked the question regarding the link you used to prove, something. I'm not in the habit
sabrina 1
Jan 2014
#120
The US Constitution is the Law of the Land. If you run for elected office you take an oath to
sabrina 1
Jan 2014
#129
"The US Constitution is the Law of the Land." Is Citizens United a "law of the land"?
ProSense
Jan 2014
#131
Wow, I could not agree with Prosense on this. That was MY position also, and still is of course
sabrina 1
Jan 2014
#113
Was Joe Biden being 'fundamental' when he made that statement about the Constitution, secret laws
sabrina 1
Jan 2014
#118
What do you think of Biden's statement about Constitutional rights. He appears to agree with Paul?
sabrina 1
Jan 2014
#121
What do you think of Biden agreeing with Paul? Do you disagree with Biden's statement?
sabrina 1
Jan 2014
#124
Excellent post, bvar. Shameful to see what is going on here on this forum. I came here BECAUSE
sabrina 1
Jan 2014
#126
I have never been tempted to visit the Bog that I recall. I am interested in discussion of the
sabrina 1
Jan 2014
#142
Liking or not liking an individual is not at issue. I can like someone and disagree with them.
sabrina 1
Jan 2014
#144
You also probably agree with launching an initiative to combat AIDS in Africa,
Maedhros
Jan 2014
#56
Anyone who says "whatever (person X) believes, I believe the opposite" is an idiot.
Nye Bevan
Jan 2014
#66
If you find yourself uncomfortable with agreeing with Paul, there are plenty
totodeinhere
Jan 2014
#73
Same goes for those who agree with some words by the Pope, plenty of others
Bluenorthwest
Jan 2014
#114
I agree with you about the Pope although it may be off topic for this thread.
totodeinhere
Jan 2014
#149