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tofuandbeer

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110. Once again, it comes down to the haves and the have-nots.

Sat Jan 18, 2014, 04:40 AM

Jan 2014

Everyone here is arguing/discussing what is and isn't available to them...but the haves aren't arguing: they're laughing comfortably now.
This is another lost battle in the class war. And I think it's a huge loss.

A couple years ago, L.A. lost some major carpool lanes to "FastTrack." With this the rich can drive solo in their huge SUV's in what used to be carpool lanes with a fee (passing by the lower-class solo drivers sweating out a 2 hour bumper-to-bumper commute), and then they'll write off the "FastTrack" fees to their business accounts.

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One Frightening Chart Shows What You Might Pay For Internet Once Net Neutrality Is Gone [View all] marmar Jan 2014 OP

Bearing in mind that this is completely speculative... brooklynite Jan 2014 #1

Net SamKnause Jan 2014 #5

But they're not monopolies... brooklynite Jan 2014 #10

Net SamKnause Jan 2014 #12

Give me your ZIP Code brooklynite Jan 2014 #74

Reply SamKnause Jan 2014 #77

DSLReports.com: brooklynite Jan 2014 #79

Reply SamKnause Jan 2014 #81

Zip code doesn't always work emsimon33 Jan 2014 #108

it sucks to be you--i sell broadband and there is no logic dembotoz Jan 2014 #120

The problem with assuming shopping around will find a better deal is that Gman Jan 2014 #122

Every MVNO is using the backbone of a major Call Phone provider... brooklynite Jan 2014 #124

I don't know their pricing structures or Gman Jan 2014 #126

Only if you live in NYC or other major cities. jeff47 Jan 2014 #17

Even then it's spotty. sir pball Jan 2014 #51

you mean upscale neighborhoods of nyc. nt tomp Jan 2014 #115

No there aren't. AtheistCrusader Jan 2014 #20

They are de facto monopolies..... Swede Atlanta Jan 2014 #21

Ditto. SoapBox Jan 2014 #33

Our Atlanta suburb is even worse Thirties Child Jan 2014 #37

Spot on post. The internet is essential for most Ilsa Jan 2014 #97

They ALL use the SAME backbone. RC Jan 2014 #34

AT&T, Verizon, Level 3, Sprint, Vodafone, CenturyLink... mwooldri Jan 2014 #96

there's a great big world there outside of your grand city.. frylock Jan 2014 #35

Boulevard in San Diego county nadinbrzezinski Jan 2014 #67

what are your choices out there? frylock Jan 2014 #69

The red flag was extended until six o clock this afternoon nadinbrzezinski Jan 2014 #70

really? dozens? magical thyme Jan 2014 #39

At my last apartment... Dopers_Greed Jan 2014 #56

You really should get out of your bubble a tad more nadinbrzezinski Jan 2014 #63

Just a note: Those are charges over and above your Internet access - not instead of. jtuck004 Jan 2014 #89

"the problem with leaving things up to the private sector... if they don't see a profit in it" Beartracks Jan 2014 #106

True, it could be much higher. nt TBF Jan 2014 #6

Are you saying.... yeoman6987 Jan 2014 #31

not really. They charge every penny they can. consistently. robinlynne Jan 2014 #44

Always on the wrong side of the issue, brooklynite. Th1onein Jan 2014 #107

This is perhaps the single most critical issue we face. You want FREEDOM? nt Demo_Chris Jan 2014 #2

I think its high but comes in behind free and fair voting. nm rhett o rick Jan 2014 #100

The internet is knowlege and communication... Demo_Chris Jan 2014 #101

I completely agree but if we cant choose who represents us in the government, rhett o rick Jan 2014 #103

I understand, but without the internet you wouldn't even know who that might be... Demo_Chris Jan 2014 #104

The Net SamKnause Jan 2014 #3

This is an awesome graphic. octoberlib Jan 2014 #4

Likewise -- We all should post it and make it viral Armstead Jan 2014 #15

or they could be more competive warrior1 Jan 2014 #7

Right... and look where gas prices are today. Veilex Jan 2014 #22

Sadly, when you add it all up My Good Babushka Jan 2014 #8

It's an old graphic. Add $10 to each number to get today's pricing. (nt) jeff47 Jan 2014 #18

same here shanti Jan 2014 #52

Could all those companies listed above block access to any company not following Net Neutrality? JCMach1 Jan 2014 #9

Umn, there won't BE any companies following Net neutrality Armstead Jan 2014 #61

It will be used as a selling point... so yeah, some will... this is largely a cable company play JCMach1 Jan 2014 #66

This is an obvious attempt by the 1% plutarchs to prevent access to communication among the 99%, Zorra Jan 2014 #11

I disagree. They just want the freedom to rob us. Armstead Jan 2014 #14

I'd say you're both right. Veilex Jan 2014 #23

Yes. The second is a component of the first. They already have the freedom to rob us; Zorra Jan 2014 #36

Because FREEDOM isn't free... freebrew Jan 2014 #26

Damn straight -- They didn't push this case for the fun of it Armstead Jan 2014 #13

K&R Hugin Jan 2014 #16

I will be saying buh-bye Internet. Nice knowing ya. Fun while it lasted. Tuesday Afternoon Jan 2014 #19

If this happens, I'll be taking to the streets. The internet is too important BarackTheVote Jan 2014 #134

I will not be able to afford the net if the predictions come true. Tuesday Afternoon Jan 2014 #136

Most discussions revolve around charging the content providers, such as Netflix muriel_volestrangler Jan 2014 #24

