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Demo_Chris

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101. The internet is knowlege and communication...

Sat Jan 18, 2014, 12:24 AM

Jan 2014

If the world has any hope it is the internet. If the internet dies, and the powers that own the world want it to do just that, then freedom dies with it. The internet is the death of superstition, the death of nationalism, the death of ignorance and hate. Without the internet they can do anything they like, without the free internet you would have never even heard of the Kock brothers, or the TPP, or the NSA scandal, you would never have heard of our Drone wars, you would have heard and read whatever they wanted you to read.

We would not be talking here today. Most of America would be terrified of China and Russia and Iran, instead of chatting online with their friends in those nations.

It is simply impossible to overstate the importance of the internet to society today and to our hope of something better in the future.

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One Frightening Chart Shows What You Might Pay For Internet Once Net Neutrality Is Gone [View all] marmar Jan 2014 OP

Bearing in mind that this is completely speculative... brooklynite Jan 2014 #1

Net SamKnause Jan 2014 #5

But they're not monopolies... brooklynite Jan 2014 #10

Net SamKnause Jan 2014 #12

Give me your ZIP Code brooklynite Jan 2014 #74

Reply SamKnause Jan 2014 #77

DSLReports.com: brooklynite Jan 2014 #79

Reply SamKnause Jan 2014 #81

Zip code doesn't always work emsimon33 Jan 2014 #108

it sucks to be you--i sell broadband and there is no logic dembotoz Jan 2014 #120

The problem with assuming shopping around will find a better deal is that Gman Jan 2014 #122

Every MVNO is using the backbone of a major Call Phone provider... brooklynite Jan 2014 #124

I don't know their pricing structures or Gman Jan 2014 #126

Only if you live in NYC or other major cities. jeff47 Jan 2014 #17

Even then it's spotty. sir pball Jan 2014 #51

you mean upscale neighborhoods of nyc. nt tomp Jan 2014 #115

No there aren't. AtheistCrusader Jan 2014 #20

They are de facto monopolies..... Swede Atlanta Jan 2014 #21

Ditto. SoapBox Jan 2014 #33

Our Atlanta suburb is even worse Thirties Child Jan 2014 #37

Spot on post. The internet is essential for most Ilsa Jan 2014 #97

They ALL use the SAME backbone. RC Jan 2014 #34

AT&T, Verizon, Level 3, Sprint, Vodafone, CenturyLink... mwooldri Jan 2014 #96

there's a great big world there outside of your grand city.. frylock Jan 2014 #35

Boulevard in San Diego county nadinbrzezinski Jan 2014 #67

what are your choices out there? frylock Jan 2014 #69

The red flag was extended until six o clock this afternoon nadinbrzezinski Jan 2014 #70

really? dozens? magical thyme Jan 2014 #39

At my last apartment... Dopers_Greed Jan 2014 #56

You really should get out of your bubble a tad more nadinbrzezinski Jan 2014 #63

Just a note: Those are charges over and above your Internet access - not instead of. jtuck004 Jan 2014 #89

"the problem with leaving things up to the private sector... if they don't see a profit in it" Beartracks Jan 2014 #106

True, it could be much higher. nt TBF Jan 2014 #6

Are you saying.... yeoman6987 Jan 2014 #31

not really. They charge every penny they can. consistently. robinlynne Jan 2014 #44

Always on the wrong side of the issue, brooklynite. Th1onein Jan 2014 #107

This is perhaps the single most critical issue we face. You want FREEDOM? nt Demo_Chris Jan 2014 #2

I think its high but comes in behind free and fair voting. nm rhett o rick Jan 2014 #100

The internet is knowlege and communication... Demo_Chris Jan 2014 #101

I completely agree but if we cant choose who represents us in the government, rhett o rick Jan 2014 #103

I understand, but without the internet you wouldn't even know who that might be... Demo_Chris Jan 2014 #104

The Net SamKnause Jan 2014 #3

This is an awesome graphic. octoberlib Jan 2014 #4

Likewise -- We all should post it and make it viral Armstead Jan 2014 #15

or they could be more competive warrior1 Jan 2014 #7

Right... and look where gas prices are today. Veilex Jan 2014 #22

Sadly, when you add it all up My Good Babushka Jan 2014 #8

It's an old graphic. Add $10 to each number to get today's pricing. (nt) jeff47 Jan 2014 #18

same here shanti Jan 2014 #52

Could all those companies listed above block access to any company not following Net Neutrality? JCMach1 Jan 2014 #9

Umn, there won't BE any companies following Net neutrality Armstead Jan 2014 #61

It will be used as a selling point... so yeah, some will... this is largely a cable company play JCMach1 Jan 2014 #66

This is an obvious attempt by the 1% plutarchs to prevent access to communication among the 99%, Zorra Jan 2014 #11

I disagree. They just want the freedom to rob us. Armstead Jan 2014 #14

I'd say you're both right. Veilex Jan 2014 #23

Yes. The second is a component of the first. They already have the freedom to rob us; Zorra Jan 2014 #36

Because FREEDOM isn't free... freebrew Jan 2014 #26

Damn straight -- They didn't push this case for the fun of it Armstead Jan 2014 #13

K&R Hugin Jan 2014 #16

I will be saying buh-bye Internet. Nice knowing ya. Fun while it lasted. Tuesday Afternoon Jan 2014 #19

If this happens, I'll be taking to the streets. The internet is too important BarackTheVote Jan 2014 #134

I will not be able to afford the net if the predictions come true. Tuesday Afternoon Jan 2014 #136

Most discussions revolve around charging the content providers, such as Netflix muriel_volestrangler Jan 2014 #24

