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bvar22

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137. Agree. Fuck Rand/Ron Paul,

Fri Jan 17, 2014, 07:33 PM

Jan 2014

....but lets try to keep the 4th Amendment limitations on our Government.
Yes?

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

I really, REALLY like that Amendment.
Hate to see it go.
You DO know that sooner of later a Republican or worse WILL sit in the Oval Office?

Do you know that your odds of being harmed by a "terrorist" are greater than being struck by lightening?

Do you know that the ongoing Spying on Americans has not stopped a SINGLE terrorist attack?

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Rampant Government Secrecy and Democracy can not co-exist.

Persecution of Whistle Blowers and Democracy can not co-exist.

Government surveillance of the citizenry and Democracy can not co-exist.

Secret Laws and Democracy can not co-exist.

Secret Courts and Democracy can not-co-exist.

Our Democracy depends on an informed electorate.

You either believe in Democracy,
or you don't.
It IS that simple.

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Unfortunately, I find myself in agreement with Rand Paul today. [View all] bvar22 Jan 2014 OP

Yup, ProSense Jan 2014 #1

The NSA got to them! JoePhilly Jan 2014 #2

Senator "Rand Fucking Asshole Paul": ProSense Jan 2014 #5

lol!! JoePhilly Jan 2014 #8

Good job... VanillaRhapsody Jan 2014 #19

Very bad job actually, if the purpose was to show 'inconsistency'. Good job if it was to show sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #102

So now its "Heap Praise on Rand Paul Day" on DU... VanillaRhapsody Jan 2014 #128

Do you agree with what Biden said, which was also in agreement with Paul? sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #134

Can't someone just actually feel vomit rising to even be subjected to Rand Paul praise? VanillaRhapsody Jan 2014 #135

I never feel like puking over any human being. Must be that sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #138

I do...must be that "human" thing.... VanillaRhapsody Jan 2014 #139

Humans puke when they don't agree with someone politically? sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #141

The same mental process is at work whether one hero worships a public figure no matter how GoneFishin Jan 2014 #146

I would love to see Clapper in Prison for Perjury hueymahl Jan 2014 #42

I see no inconsistency there. Thanks for the link. He is for the rule of law, and is consistent sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #100

"He is for the rule of law, and is consistent" Yeah, ProSense Jan 2014 #101

That wasn't the topic, I'll be happy to veer off to another issue when we resolve the one you sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #105

Topic "rule of law" and "consistency" Relevant: droning a liquor store robber n/t ProSense Jan 2014 #108

Topic rule of law: Stay on topic and if you have answers to questions about your claims, provide sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #109

Is Rand Paul being consistent in support of killing a liquor store robber with a drone? n/t ProSense Jan 2014 #111

You didn't use that to prove inconsistency. You used a link directly related to the topic under sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #116

You didn't answer the question. n/t ProSense Jan 2014 #117

I asked the question regarding the link you used to prove, something. I'm not in the habit sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #120

"He is for the rule of law, and is consistent" ProSense Jan 2014 #125

The US Constitution is the Law of the Land. If you run for elected office you take an oath to sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #129

"The US Constitution is the Law of the Land." Is Citizens United a "law of the land"? ProSense Jan 2014 #131

Hey, Pro. bvar22 Jan 2014 #107

Can you show ProSense Jan 2014 #110

Gee, Pro... I don't think you can split that tiny hair. bvar22 Jan 2014 #119

Wow, I could not agree with Prosense on this. That was MY position also, and still is of course sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #113

So you 1/2 agree with Rand Paul whatchamacallit Jan 2014 #160

Thinking in fundamentalist terms will often lead to such things frazzled Jan 2014 #3

Many assumptions on your part. bvar22 Jan 2014 #10

Do you disagree with the statement that was bolded? LondonReign2 Jan 2014 #22

I'd say you're probably an authoritarian at heart. Go with your heart. Broward Jan 2014 #46

Seems that way to me. Demo_Chris Jan 2014 #96

Was Joe Biden being 'fundamental' when he made that statement about the Constitution, secret laws sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #118

Today? Cali_Democrat Jan 2014 #4

+1 Egnever Jan 2014 #7

What do you think of Biden's statement about Constitutional rights. He appears to agree with Paul? sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #121

Nailed it... SidDithers Jan 2014 #21

What do you think of Biden agreeing with Paul? Do you disagree with Biden's statement? sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #124

