General Discussion

mindwalker_i

(4,407 posts)

149. "False strawman"?

Fri Jan 17, 2014, 07:03 PM

Jan 2014

I seems like this is the preferred method to brush aside arguments against anything Obama is doing. I've also seen "ODS" used all over the fringgin' place, like to anyone who isn't gushing over Obama saying he would like to see the NSA get warrents before querying the already-collected data about everyone.

I uess my problem is this: I have these opinions about what is good or what is bad for this country or democracy, and I judge leaders' actions based on what they are doing or propose to do, and whether that would help or hurt the country. Especially with the arguments about spying, there are people who support Obama no matter what. That's similar to religious people who support their church and priest or other official no matter what kids are getting raped.

Edit history

Please sign in to view edit histories.

Recommendations

0 members have recommended this reply (displayed in chronological order):

372 replies

= new reply since forum marked as read

Highlight:

the people who defended the NSA most vociferously, are those [View all] cali Jan 2014 OP

And awaaaay we gooooooo! Fumesucker Jan 2014 #1

. Glassunion Jan 2014 #40

.. tjwash Jan 2014 #161

There ProSense Jan 2014 #2

I want to see what the "reforms" turn out to be. JDPriestly Jan 2014 #32

Here's a ProSense Jan 2014 #37

We really need your hourly posts again. This time how well the Presidents doing to rein in the NSA Katashi_itto Jan 2014 #54

Almost as much as we need Bobbie Jo Jan 2014 #70

It's fascinating how you show up Aerows Jan 2014 #80

Well Said! Katashi_itto Jan 2014 #92

:) Aerows Jan 2014 #96

lol Bobbie Jo Jan 2014 #104

Adults are talking Aerows Jan 2014 #110

Right... Bobbie Jo Jan 2014 #117

Then don't take on responsibilities Aerows Jan 2014 #119

Who the everloving fuck Bobbie Jo Jan 2014 #123

Hi Aerows Jan 2014 #124

Yeah Bobbie Jo Jan 2014 #128

Who said I was looking for yours? Aerows Jan 2014 #132

Nah. Bobbie Jo Jan 2014 #138

LOL! n/t Aerows Jan 2014 #140

Meow.... Bobbie Jo Jan 2014 #100

You are so intensely cool Aerows Jan 2014 #111

Beyond tacky. Bringing stuff from other threads to slam people Number23 Jan 2014 #185

I love Australia Aerows Jan 2014 #188

Hope you've got lots and lots of Bactine around. Number23 Jan 2014 #192

I'm under the influence of rabies shots Aerows Jan 2014 #194

Damn. That explains a lot Number23 Jan 2014 #197

Nobody wants the battery of shots Aerows Jan 2014 #198

In case you were wondering, I'm on number 3 Aerows Jan 2014 #203

Are the rabies shot going to be your excuse for all of the personal attacks you've launched in this Number23 Jan 2014 #206

I think you get sensitive for a whole lot more reasons Aerows Jan 2014 #207

That is all he knows how to do, ignore him. Rex Jan 2014 #276

23 is a she... Bobbie Jo Jan 2014 #295

Of course she does...just like you and your crew. Rex Jan 2014 #297

Yadda yadda.... Bobbie Jo Jan 2014 #298

Yeah that about the best you can do with conversation, we all know thanks. Rex Jan 2014 #299

Pure idiocy. nt Bobbie Jo Jan 2014 #301

Pure projection. nt. Rex Jan 2014 #303

Indeed. nt Bobbie Jo Jan 2014 #309

I'm glad to see you agree about your post. Rex Jan 2014 #310

. Bobbie Jo Jan 2014 #311

How completely unoriginal and typical. Rex Jan 2014 #314

Oh look Aerows Jan 2014 #321

Shovel dude... LOL Number23 Jan 2014 #339

Irony. The person who follows me like a lost puppy from thread to thread Number23 Jan 2014 #338

is this the raccoon thing? arely staircase Jan 2014 #334

I don't know what bit her. But she keeps posting about it so I'm sure it will be easy enough to find Number23 Jan 2014 #341

Paul Revere was a rebel, Ghost Dog Jan 2014 #240

Were you the one to defend Bush during his tenure? Aerows Jan 2014 #79

Good grief ProSense Jan 2014 #87

Oh, PR person got angry Aerows Jan 2014 #88

Oh, ProSense Jan 2014 #131

It truly is hilarious Aerows Jan 2014 #144

Good to know others see this obsessive compulsive Titonwan Jan 2014 #182

We'll have to wait and see sulphurdunn Jan 2014 #262

I'm not stupidicus Jan 2014 #264

"What's curious is how angry people are that reforms are being made." Titonwan Jan 2014 #205

