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rhett o rick

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139. LOL if you like, the rudeness doesnt bother me.

Fri Jan 17, 2014, 02:50 PM

Jan 2014

Refuting A doesnt have anything to do with the discussion. It's simply a poor attempt at distraction. She and you are trying to change the discussion from the TPP to refuting some small part of the argument against.

If a witness saw a man rob a store and gave a description of the man and someone else points out that the description wasnt 100% accurate, it does not mean the store wasnt robbed.

The following are the issues that need to be refuted.

The TPP is being written/negotiated in secret.

It appears that corporations are strongly influencing the agreement.

It appears that TPP may have a significant impact on American jobs.

The administration is definitely trying to "fast-track" this agreement thru Congress.

The conservatives have come out in favor of this agreement.

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100% corporate. 100%. All of the advisors to the admin on upcoming trade deals. [View all] cali Jan 2014 OP

It says... Atman Jan 2014 #1

yep. among other things. cali Jan 2014 #2

It's corporatist to the core, and has been since day one. jsr Jan 2014 #7

It says the corporations are getting their money's worth Trailrider1951 Jan 2014 #3

Reminds me of the ACA negotiations? Fumesucker Jan 2014 #4

Right down to Baucus running the show for the Democrats. bullwinkle428 Jan 2014 #20

And there's still time to have some people arrested! solarhydrocan Jan 2014 #30

Precisely...............nt Enthusiast Jan 2014 #98

Corporations rule the earth. jsr Jan 2014 #5

In with a K&R.....before spin control arrives. marmar Jan 2014 #6

It says that we have the best government corporations can buy! B Calm Jan 2014 #8

Exactly. polichick Jan 2014 #22

In the hierarchy of entities, artificial ones trump natural ones. --nt CrispyQ Jan 2014 #9

Where ProSense Jan 2014 #10

fail. do you even read your own links? cali Jan 2014 #12

LOL! No links of your own? ProSense Jan 2014 #23

Did you read her links? Because I see stuff there that refutes your OP. 100%. phleshdef Jan 2014 #32

Of course I read her links. NOTHING THERE REFUTES MY CLAIM cali Jan 2014 #34

Bullshit. phleshdef Jan 2014 #35

bullshit back at you.l cali Jan 2014 #38

I did look at the advisory members. phleshdef Jan 2014 #41

No employees' union representation here. JDPriestly Jan 2014 #42

So are you defending the "fast tracking" of the TPP? nm rhett o rick Jan 2014 #90

She is refuting a bogus claim. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2014 #131

She didnt rufute anything. She was merely pointing out that the OP may have rhett o rick Jan 2014 #137

LOL ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2014 #138

LOL if you like, the rudeness doesnt bother me. rhett o rick Jan 2014 #139

Rudeness? So sensitive, such the victim ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2014 #141

Again you try to deflect from the original discussion. I can see it's impossible to get you rhett o rick Jan 2014 #142

No ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2014 #143

Why are you reluctant to explain why you support the TPP? nm rhett o rick Jan 2014 #144

I don't know enough about it to express support or opposition ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2014 #145

Interesting that none of those that disparage the opposition to the agreement will actually rhett o rick Jan 2014 #146

In your opinion ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2014 #147

You seem to want to argue about anything except the actual TPP. nm rhett o rick Jan 2014 #148

Okay ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2014 #149

Sorry, but Krusty dont play that game. nm rhett o rick Jan 2014 #150

Just admit you were wrong ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2014 #152

Excuse me ...I voted for someone with a (D) behind their name. L0oniX Jan 2014 #11

Yes, I think they do need us PowerToThePeople Jan 2014 #39

Agreed, this tent has gotten way too big Broward Jan 2014 #86

"They need purged from the party". jtuck004 Jan 2014 #95

What are we going to do about it? nt ChisolmTrailDem Jan 2014 #13

We are going to reelect them even when they promise to do it again. nt Demo_Chris Jan 2014 #14