That is what they are wanting to do. LiberalArkie Jan 2014 #43

Do not pay! oldandhappy Jan 2014 #25

I have a possible scheme Demeter Jan 2014 #53

Thank you. oldandhappy Jan 2014 #83

hmm, not sure, because if every company started trying to pull this quinnox Jan 2014 #27

They are contricted by those that own the OC3 lines. L0oniX Jan 2014 #30

Precisely. jsr Jan 2014 #38

K&R&Bookmarked stevenleser Jan 2014 #28

Wait ...the cable co's who won't go alacart with tv will now go alacart with inet? L0oniX Jan 2014 #29

That isn't a la cart kcr Jan 2014 #42

Backlashes don't matter with the Net now a necessity and if they have the law on their side Armstead Jan 2014 #46

It's the FCC that needs to fix this enlightenment Jan 2014 #32

I blame Bill Clinton for signing away the FCC control over this. L0oniX Jan 2014 #41

Hi L0onix SamKnause Jan 2014 #78

++ fadedrose Jan 2014 #111

they will do this in a HEARTBEAT Locrian Jan 2014 #40

It will end my internet days. Enthusiast Jan 2014 #45

If they wanted us to stop using the internet EC Jan 2014 #47

I'm paying for bandwidth. DU is paying for bandwidth. Google is paying for bandwidth. hunter Jan 2014 #48

Of course there's a reason Fumesucker Jan 2014 #80

Internet Service Providers are so 1990's....this is a good thing....we need change!! cbdo2007 Jan 2014 #49

How many cables do you want on the phone poles? naturallyselected Jan 2014 #59

Frankly, I don't care. However, there won't be more cables. OmahaBlueDog Jan 2014 #65

Maybe naturallyselected Jan 2014 #71

True, but the wireless world serves as a competitor to the wired world OmahaBlueDog Jan 2014 #75

What? Egnever Jan 2014 #87

Google Fiber is available in only 3 cities naturallyselected Jan 2014 #91

It is brand new! Egnever Jan 2014 #92

I'm just looking at the economics naturallyselected Jan 2014 #128

The old "deregulation will breed competition" argument? Ha! That's 90's Snake Oil Armstead Jan 2014 #60

Basically you're fighting to regulate and save a dying industry from 20 years ago. cbdo2007 Jan 2014 #72

Yes. hunter Jan 2014 #73

People have to wake up LiberalLovinLug Jan 2014 #50

Let me give you the flip side - I'd be willing to pay for broadband on this basis IF OmahaBlueDog Jan 2014 #54

The Internet is so much motre than entertainment Armstead Jan 2014 #58

Honestly, for most of us, the internet is not much more than entertainment. OmahaBlueDog Jan 2014 #64

Some of those channels you want are only available because of the bundling naturallyselected Jan 2014 #62

That would close down the internet. JDPriestly Jan 2014 #55

Do you mean? naturallyselected Jan 2014 #57

Won't need that smart phone any longer liberal N proud Jan 2014 #68

There's one class missing dickthegrouch Jan 2014 #76

I can't even remember what 128 kbps looks like. truedelphi Jan 2014 #82

Businesses like squeezing customers, but don't like being squeezed by other businesses Alamuti Lotus Jan 2014 #84

When elephants fight the grass gets trampled -African aphorism Fumesucker Jan 2014 #86

Or people will say fuck you, and find a way around the ISPs that pull this. Warren DeMontague Jan 2014 #85

Tough to do when so much of the radio spectrum is "owned" by big business... hunter Jan 2014 #93

This lawsuit was started when cable was King. People are cutting the cord. MADem Jan 2014 #131

Time for books and newspapers and face-to-face clubs. nt valerief Jan 2014 #88

So what happens to all the other websites.. AsahinaKimi Jan 2014 #90

Here's a link to a cool tool to see where your ctsnowman Jan 2014 #94

That Euro hop? Doesn't exist. mwooldri Jan 2014 #99

15 hops for me to DU Separation Jan 2014 #118

Yea, mine is totally whacked Separation Jan 2014 #116

Change You Can Believe In! blkmusclmachine Jan 2014 #95

Wonder how many bank accounts in the Caymans...... DeSwiss Jan 2014 #98

There was once a time madaboutharry Jan 2014 #102

+1 tofuandbeer Jan 2014 #109

Well you don't have to buy it gerogie2 Jan 2014 #105

Once again, it comes down to the haves and the have-nots. tofuandbeer Jan 2014 #110

They did something similar to our cable davidpdx Jan 2014 #112

I'm wondering if this is going to push Congress to finally deal with Net Neutrality davidpdx Jan 2014 #113

du rec. xchrom Jan 2014 #114

It will be back to my books! WinkyDink Jan 2014 #117

I am dubious that "all you can eat" pricing is good for consumers. I would *save* money under the Romulox Jan 2014 #119

if you give the internet providers to option of bending you over and screwing you--- dembotoz Jan 2014 #121

Too true! mwooldri Jan 2014 #135

K & R Quantess Jan 2014 #123

A better title: "here are some imaginary numbers we made up out of thin air". N.T. Donald Ian Rankin Jan 2014 #125

A "frightening chart" created by "a reddit user." This is pure speculation. MADem Jan 2014 #127

Yes, but ... naturallyselected Jan 2014 #129

It's just a stupid business model, especially in these times. MADem Jan 2014 #130

How will the upstart deliver the Internet? naturallyselected Jan 2014 #132

In real rural ME, satellite internet IS the way to go. Not fast enough---YET, but give some upstart MADem Jan 2014 #133