You know what ProSense Jan 2014 #208

Post removed Post removed Jan 2014 #211

Good post Titonwan LiberalLovinLug Jan 2014 #271

. Ghost Dog Jan 2014 #319

Why did we need reforms of something we were told everyone knew for centuries and were no problem sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #228

This is ineffably well put, sabrina_1. Ghost Dog Jan 2014 #256

Worshiping at the alter of Consistency is a foolish game. randome Jan 2014 #258

Indeed. Look in the mirror, my friend. n/t Aerows Jan 2014 #313

And just what reforms are needed? treestar Jan 2014 #326

Any day that you wake up and think "all is perfect" Aerows Jan 2014 #331

But what ideally is to be done with the NSA? treestar Jan 2014 #342

Get rid of all the Republicans, which should have happened five years ago. That's why we elect sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #358

you would apply full criminal law standards for warrants to national security? treestar Jan 2014 #362

only a politically naive fool would think obama is reining anything in... tomp Jan 2014 #239

So who do you trust in government? The Wielding Truth Jan 2014 #270

Who do you trust in government, honest question? n/t Aerows Jan 2014 #349

The contortions were amazing, weren't they? LondonReign2 Jan 2014 #3

What I haven't seen is any of them Union Scribe Jan 2014 #4

wasn't anything wrong? lol. Whisp Jan 2014 #146

HILLARY! HILLARY!! Skittles Jan 2014 #167

I know. It's so cute when she spies. Whisp Jan 2014 #168

more cuter when you deflect! Skittles Jan 2014 #169

topic: NSA / spying Whisp Jan 2014 #172

You and I are friends, dude Aerows Jan 2014 #190

lookie here: Whisp Jan 2014 #209

... Cables containing the guidance were sent in 2008 and 2009 ... "No one ever reads struggle4progress Jan 2014 #237

Critical thinking scares a lot of people who resist change like it was a disease. Rex Jan 2014 #300

There's always room for reforms. MineralMan Jan 2014 #5

I think your OP shoud be posted to this other DU thread. JoePhilly Jan 2014 #6

... Wait Wut Jan 2014 #8

How so? oldhippie Jan 2014 #33

I'm not sure that using the word 'pathetic' ... brett_jv Jan 2014 #50

+1 JoePhilly Jan 2014 #51

I think it is quite a stretch to .... oldhippie Jan 2014 #55

How about "mentally disturbing"? JoePhilly Jan 2014 #60

Can you define "false strawman"? mindwalker_i Jan 2014 #64

Sure. Its a set of lies, bundled together to create a false argument. JoePhilly Jan 2014 #71

So a "false strawman" refers just to arguments mindwalker_i Jan 2014 #126

Binary is all some do here. Rex Jan 2014 #135

Snort Egnever Jan 2014 #162

Like I was saying...and here comes one to reply to me. Rex Jan 2014 #278

that's one of the code phrases Skittles Jan 2014 #108

"False strawman"? mindwalker_i Jan 2014 #149

Keep kicking ass Aerows Jan 2014 #320

I think what you are failing to grasp .... oldhippie Jan 2014 #76

Same thing used on Digg and Reddit during the Bush years Aerows Jan 2014 #85

Yea, no one buys that. JoePhilly Jan 2014 #152

"Referring to DU members...." oldhippie Jan 2014 #153

Absolutely. The OP is not doing that. JoePhilly Jan 2014 #155

Mocking is an equal opportunity behavior, ideas and individuals both Fumesucker Jan 2014 #175

You are wise Aerows Jan 2014 #193

They actually do Aerows Jan 2014 #164

+1 n/t FSogol Jan 2014 #74

A clear example of how ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2014 #7

Awe come on ... JoePhilly Jan 2014 #59

My bad ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2014 #91

I'm just waiting for them to turn on Him entirely (come '15 or '17) MisterP Jan 2014 #9

Unlikely Demeter Jan 2014 #266

For some, he's a poster boy Aerows Jan 2014 #333

this makes me miss meta nt geek tragedy Jan 2014 #10

The people who screamed most loudly frazzled Jan 2014 #11

Yes, but which cult? nt kelliekat44 Jan 2014 #13

Well, it wasn't about Snowden, and yes, he's been vindicated. At least in part. Orsino Jan 2014 #18

