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144. I think it depends on what people know about this huge religious institution. If they do not

Sat Jan 18, 2014, 03:41 AM

Jan 2014

understand it and were hoping that ANY Pope would immediately change centuries old doctrine, they were bound to be disappointed. He can go only so far to try to move things just a little bit. He cannot change the Church's teachings on contraception even if he wanted to. He has been straightforward on that. He has stated the fact that some things won't change, but he has added 'change is coming'.

He has also said much of what I just did. That 'some people expect things too quickly'.

He is treading water when he speaks about long time doctrine. Even if he personally supported contraception, for him to come out and say so and then move to change the Church's doctrine on the subject, it would be the equivalent of the President saying 'I am going to change the Constitution on the Right to Bear Arms because I don't agree that everyone should be running around armed to the teeth'. That's what some people are asking him to do. He cannot.

When you accept the reality of his job it is easier not to expect more than he can deliver and to be grateful that he is doing more than his predecessors to address issues that are important, such as the greed and downright selfishness of 'trickle down' economics and the disastrous results of it on people. He was speaking directly to Republicans here and many Repub voters ARE Catholics and are likely to take his words to heart. THAT could help change things here.

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I fear for this Pope [View all] CatWoman Jan 2014 OP

He is certainly not part of the old status quo. House of Roberts Jan 2014 #1

Me too shenmue Jan 2014 #2

This message was self-deleted by its author RKP5637 Jan 2014 #6

Fairness to all? theHandpuppet Jan 2014 #10

I don't think he'd preach being vengeful against gays. House of Roberts Jan 2014 #15

Do you have ANY idea what he has said about gay people? theHandpuppet Jan 2014 #16

You may exhibit support for your 'realities' House of Roberts Jan 2014 #21

"Site search" is your friend theHandpuppet Jan 2014 #23

I'm alternating between here, Crooks and Liars, and a Wordpress House of Roberts Jan 2014 #24

Then you will allow yourself to become mouthpiece for hateful things Bluenorthwest Jan 2014 #80

Speaking of reality... Shemp Howard Jan 2014 #36

That is not what angers me theHandpuppet Jan 2014 #42

Number of Roman Catholics in world circa 2011: 1.21 Billion delrem Jan 2014 #63

I'll never understand why posts like yours don't PROVIDE the answers to the questions you ask cherokeeprogressive Jan 2014 #49

You know why I hesitated? theHandpuppet Jan 2014 #53

So you don't know? Can't you at least give me a synopsis? Summarize his answers for me? cherokeeprogressive Jan 2014 #56

Or maybe I'm just getting cranky... theHandpuppet Jan 2014 #65

And notice the silence you brouth to the naysayer. Bluenorthwest Jan 2014 #81

Opening the priesthood to women won't come under his watch. n/t AngryOldDem Jan 2014 #78

Yeah, it was a stretch, he'll keep up that backward tradition ... RKP5637 Jan 2014 #73

If you are head of the RCC, you CANNOT have "a fair sense of balance in life", mr blur Jan 2014 #108

Yes, quite true, I got carried away with hopefulness, in fact, I'm going RKP5637 Jan 2014 #109

So do I. Baitball Blogger Jan 2014 #3

It is a sad day when leaders would even consider doing harm to another man dedicated Thinkingabout Jan 2014 #4

My guess is the Vatican GP6971 Jan 2014 #5

If he's messing with the banking, he's rocking the boat. n/t Cleita Jan 2014 #9

"not in a serious way?" Banking? Where's economic determinism when you need it? Eleanors38 Jan 2014 #13

Jesus, Prince of Peace, used a whip to violently drive moneychangers from the Bluenorthwest Jan 2014 #82

The poor aren't a major issue? Squinch Jan 2014 #28

Of course it is and I'm thrilled to see it GP6971 Jan 2014 #45

The poor aren't a core issue? Squinch Jan 2014 #48

Off course it is and I applaud his sincere efforts to address the issue and taking positive action GP6971 Jan 2014 #51

Equity is an extremely important issue BarackTheVote Jan 2014 #72

The real problem there is the Church's opposition to birth control. Because being able to limit nomorenomore08 Jan 2014 #121

I hope he has a food taster n/t Holly_Hobby Jan 2014 #7

I heard he prepares his own meals. n/t TexasProgresive Jan 2014 #11

I'm certain there is a certain faction that have mixed the Cleita Jan 2014 #8

And I bet there are people rejoicing his actions. babylonsister Jan 2014 #12

No Catholic here, but this guy has good stuff... Eleanors38 Jan 2014 #14

It's not even about help, it's about such a man of stature finally doing babylonsister Jan 2014 #35