No. bvar22 Jan 2014 #26

I agree with 2006 Biden, R FAP Autumn Jan 2014 #47

Thank You. bvar22 Jan 2014 #58

This is why I never take you seriously Cali_Democrat Jan 2014 #91

If Rand Paul believed killer hookers was wrong.... Demo_Chris Jan 2014 #97

Excellent post, bvar. Shameful to see what is going on here on this forum. I came here BECAUSE sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #126

If that ever happens on DU? bvar22 Jan 2014 #133

I have never been tempted to visit the Bog that I recall. I am interested in discussion of the sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #142

LOL and fuck Ron Paul! greatauntoftriplets Jan 2014 #36

I agree... Fuck Ron Paul. bvar22 Jan 2014 #61

It's kind of like the 'broke clock' saying... Blanks Jan 2014 #94

What about Biden then, can you agree with HIM when he's right? sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #140

I like Biden... Blanks Jan 2014 #143

Liking or not liking an individual is not at issue. I can like someone and disagree with them. sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #144

Pretty simple really, it's the baggage... Blanks Jan 2014 #148

Yup Grateful for Hope Jan 2014 #86

And fuck Rand Paul too! greatauntoftriplets Jan 2014 #88

Absolutely! Grateful for Hope Jan 2014 #89

How about the 4th Amendment? How about Biden? sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #136

Right? Bobbie Jo Jan 2014 #83

Paulite PowerToThePeople Jan 2014 #6

I am in agreement with Rand Paul and Democratic Senator Ron Wyden quinnox Jan 2014 #9

Here ProSense Jan 2014 #12

LOL Cali_Democrat Jan 2014 #14

Wyden wants way more reform than the President promised. Way more. Vattel Jan 2014 #34

Well, ProSense Jan 2014 #54

Yes, and I agree that there is real progress in the President's reforms Vattel Jan 2014 #60

Looks like I rang some bells among the ever vigilant authoritarians. bvar22 Jan 2014 #13

lol quinnox Jan 2014 #15

Senator "Rand Fucking Asshole Paul," ProSense Jan 2014 #16

I believe you were here first, eh? MineralMan Jan 2014 #24

But on second thought, you did mention Paul, which is a guarantee to draw quinnox Jan 2014 #27

We must be at the laundry Union Scribe Jan 2014 #45

lol, no doubt! quinnox Jan 2014 #51

That one kinda creeps me out. bvar22 Jan 2014 #93

The Democratic Party has been infiltrated. Broward Jan 2014 #50

Maybe they get paid for it? Demeter Jan 2014 #157

Not me. I actually despise the absurd reductionist politics to JaneyVee Jan 2014 #11

Right. GeorgeGist Jan 2014 #17

It's interesting that you chose Rand Paul to MineralMan Jan 2014 #18

quite telling actually... VanillaRhapsody Jan 2014 #20

Purposely chosen to illustrate the point. bvar22 Jan 2014 #28

No, I saw that you were "disgusted" to have MineralMan Jan 2014 #31

And I told you I purposely chose him to illustrate the point. bvar22 Jan 2014 #52

'Should I NOT talk about them on DU?' MineralMan Jan 2014 #79

So if YOU feel like you "have no influence", bvar22 Jan 2014 #98

It is a perfect plan. zeemike Jan 2014 #59

^^^THIS^^^ theaocp Jan 2014 #87

Get past the messenger and address the message 1000words Jan 2014 #77

Tell you what: You post what you want, MineralMan Jan 2014 #78

By all means ... 1000words Jan 2014 #80

Thanks for the permission. MineralMan Jan 2014 #81

Not really Bradical79 Jan 2014 #151

I now OFFICIALLY love this thread. Number23 Jan 2014 #163

Message auto-removed Name removed Jan 2014 #23

Who were you? hrmjustin Jan 2014 #25

Poof! MineralMan Jan 2014 #29

He came back and is gone again. hrmjustin Jan 2014 #32

Casper the Friendly Ghost? MineralMan Jan 2014 #33

This will be a moment for a bit. hrmjustin Jan 2014 #35

lol, this troll won't quit! See below again. quinnox Jan 2014 #40

Hope so. hrmjustin Jan 2014 #44

...but but but...he "can do this all day"... cyberswede Jan 2014 #72

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Message auto-removed Name removed Jan 2014 #37