Saying "he's vindicated" is nothing like saying "It's all about Snowden" MNBrewer Jan 2014 #97

Boxes. Garage Aerows Jan 2014 #102

Pole Dancer!!!!! Autumn Jan 2014 #112

It's to the point of hilarious Aerows Jan 2014 #116

Are you feeling better after your ordeal? Autumn Jan 2014 #120

I've quit taking the antibiotics because they made me sick as a dog Aerows Jan 2014 #121

Ballerina deserter! sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #231

Agreed, this cult like mindset is dangerous for democracy. Broward Jan 2014 #12

Let's just be glad they didn't find a Chris Christie to love first. nt Zorra Jan 2014 #14

OMG LOL L0oniX Jan 2014 #275

It's interesting that you began a new thread to call out MineralMan Jan 2014 #15

So when you choose to take to GD Union Scribe Jan 2014 #20

Not my thread. My distaste for Rand Paul and his Father MineralMan Jan 2014 #29

Are you saying you never started a thread calling out a DUer? sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #233

That's interesting. Airc, you have started threads of your own to call out DUers you disagreed with. sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #232

He got caught with his hand in the cookie jar. NCTraveler Jan 2014 #16

Aint that the truth K&R n/t whatchamacallit Jan 2014 #17

This message was self-deleted by its author Vattel Jan 2014 #19

Oh, you're back...nt SidDithers Jan 2014 #21

Oh Puglover Jan 2014 #58

lol Love it. ctsnowman Jan 2014 #202

ROFL! NealK Jan 2014 #212

+100! Scootaloo Jan 2014 #215

Lol! sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #234

^^^this^^^ L0oniX Jan 2014 #277

+zillion. Rex Jan 2014 #282

That one's posts, deserve nothing but ridicule. n/t ronnie624 Jan 2014 #288

LOL! SMC22307 Jan 2014 #307

LOL n/t Aerows Jan 2014 #348

Is there a list of nefarious NSA supporters? abelenkpe Jan 2014 #22

They are very obvious. former9thward Jan 2014 #24

Post removed Post removed Jan 2014 #184

Interesting that you joined in '08, but half your nasty posts have been in the last 90 days Hekate Jan 2014 #219

wat NuclearDem Jan 2014 #221

Being a stripper for a girlfriend Ghost Dog Jan 2014 #323

Sure, it is available for $69.99 from some contractor spin off, nothing they have is private, right TheKentuckian Jan 2014 #27

It's the spectacular nature of some of the twists of logic that make them so memorable Fumesucker Jan 2014 #31

Question that this is not the end of the world treestar Jan 2014 #46

+1 n/t FSogol Jan 2014 #73

+many jberryhill Jan 2014 #156

I don't recall anyone saying this was the 'end of the world' Titonwan Jan 2014 #189

DU is full of end of the world posts treestar Jan 2014 #196

Uhm, no. Titonwan Jan 2014 #204

You must not be reading much on DU treestar Jan 2014 #243

That one likes to tell people, year after year to WAIT for the right Rex Jan 2014 #285

What's real change? treestar Jan 2014 #324

Their use of "Pootie-Poot" is supposedly clever, too. SMC22307 Jan 2014 #316

Yeah about as lame as someone telling you year after year Rex Jan 2014 #283

Obviously I meant to track the hyperbole treestar Jan 2014 #325

They are the posters making illogical claims and personal insults bobduca Jan 2014 #160

No, it's a caricature. joshcryer Jan 2014 #222

James Clapper weighs in. QuestForSense Jan 2014 #23

So did ProSense Jan 2014 #25

Well if Clapper says so... whatchamacallit Jan 2014 #26

Clapper would never lie to us! sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #235

The Clapper can tell no lies jsr Jan 2014 #28

He can make erroneous statements... VanillaRhapsody Jan 2014 #35

He can be a poor manager that doesn't have a clue what his agency is actually doing Fumesucker Jan 2014 #38

He seemed to know everything else....he mispoke on one statement VanillaRhapsody Jan 2014 #39

Is he your uncle or something? I just don't get the fronting for a Republican liar. DisgustipatedinCA Jan 2014 #57

Really you don't? Rex Jan 2014 #66

and you know what they say about opinions... VanillaRhapsody Jan 2014 #68

They? Rex Jan 2014 #75

Is he your ex or something? VanillaRhapsody Jan 2014 #67

PR failure Aerows Jan 2014 #106

back at ya "dumpling" VanillaRhapsody Jan 2014 #109

LMAO! n/t Aerows Jan 2014 #113

Well I am sure Clapper would have to approve. zeemike Jan 2014 #44

lol. Whisp Jan 2014 #30

NO that was YOUR position on THEM VanillaRhapsody Jan 2014 #34

You are absolutely correct. And if the president had said that he was not reining in the NSA totodeinhere Jan 2014 #36