I agree. Lest they are too religious, I hope atheists see this, too. Eleanors38 Jan 2014 #79

I like him very much. 840high Jan 2014 #30

I'm a "fallen" Catholic, and no one is more critical of the church than a "fallen" Catholic, Squinch Jan 2014 #32

link to washingtonpost.com tiredtoo Jan 2014 #17

Here herding cats Jan 2014 #20

John Paul I "died" after one month in the Vatican no_hypocrisy Jan 2014 #18

Read the book... 3catwoman3 Jan 2014 #52

That's the first thing that crossed my mind when I heard that he was NealK Jan 2014 #62

I also keep remembering John Paul drmeow Jan 2014 #113

He wasn't the only one who died. PADemD Feb 2014 #162

I've wondered if he's ok with the idea of being a martyr. herding cats Jan 2014 #19

That's what is so special about this guy. He broke the mold, and babylonsister Jan 2014 #37

This IS a big deal. I read this earlier and had the same thoughts regarding his safety. sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #22

This is one of the most insulting posts I've ever read on DU theHandpuppet Jan 2014 #25

No it isn't, not by a long shot. I find posts USING WOMEN to be among the most insulting I've sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #26

Meet the new pope. Same as the old pope. nt Walk away Jan 2014 #27

I have met neither, but I like this one. Not so much the other one. He certainly is getting all the sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #31

Lots of new converts and the best cover for immoral & illegal activities ever! Walk away Jan 2014 #93

Excuse me?? Could you say that again in a way that it makes sense? I have no clue what you sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #98

Sure... Walk away Jan 2014 #101

That's quite a conspiracy theory. It must be hard to have become so cynical sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #105

That's right... Walk away Jan 2014 #110

There are all kinds of bigotry in this world. sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #111

I stand by my post theHandpuppet Jan 2014 #29

You will not succeed in silencing women, like me, and there are millions of us, from stating our sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #34

+1000 Katashi_itto Jan 2014 #38

What a surprise. theHandpuppet Jan 2014 #40

Do I care what your opinion is, other than you have a right to one? Katashi_itto Jan 2014 #41

Of course not. theHandpuppet Jan 2014 #44

Good for you! Least you have something right Katashi_itto Jan 2014 #47

Lol! NealK Jan 2014 #70

I will not stand idly by when you accuse other DUers... theHandpuppet Jan 2014 #39

And I will not stand idly by when DU women like me, are attacked out of the blue sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #50

Nice try. theHandpuppet Jan 2014 #55

I stated my opinion and I will repeat it whether you like it or not. I as a woman am sick to death sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #59

And this is what I believe theHandpuppet Jan 2014 #68

A woman's autonomy may not be important to you, but out is to me PeaceNikki Jan 2014 #76

It is because a woman's autonomy is so important to me that I have so much concern for the fact sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #92

Access to contraception reduces poverty and disease in developing countries. PeaceNikki Jan 2014 #94

Christopher Hitchens opposed women's rights to live in peace, to education, to equality as they had sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #97

Your feelings about him aside, his words I posted are 100% true. PeaceNikki Jan 2014 #99

Words. Easy things to spit out. No one can support War AND Women's Rights sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #104

K&R Kurovski Jan 2014 #120

And yet... theHandpuppet Jan 2014 #126

This is what you stand with, what you defend, Francis on equality for LGBT Bluenorthwest Jan 2014 #87

This is what you oppose: sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #95

No it's not. This is Bluenorthwest Jan 2014 #100

It is beyond disgusting that you would question my commitment to equal rights for everyone sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #102

You are such a hypocrite, you question the commitment of others for their criticism of a fucking... Humanist_Activist Jan 2014 #150

If this is how the anti-Pope contingency speaks to sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #158

So now you lie? Really, I call you out on your obvious hypocrisy, and you lie? Humanist_Activist Jan 2014 #160

+1000! NealK Jan 2014 #67

You are perpetrating what she is talking about. Cleita Jan 2014 #58

Don't be ridiculous. eShirl Jan 2014 #60

Nope, the Pope is managing to do that himself theHandpuppet Jan 2014 #69

Thank you ... sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #71

Francis on equality for gay people: Bluenorthwest Jan 2014 #84

Another good one, even more recent theHandpuppet Jan 2014 #88

I'm posting a past thread in which you say "The church is not anti-gay" among Bluenorthwest Jan 2014 #83

This message was self-deleted by its author Cleita Jan 2014 #103

Kinda like you, Ms. "lifestyle choices"? I still don't understand how you weren't PPR'd. n/t Humanist_Activist Jan 2014 #148

Well said, sabrina. NealK Jan 2014 #64

I haven't made a single hyperbolic, or even particularly vehement, post against Francis. nomorenomore08 Jan 2014 #122