We do that every election. RC Jan 2014 #15

It's what we do so we can feel like we are making a difference. nt Demo_Chris Jan 2014 #19

I walk to my voting place and back. RC Jan 2014 #21

Post more unsubstantiated claims. ProSense Jan 2014 #24

Provocative comment, PS. Do you want it stopped? nt ChisolmTrailDem Jan 2014 #25

If it's going to destroy the country, yes. ProSense Jan 2014 #28

"proposing measures to create jobs and fight poverty" TBF Jan 2014 #59

Comment makes no sense. n/t ProSense Jan 2014 #62

lol - to you it wouldn't. TBF Jan 2014 #63

Look ProSense Jan 2014 #64

Answer the questions: TBF Jan 2014 #70

You know ProSense Jan 2014 #72

Just as I expected - TBF Jan 2014 #74

LOL! ProSense Jan 2014 #76

It's not invisible, it just doesn't say anything tkmorris Jan 2014 #78

What you mean ProSense Jan 2014 #80

It's all talk. JDPriestly Jan 2014 #87

Gee, ProSense Jan 2014 #89

+ a shit load......nt Enthusiast Jan 2014 #101

Every link goes back to Cali's OP - TBF Jan 2014 #88

+1 a significant amount! Enthusiast Jan 2014 #100

We should be imposing more tariffs on goods from China. JDPriestly Jan 2014 #85

That is exactly right. We should enact more tariffs on goods from China. Enthusiast Jan 2014 #102

Wrong! That comment makes perfect sense. Enthusiast Jan 2014 #99

Exactly! ctsnowman Jan 2014 #126

Please read my post # 42 in response to your post. JDPriestly Jan 2014 #43

I read it, and ProSense Jan 2014 #53

I find it interesting that some here, when backed into a corner, resort to the ridicule emoticon. rhett o rick Jan 2014 #79

What's ProSense Jan 2014 #81

Your play at naivete is "interesting". nm rhett o rick Jan 2014 #83

LOL! ProSense Jan 2014 #84

Interesting? It's downright pathetic. Enthusiast Jan 2014 #103

But it's what we have to fight against. The belief that a "good" authoritarian god rhett o rick Jan 2014 #108

I think conservative Democrats Enthusiast Jan 2014 #125

You know what's "pathetic" ProSense Jan 2014 #111

I am curious why you support this secret trade agreement? rhett o rick Jan 2014 #140

Picture diary coming in 3 - 2 - 1 ... blkmusclmachine Jan 2014 #113

Shameful. Brickbat Jan 2014 #16

11 dimensions of deception. blkmusclmachine Jan 2014 #115

Too much.... daleanime Jan 2014 #17

So once more... davidthegnome Jan 2014 #18

One Way Out And It Is Not The "Third Way" colsohlibgal Jan 2014 #26

It says that corporations rule the US as well as the world. City Lights Jan 2014 #27

UGH MoonRiver Jan 2014 #29

It says actions speak louder than words SHRED Jan 2014 #31

It says nothing because it isn't true. phleshdef Jan 2014 #33

LIE blkmusclmachine Jan 2014 #116

Here are Prosense's links that she falsely claims refutes my op: cali Jan 2014 #36

Sorry, but Prosense is right. subterranean Jan 2014 #40

Add up the environmental and trade union and consumer representatives and they are JDPriestly Jan 2014 #44

Trade and good labor policy are not mutually exclusive. The experience of progressive pampango Jan 2014 #47

Tell that to President Obama. JDPriestly Jan 2014 #49

Trade is good for everyone, if (IF) you have a progressive tax policy, legal support for unions and pampango Jan 2014 #54

A "service" economy means most jobs are "service" jobs. JDPriestly Jan 2014 #58

Service jobs are not interchangeable. Plumbers, mechanics, lawyers, engineers. There are so many pampango Jan 2014 #65

You can impose tariffs on imports. JDPriestly Jan 2014 #92

No we can't. FDR made it very difficult for countries to unilaterally impose tariffs. pampango Jan 2014 #93