Agreed, can they really not see that? It boggles the mind. Broward Jan 2014 #41

Indeed. He could say that he was completely eliminating the NSA LondonReign2 Jan 2014 #95

Obviously what he says and does are not the same. L0oniX Jan 2014 #280

Oh, you poor thing. nt DevonRex Jan 2014 #42

it was the same thing with syria.. frylock Jan 2014 #43

They are tripping over their dicks, now Aerows Jan 2014 #93

It's pathetic to hang onto hatred of a politician treestar Jan 2014 #45

You know what's so overused that it is dull and damaging? Refering to any criticism as hate. Bluenorthwest Jan 2014 #122

lol white? Obama is black. treestar Jan 2014 #195

You're a woman, so you know being hated? SMC22307 Jan 2014 #315

You know self-pity for sure. DisgustipatedinCA Jan 2014 #364

Sigh. More absurd reductionist arguments. JaneyVee Jan 2014 #47

I noticed that. nt grasswire Jan 2014 #48

The problem is loyalty. ZombieHorde Jan 2014 #49

Wow. Excellent. oldhippie Jan 2014 #151

Yes, it's original. ZombieHorde Jan 2014 #157

Good catch, Cali! n/t markpkessinger Jan 2014 #52

"It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society." - Jiddu Krishnamurti Egalitarian Thug Jan 2014 #53

Dead-on nailed it, Cali. DisgustipatedinCA Jan 2014 #56

This message was self-deleted by its author LanternWaste Jan 2014 #61

Hear Hear !!! WillyT Jan 2014 #62

It's called PROPAGANDA, woo me with science Jan 2014 #63

Yes you've nailed it. It is called Propaganda. truedelphi Jan 2014 #226

political porn albino65 Jan 2014 #65

Isn't the opposite true? Those that wanted the President to do something FSogol Jan 2014 #69

Yea, but Putin made him rein it in. JoePhilly Jan 2014 #72

Absolutely. Drunken Irishman Jan 2014 #82

This would not be the first speech given by Obama Maedhros Jan 2014 #84

I think you'll find . . . markpkessinger Jan 2014 #86

Is anyone in this thread discussing ... JoePhilly Jan 2014 #154

Pretty much. Sometime you can't win Johonny Jan 2014 #99

Yup. great white snark Jan 2014 #107

Is it? quakerboy Jan 2014 #174

No people are pointing out the hypocrisy Puglover Jan 2014 #241

It's like a glass of water in the desert. Aerows Jan 2014 #332

i think people have a problem with those who support the PRes more than actually caring JI7 Jan 2014 #199

He restored the 4th Amendment? Then I'm with him all the way! sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #236

No...what a ludicrous statement. DisgustipatedinCA Jan 2014 #365

That is why you have to take what they say with a large grain of salt. Rex Jan 2014 #77

You are teasing a bull, Cali Aerows Jan 2014 #78

I think you just might be right cali Autumn Jan 2014 #81

Exactly Aerows Jan 2014 #90

Part of the prolem, I think... davidthegnome Jan 2014 #83

Meltdown forthcoming Aerows Jan 2014 #89

It is pathetic LittleBlue Jan 2014 #94

Oh, they would Aerows Jan 2014 #98

Yeah there would be a few LittleBlue Jan 2014 #101

I don't know if they get embarrassed Aerows Jan 2014 #103

they are shameless bobduca Jan 2014 #291

Truly. QuestForSense Jan 2014 #115

are you just now figuring out the swooners, cali? Skittles Jan 2014 #105

Want me to kick them in the ass? Aerows Jan 2014 #114

honestly, ass kickings would not teach them anything Skittles Jan 2014 #130

Amen - Tiger Beat mentality Aerows Jan 2014 #136

Oh Tiger Beat. I loved that, Autumn Jan 2014 #139

One word Fumesucker Jan 2014 #145

? what is that supposed to mean Skittles Jan 2014 #165

The latter of course my dear ass kicking comrade Fumesucker Jan 2014 #176

aw man Skittles Jan 2014 #177

"The crew will snap to and present arms if the USS Inevitable should make port on the Potomac." SMC22307 Jan 2014 #317