Thank You, admins. bvar22 Jan 2014 #38

Message auto-removed Name removed Jan 2014 #49

hopefully you will not have goons stomp a woman's head into gutter stg81 Jan 2014 #39

"Even idiots occasionally speak the truth accidentally." ananda Jan 2014 #41

Even idiots know water is wet jsr Jan 2014 #71

This message was self-deleted by its author guyton Jan 2014 #43

Rand Paul is probably not wrong on more than 90% of the issues, but I wonder indepat Jan 2014 #48

His father was a thorn on the side of the GOP nadinbrzezinski Jan 2014 #55

Message auto-removed Name removed Jan 2014 #53

You also probably agree with launching an initiative to combat AIDS in Africa, Maedhros Jan 2014 #56

This message was self-deleted by its author bvar22 Jan 2014 #63

You missed the sarcasm tag, my friend. Maedhros Jan 2014 #69

My Bad. bvar22 Jan 2014 #99

Here: ProSense Jan 2014 #57

Here: bvar22 Jan 2014 #122

Here: ProSense Jan 2014 #127

"Politics makes strange bedfellows" moonbeam23 Jan 2014 #62

Unfortunately, I do too. JDPriestly Jan 2014 #64

sadly I do DonCoquixote Jan 2014 #65

Anyone who says "whatever (person X) believes, I believe the opposite" is an idiot. Nye Bevan Jan 2014 #66

I know what you mean abelenkpe Jan 2014 #67

�That�s what gave us Jim Crow� - Rand Paul OKNancy Jan 2014 #68

Personally I know one thing Iliyah Jan 2014 #70

If you find yourself uncomfortable with agreeing with Paul, there are plenty totodeinhere Jan 2014 #73

Same goes for those who agree with some words by the Pope, plenty of others Bluenorthwest Jan 2014 #114

I agree with you about the Pope although it may be off topic for this thread. totodeinhere Jan 2014 #149

Very simple point re: Rand Paul robbob Jan 2014 #74

NO Iliyah Jan 2014 #75

Not so fast . . . markpkessinger Jan 2014 #76

21st century, like it or not, what the NSA Iliyah Jan 2014 #84

Well, I'm certain of one thing . . . markpkessinger Jan 2014 #90

Sorry. bvar22 Jan 2014 #95

An even MORE interesting question: bvar22 Jan 2014 #103

It happens sometimes MNBrewer Jan 2014 #82

I wasn't able to listen to all of the President's remarks but...... Swede Atlanta Jan 2014 #85

I'd be a lot more accepting of it if the NSA would root through the AtheistCrusader Jan 2014 #92

Nailed it. ctsnowman Jan 2014 #145

Wow...If only that Rand Paul got elected to congess somehow Blue_Tires Jan 2014 #104

Bernie Sanders said essentially the same thing in his interview Nay Jan 2014 #106

Name removed disagrees with you Autumn Jan 2014 #112

Here: ProSense Jan 2014 #115

Who has said that Rand/Ron Paul is NOT an asshole? bvar22 Jan 2014 #130

Well, ProSense Jan 2014 #132

I really don't have time to devot to your therapy about what you IMAGINE people are saying. bvar22 Jan 2014 #147

"imaginary sack of bullshit" bobduca Jan 2014 #150

Like I said ProSense Jan 2014 #158

Still just making stuff up. bvar22 Jan 2014 #162

boink n/t BelgianMadCow Jan 2014 #152

Fuck Rand Paul. n/t JTFrog Jan 2014 #123

Agree. Fuck Rand/Ron Paul, bvar22 Jan 2014 #137

Joe Biden still believes in principle before party, Progressive dog Jan 2014 #153

Joe Biden still believes in principle before party, Progressive dog Jan 2014 #154

That is both frightening and disturbingly funny. bvar22 Jan 2014 #161

This isn't 2006, he has moved on. nt Progressive dog Jan 2014 #164

Ah, I think I see what is confusing you... malthaussen Jan 2014 #155

Why would you agree with a person who got the 4th Amendment wrong? msanthrope Jan 2014 #156

Looks like you and the doofus have something in common. bvar22 Jan 2014 #159

I got nothing wrong...unlikr Rand Paul. nt msanthrope Jan 2014 #166

Oh Come On. bvar22 Jan 2014 #167

kick woo me with science Jan 2014 #165

I recommend vigorous exercise and a cold shower. ucrdem Jan 2014 #168