Thanks for shedding light on this treestar Jan 2014 #136

Give it up. ProSense Jan 2014 #50

Why bother? When confronted with facts, you refuse to read them and play the ad hominem card. Egalitarian Thug Jan 2014 #55

You apparently believe saying anything makes it so. n/t ProSense Jan 2014 #56

Yeah, cause HUD "hates teh President" and is just trying to make him look bad. n/t Egalitarian Thug Jan 2014 #57

WTF does HUD have to do with the OP? ProSense Jan 2014 #60

Just the most recent example of your condition. Egalitarian Thug Jan 2014 #66

Again, what the hell does HUD have to do with this thread? ProSense Jan 2014 #67

Kicky-poo. Egalitarian Thug Jan 2014 #68

I think we will next see phase C. Phase A is baffle 'em with links. Phase B is use every logical rhett o rick Jan 2014 #110

I've found the devolution from true believer, to hack, to parody to be fascinating. Egalitarian Thug Jan 2014 #123

and of course bobduca Jan 2014 #151

How sad that you consider that it's a positive that she refutes that we are going to get 20 lashes rhett o rick Jan 2014 #109

As if that inaccuracy level completely disproves the OP and the likely consequence of their work?nt ancianita Jan 2014 #121

Rather than arguing against the obvious ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2014 #133

Agreed. subterranean Jan 2014 #135

The 'father of capitalism' though this sort of thing was a bad idea... JHB Jan 2014 #37

Yeah. Surprised? The lockout has been going on for decades librechik Jan 2014 #45

The Democratic Party was co-opted some time ago. That explains their fetish with "bipartisanship," blkmusclmachine Jan 2014 #117

Exactly the same thing it has said for over five years now. Thanks for the vote, sucker. - GSA Egalitarian Thug Jan 2014 #46

Maybe not even "Thanks for the vote" polichick Jan 2014 #52

That says all that needs to be said. Autumn Jan 2014 #48

USCA, United States of Corporate America n/t PowerToThePeople Jan 2014 #51

TPP MUST be defeated - TBF Jan 2014 #61

Yeah, I'm sure BHO will change horses mid-race. blkmusclmachine Jan 2014 #118

He's doing the job he was hired to do - TBF Jan 2014 #128

AT THE CONCLUSION OF NEGOTIATIONS THE NAMED ARE INVITED TO COMMENT. djean111 Jan 2014 #69

"It's just business - nothing personal" nt TBF Jan 2014 #71

Yep. So is my vote. djean111 Jan 2014 #73

... TBF Jan 2014 #75

when they claim transparency... ReasonableToo Jan 2014 #77

How very fascist. nt stillwaiting Jan 2014 #82

That's a word that more people should start using. polichick Jan 2014 #91

It tells me Obama is a corporatist trojan horse lark Jan 2014 #94

+1 blkmusclmachine Jan 2014 #119

"What does that say?" It says something very ugly about Enthusiast Jan 2014 #96

Chris Christie sulphurdunn Jan 2014 #97

I hope he's not in charge of bridges. nt TBF Jan 2014 #104

Naw, just road cone policy. sulphurdunn Jan 2014 #106

This shouldn't be a surprise... awoke_in_2003 Jan 2014 #105

Smoke and mirrors. blkmusclmachine Jan 2014 #120

k and r senseandsensibility Jan 2014 #107

HOPE! blkmusclmachine Jan 2014 #112

Sort of like the advisors on the ACA. Nobody but the insurance companies Cleita Jan 2014 #114

K&R woo me with science Jan 2014 #122

It says: DeSwiss Jan 2014 #124

Fascism. nt valerief Jan 2014 #127

I see the usual shills are here defending the indefensible. nt GoneFishin Jan 2014 #129

The DU Globalists always appear in these kind of threads. B Calm Jan 2014 #153

President Obama is bought and paid for by the PTB. n/t Hotler Jan 2014 #130

I'm stunned; absolutely numb from shock. nt Zorra Jan 2014 #132

It says that the government is captured by corporations blackspade Jan 2014 #134