That is what they are wanting to do. LiberalArkie Jan 2014 #43

Do not pay! oldandhappy Jan 2014 #25

I have a possible scheme Demeter Jan 2014 #53

Thank you. oldandhappy Jan 2014 #83

hmm, not sure, because if every company started trying to pull this quinnox Jan 2014 #27

They are contricted by those that own the OC3 lines. L0oniX Jan 2014 #30

Precisely. jsr Jan 2014 #38

K&R&Bookmarked stevenleser Jan 2014 #28

Wait ...the cable co's who won't go alacart with tv will now go alacart with inet? L0oniX Jan 2014 #29

That isn't a la cart kcr Jan 2014 #42

Backlashes don't matter with the Net now a necessity and if they have the law on their side Armstead Jan 2014 #46

It's the FCC that needs to fix this enlightenment Jan 2014 #32

I blame Bill Clinton for signing away the FCC control over this. L0oniX Jan 2014 #41

Hi L0onix SamKnause Jan 2014 #78

++ fadedrose Jan 2014 #111

they will do this in a HEARTBEAT Locrian Jan 2014 #40

It will end my internet days. Enthusiast Jan 2014 #45

If they wanted us to stop using the internet EC Jan 2014 #47

I'm paying for bandwidth. DU is paying for bandwidth. Google is paying for bandwidth. hunter Jan 2014 #48

Of course there's a reason Fumesucker Jan 2014 #80

Internet Service Providers are so 1990's....this is a good thing....we need change!! cbdo2007 Jan 2014 #49

How many cables do you want on the phone poles? naturallyselected Jan 2014 #59

Frankly, I don't care. However, there won't be more cables. OmahaBlueDog Jan 2014 #65

Maybe naturallyselected Jan 2014 #71

True, but the wireless world serves as a competitor to the wired world OmahaBlueDog Jan 2014 #75

What? Egnever Jan 2014 #87

Google Fiber is available in only 3 cities naturallyselected Jan 2014 #91

It is brand new! Egnever Jan 2014 #92

I'm just looking at the economics naturallyselected Jan 2014 #128

The old "deregulation will breed competition" argument? Ha! That's 90's Snake Oil Armstead Jan 2014 #60

Basically you're fighting to regulate and save a dying industry from 20 years ago. cbdo2007 Jan 2014 #72

Yes. hunter Jan 2014 #73

People have to wake up LiberalLovinLug Jan 2014 #50

Let me give you the flip side - I'd be willing to pay for broadband on this basis IF OmahaBlueDog Jan 2014 #54

The Internet is so much motre than entertainment Armstead Jan 2014 #58

Honestly, for most of us, the internet is not much more than entertainment. OmahaBlueDog Jan 2014 #64

Some of those channels you want are only available because of the bundling naturallyselected Jan 2014 #62

That would close down the internet. JDPriestly Jan 2014 #55

Do you mean? naturallyselected Jan 2014 #57

Won't need that smart phone any longer liberal N proud Jan 2014 #68

There's one class missing dickthegrouch Jan 2014 #76

I can't even remember what 128 kbps looks like. truedelphi Jan 2014 #82

Businesses like squeezing customers, but don't like being squeezed by other businesses Alamuti Lotus Jan 2014 #84

When elephants fight the grass gets trampled -African aphorism Fumesucker Jan 2014 #86

Or people will say fuck you, and find a way around the ISPs that pull this. Warren DeMontague Jan 2014 #85

Tough to do when so much of the radio spectrum is "owned" by big business... hunter Jan 2014 #93

This lawsuit was started when cable was King. People are cutting the cord. MADem Jan 2014 #131

Time for books and newspapers and face-to-face clubs. nt valerief Jan 2014 #88

So what happens to all the other websites.. AsahinaKimi Jan 2014 #90

Here's a link to a cool tool to see where your ctsnowman Jan 2014 #94

That Euro hop? Doesn't exist. mwooldri Jan 2014 #99

15 hops for me to DU Separation Jan 2014 #118

Yea, mine is totally whacked Separation Jan 2014 #116

Change You Can Believe In! blkmusclmachine Jan 2014 #95

Wonder how many bank accounts in the Caymans...... DeSwiss Jan 2014 #98

There was once a time madaboutharry Jan 2014 #102

+1 tofuandbeer Jan 2014 #109

Well you don't have to buy it gerogie2 Jan 2014 #105

Once again, it comes down to the haves and the have-nots. tofuandbeer Jan 2014 #110

They did something similar to our cable davidpdx Jan 2014 #112

I'm wondering if this is going to push Congress to finally deal with Net Neutrality davidpdx Jan 2014 #113

du rec. xchrom Jan 2014 #114

It will be back to my books! WinkyDink Jan 2014 #117

I am dubious that "all you can eat" pricing is good for consumers. I would *save* money under the Romulox Jan 2014 #119

if you give the internet providers to option of bending you over and screwing you--- dembotoz Jan 2014 #121

Too true! mwooldri Jan 2014 #135

K & R Quantess Jan 2014 #123

A better title: "here are some imaginary numbers we made up out of thin air". N.T. Donald Ian Rankin Jan 2014 #125

A "frightening chart" created by "a reddit user." This is pure speculation. MADem Jan 2014 #127

Yes, but ... naturallyselected Jan 2014 #129

It's just a stupid business model, especially in these times. MADem Jan 2014 #130

How will the upstart deliver the Internet? naturallyselected Jan 2014 #132

In real rural ME, satellite internet IS the way to go. Not fast enough---YET, but give some upstart MADem Jan 2014 #133