That was priceless. n/t Aerows Jan 2014 #330

I'm still chuckling. :-) SMC22307 Jan 2014 #335

Some for Hillary, perhaps, but not to this degree IMO LondonReign2 Jan 2014 #245

Damn, you guys are way too kewl. ProSense Jan 2014 #143

The ROFL of Desperation LondonReign2 Jan 2014 #246

No. It's just improv to cover for a failed fax machine. DisgustipatedinCA Jan 2014 #265

Errrr eoooww errr Aerows Jan 2014 #322

. Ghost Dog Jan 2014 #337

PS Aerows Jan 2014 #137

SOP for that crowd. bvar22 Jan 2014 #148

I have most of them on Ignore because I fnd them pitiful Skittles Jan 2014 #166

It's crazy how the ignorables line up on all the republican issues bobduca Jan 2014 #171

I can't do the ignore. Titonwan Jan 2014 #186

aw you know I enjoy a good fight Skittles Jan 2014 #238

IMO, the real classification isn't republican issues LondonReign2 Jan 2014 #247

I agree, taking a nap. n/t Aerows Jan 2014 #180

You will find most of the control freaks have no real platform to stand on Rex Jan 2014 #287

Indeed. Aerows Jan 2014 #308

I'm so old, that I remember the days we actually had policy debates. Rex Jan 2014 #312

You're way too optimistic about them coming back to their senses. JVS Jan 2014 #274

Oh, how I love DU. Blue_In_AK Jan 2014 #118

Me too Aerows Jan 2014 #129

There was a thread on Tuesday Blue_In_AK Jan 2014 #141

Glad to hear it Aerows Jan 2014 #147

And they also said NSA acted legally and the only way to fix it was elect a better Congress. pa28 Jan 2014 #125

I think this needs to be bumped Aerows Jan 2014 #127

that is true Douglas Carpenter Jan 2014 #133

Can you point us to comments of substance on today's address? Coyotl Jan 2014 #134

That's not the goal. JoePhilly Jan 2014 #158

rec Demo_Chris Jan 2014 #142

Thank You, cali. bvar22 Jan 2014 #150

Kick for making the right people angry and incoherent. bobduca Jan 2014 #159

it is entertaining, isn't it? Skittles Jan 2014 #170

Very! bobduca Jan 2014 #173

the eagerest vociferations of the "I don't like Obama" crowd Sheepshank Jan 2014 #163

Thank you for your kind words Titonwan Jan 2014 #191

It's frustrating. Bradical79 Jan 2014 #178

+1 LondonReign2 Jan 2014 #250

No offense, but I've noticed a "black & white" attitude jazzimov Jan 2014 #179

A lot of us spent time looking at right wing forums during Dick n' Dubya's Excellent Adventure Fumesucker Jan 2014 #181

Oh it's now here too. Titonwan Jan 2014 #200

Hot off the 'Talking Points' press. SaveOurDemocracy Jan 2014 #183

Hateful thread. I've never supported the NSA or the Patriot Act and I still think this thread Number23 Jan 2014 #187

+1 Hekate Jan 2014 #223

The insults and personal attacks outnumber the recs considerably. And it ain't the president's Number23 Jan 2014 #225

Bullshit. You've aggressively attacked NSA critics and whistleblowers. Marr Jan 2014 #293

I think the crybaby act is because this thread hits home to about 5 or 6 people Rex Jan 2014 #302

Jesus Christ. NOT YOU AGAIN Number23 Jan 2014 #340

That might have been the saddest attempt at changing the subject I've ever seen. Marr Jan 2014 #346

I have no need to change the subject. The subject has always been the same Number23 Jan 2014 #347

... Marr Jan 2014 #350

I've not defended the NSA ONCE. But this is EXACTLY the type of lying garbage that you are Number23 Jan 2014 #351

No. /nt Marr Jan 2014 #354

Even the jury has seen through what you're trying to do. We'll see what Skinner says next Number23 Jan 2014 #355

What are you talking about? /nt Marr Jan 2014 #356

Doesn't everyone have an ignore feature? Lol. I was given the same order, so were others. sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #360

That's very kind of you. :D Marr Jan 2014 #361

They pull that act with everyone. Union Scribe Jan 2014 #353

I thought I'd seen those accusations of stalking before. Marr Jan 2014 #357

You're wasting your time. I see the same old 'leave me alone' and 'you're stalking me' routine. sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #359

It's so cute to see 3 of the FOUR people that I've repeatedly asked to put me on ignore Number23 Jan 2014 #366