Case in point... theHandpuppet Jan 2014 #124

Don't get me wrong, I'm very glad he's pissing off Limbaugh and all the rest. nomorenomore08 Jan 2014 #128

He, like our president, who has far more time actually, does not have the power to walk into sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #127

I'm no great supporter of Obama, even if I voted for the guy twice. Not as if I had a better option nomorenomore08 Jan 2014 #130

This message was self-deleted by its author sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #140

Wrong place on the deleted post. Anyhow, Francis did tell them to lay off on their 'obsession with sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #142

Nice diversion theHandpuppet Jan 2014 #131

He doesn't have a magic wand. sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #132

I suggest you check my DU Journal theHandpuppet Jan 2014 #134

Well, he certainly is in a better position to make changes than the leader of an ancient sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #135

As long as we occupy foreign lands.... theHandpuppet Jan 2014 #136

Well, we are very much in agreement on that. I have never stopped speaking out on those very issues sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #141

That poster doesn't think the Pope has a "magic wand." joshcryer Jan 2014 #139

If you have something to say to me say it directly so I can respond. The POTUS can issue an sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #143

Papal infallibility concerns ONLY doctrine. joshcryer Jan 2014 #145

I want nothing to do with you so I will thank you not to comment on my comments, as I have made it sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #154

You responded to me. joshcryer Jan 2014 #155

Do not comment on my comments, it is an attempt on your part to engage me. You are wrong, period. sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #156

You initially responded to me. joshcryer Jan 2014 #157

His anti-poverty message is the least committed thing possible. joshcryer Jan 2014 #138

I think it depends on what people know about this huge religious institution. If they do not sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #144

Sorry Sabrina, you're just wrong on this. There is no comparison between the Office of the POTUS Egalitarian Thug Jan 2014 #146

+1 joshcryer Jan 2014 #149

It's easy to understand how someone not indoctrinated since birth into the lunacy can misunderstand Egalitarian Thug Jan 2014 #152

True. joshcryer Jan 2014 #153

Nonsense. Many valid points. JNelson6563 Jan 2014 #106

You must be reading an invisible post. pnwmom Jan 2014 #116

Thank you. I thought it was pretty clear myself. The pope has also been clear on these tactics they sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #119

Good luck with that. joshcryer Jan 2014 #137

Yes -- they have been using women and gays to keep the focus off the 1%. pnwmom Jan 2014 #115

That is pretty bad el_bryanto Jan 2014 #117

Really, you don't think Right Wing fundies are doing it maliciously? You don't think that the sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #118

And just who can solve that dilemma? theHandpuppet Jan 2014 #123

Anything to say about the women who are daily victims of our foreign policy? The raped, the sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #129

Do you assume I am some kind of warhawk theHandpuppet Jan 2014 #133

Let's all send him some positive energy! Chief D Jan 2014 #33

At the rate Francis is going, in two years time MannyGoldstein Jan 2014 #43

Francis on equality for gay people: Bluenorthwest Jan 2014 #86

I worry about him too.... ReRe Jan 2014 #46

You are so correct about the "The world is sorely lacking in positive forces." There is RKP5637 Jan 2014 #74

Heck... ReRe Jan 2014 #125

I read a book that concerned the corruption in that bank. It goes back a long way. JDPriestly Jan 2014 #54

He is against gay folks... awoke_in_2003 Jan 2014 #57

I don't have the link/article right now, but one of my friends sent me something RKP5637 Jan 2014 #75

Francis on equality for gay people: Bluenorthwest Jan 2014 #85

And yet he's for potentially allowing marriage. joshcryer Jan 2014 #147

This book looks interesting. PADemD Jan 2014 #61

So do I. Beacool Jan 2014 #66

The bank just needs to be shut. Period. AngryOldDem Jan 2014 #77

I fear for those he promotes hate toward. NCTraveler Jan 2014 #89

+1000 theHandpuppet Jan 2014 #91

But Jesus said ,' do unto the least of these what you'd never allow to be done unto you.' Didn't he? Bluenorthwest Jan 2014 #96

I don't fear for him - he is already too big for them to harm karynnj Jan 2014 #90

Killing a leader can cripple a movement DerekG Jan 2014 #107

The number of priest he has defrocked is impressive Gothmog Jan 2014 #112

Those were Ratz's numbers. PeaceNikki Jan 2014 #114

He's the "bad" Pope, so he doesn't count. Humanist_Activist Jan 2014 #151

Yes, that's exactly what I said. PeaceNikki Jan 2014 #159

I was pointing out that many of the people who are lauding Pope Francis were... Humanist_Activist Jan 2014 #161