I asked you to put me on ignore, please do so. That is all I have to say to you. sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #367

You've never asked me to and I've never needed to. You don't say anthing I find interesting Number23 Jan 2014 #368

Please do not address me again. I asked you to use your ignore feature years ago. sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #369

But weren't you the one braying upthread about how sooooo terribly weird it was Number23 Jan 2014 #370

If you have a refutation of the original premise, let's hear it. DisgustipatedinCA Jan 2014 #363

Very cultish, indeed. Skip Intro Jan 2014 #201

I thought it was all about "protecting the 4th" and didn't matter that the perps are RWNJs? ucrdem Jan 2014 #210

Dang Cali...... DeSwiss Jan 2014 #213

It's not just this Scootaloo Jan 2014 #214

Excellent summary and recap.[n/t] Maedhros Jan 2014 #216

God, no kidding. The revisionism about Syria was just fucking shameful. NuclearDem Jan 2014 #217

Utterly dishonest revisionism. joshcryer Jan 2014 #220

Thank you, joshcryer Hekate Jan 2014 #230

TBH, I thought it was plausible. joshcryer Jan 2014 #248

No, josh. Scootaloo's summary is accurate. Ghost Dog Jan 2014 #242

Yeah? Show me ONE BOG post advocating for war. joshcryer Jan 2014 #244

Ok. Sorry, josh, if there's any inaccuracy... I never frequent the BOG Ghost Dog Jan 2014 #249

It is an act of war and a war crime. joshcryer Jan 2014 #251

It is an act of war and a war crime. Ghost Dog Jan 2014 #257

Yep, you and me both. I was very much against attacking Syria. stevenleser Jan 2014 #318

What a brilliant post! Puglover Jan 2014 #255

That has to sting. demmiblue Jan 2014 #267

No. I am one of many BOGgers who was against attacking Syria. stevenleser Jan 2014 #284

You are going to piss off the worshippers ...they will be alert stalking you. L0oniX Jan 2014 #289

Obama will not be "reigning in" the NSA. joshcryer Jan 2014 #218

These two Bush appointees will sort it out, naturally! bobduca Jan 2014 #292

+1 L0oniX Jan 2014 #296

"ways to get around any roadblocks" Ghost Dog Jan 2014 #336

redefining terms joshcryer Jan 2014 #344

Now I understand the reason for that nonsense, word salad thread. Thanks. n/t Egalitarian Thug Jan 2014 #224

Clown Dance Party bobduca Jan 2014 #290

My favorite part. Savannahmann Jan 2014 #227

Most of the people I've heard praising the NSA are terrified of spiders too. Spitfire of ATJ Jan 2014 #229

A well thought out opinion with nuance that blistering critics from both parties can ignore..... marble falls Jan 2014 #252

Very few were 'vociferous'. randome Jan 2014 #253

No they aren't, Progressive dog Jan 2014 #254

Way to go, cali! Enthusiast Jan 2014 #259

Ahh jeez BumRushDaShow Jan 2014 #260

I think the attitude of the people you are criticising is simply this is not a hair-on-fire issue. DCBob Jan 2014 #261

that was predictable, wasn't it? stupidicus Jan 2014 #263

One difference remains, however. randome Jan 2014 #268

Nope. I defended the administration and there are no significant changes now. Just as I said stevenleser Jan 2014 #269

20,000 security letters and how many terrorist have they caught? L0oniX Jan 2014 #294

K&R for exposing the dishonesty and absurdity of the propaganda. nt woo me with science Jan 2014 #272

"cult of adoration" indeed but the worshippers can't see that. L0oniX Jan 2014 #273

That's because they're salesmen. Marr Jan 2014 #279

K&R for pissing off all the right people! Rex Jan 2014 #281

"The Right People" bobduca Jan 2014 #286

Well you can see them crying like babies in this thread, I guess getting exposed for being Rex Jan 2014 #304

bog doth protest too much bobduca Jan 2014 #305

... Rex Jan 2014 #306

That sounds like hatred treestar Jan 2014 #328

Of course it does to you. Rex Jan 2014 #329

we can always count on you to bring people together nt arely staircase Jan 2014 #327

If by people you mean "braying mules" then you're exactly right Number23 Jan 2014 #343

I have to admit to kinda liking cali arely staircase Jan 2014 #345

If someone takes both positions, is more likely they are paid to do so yurbud Jan 2014 #352

I am so fricking proud of DU lately. woo me with science Jan 2014 #371

It is, isn't it? So refreshing to see the truth win out over the propaganda sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #372